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October 2018

Hello, I'm Kautilya3. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 13:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Kautilya, I'm sorry to have made that comment. It was certainly uncalled for. But the guy had needlessly accused someone of "chauvinism." That just infuriated me and I let fly. Why does one not accept a fact? Did his opponent ever say that his culture is superior to all other cultures? Why do people have such feelings for a particular community? Isn't it irrational? Why to make such stereotypical, polarizing, and nonsensical comments? I've read similar statements in several other sites. And I think it must stop. Rather than making an unsubstantiated accusation, if he/she had addressed the argument, then I'd not have said such a thing. In a professional discourse, even ad hominems must be considered uncivil, imo, coz it's not just about being civil, but also being rational! - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Noam (talk • contribs)

All kinds of people come and make all kinds of comments. If you want to be a regular editor of Wikipedia, you need to deal with them politely and maturely. In any case, there is no need to respond to years-old posts anyway. It is what is on the main space that matters. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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October 2018

Hello, I'm DannyS712. I noticed that you recently removed content from Maharashtri Prakrit without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. In the future, you can tag unsourced content with {{citation needed}}, and if no citation can be found, and consensus develops to do so, eventually remove the content. DannyS712 (talk) 03:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Vijayanagara empire

I have reverted your revert on this article. Seems like you are a new user and must learn to start a discussion before editing featured articles that have stood the test of time. First of all, you can't use images (of anything) as a citation. That s called "Point of View". Secondly you can't use wiki pages as citation for other wiki articles. That is called "circular reasoning". Yes, Sanskrit was (though to a lesser extent) a language of the court. Many important classics were penned by court poets in addition to Kannada and Telugu. Tamil spoken regions were only a province. I have not come across any book that discusses Tamil being used as a central language of administration. If one were to adopt your argument that 'common languages' implies 'spoken languages', then people could make the argument that Malayalam, Tulu, Marathi (in some minor regions) and Portuguese (in Goa) should also be included. We can't have a growing list of languages making the article messy. This has been the strategy in all India related FA's. Hope you understand this point. Have a good day Sir.Holenarasipura (talk) 13:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please keep in mind that continuous reverting can lead to a block.Holenarasipura (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In my previous edit I had cited a Wikipedia article, not in this one. What do you mean by "articles that have stood the test of time"? You mean any article that has never been edited for a stretch of time, mustn't be edited at all? Wikipedia articles are not Pablo Picasso's paintings. Didn't I clearly state in Hornbill's talk page that Vellore in Tamil Nadu was one of the capitals of Vijayanagara empire? So what if I am a new user? Just stick to the argument. Don't be condescending."Common language" does not necessarily mean "spoken" or "administrative" language. Since Vellore was one of the capitals of Vijayanagara empire the Tamil language was quite widely used in inscriptions, and was patronised by Raja Krishnadeva Raya (for instance, poets such as, Haridasa.) And there are citations attesting the same, in the same Wikipedia article. Furthermore, in the article itself it's been clearly stated that Kannada and Telugu were used as adminstrative languages. So you don't need to only have adminstrative languages in that section too. Secondly, many temples were built by the Vijayanagara empire in Tamil Nadu, where the inscriptions on the walls are in Tamil. Why would you include Marathi, if most of Maharashtra was never ruled by the Vijayanagara empire? Show me one Marathi inscription. If Sanskrit wasn't used as an administrative language remove it. If it was, where's the citation?

The rest of your comments don't merit any response. Honestly I couldn't care less, if I get blocked. Facts is what matters at the end of the day, and they don't change howsoever you try to peddle your monolithic unalterable historical narrative. Wikipedia will just lose it's credibility, at least among sensible Indians, since the "India-related articles'" veracity can never be challenged.

Not need to get worked up. Let me explain how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia only records major facts. All minor facts are to be pushed into sub-sections or even sub-articles. Now let us come to featured articles (FA). When A FA is initially written it goes through, often, months of reviewing for corrections by users who try to help the author improve its factual content to the best they can. This is a fairly time consuming process. Which is why I said "time tested" article. Now coming to Vellore being the capital of the empire, keep in mind that Hampi was the capital from 1342-1565 which is major chunk of its existence. The capital then moved first to Penugonda (Penukonda) and then to Chandragiri for a few decades each, both of which are in Andhra Pradesh. Only in the finals "gasps" of the kingdom (much reduced in size) did it move to Vellore. However, I can assure you that the Aravidu dynasty continued to give primacy to Telugu and Kannada. The Tamil Nayakas who began to assert independence naturally used Tamil inscriptions. I agree that many temple inscriptions in Tamil Nadu over the entire life of the empire/kingdom were in Tamil. But that is not the "Big picture" for the wiki reader. Keep in mind that the empire actively encouraged the Kerala school of Mathematics too. Just because Krishnadevaraya patronized Tamil poet Haridasa it means little from a "birds eye view". Compare that to the numerous (perhaps over 50 each) Kannada and Telugu poets who found patronage in the court. We have to look at major facts, not minor facts. Just to make this point a little more clear, there are no shortage of Kannada inscriptions by the Cholas and Marathas. Yet you will not find that mentioned on those respective articles because that is a minor point. If you were to separately write a subarticle on "Vijayanagara kingdom at Vellore" then perhaps you can include Tamil as a common language. This is the general understanding you need to gain to make positive contribution. Good luck.Holenarasipura (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a encyclopedia which only encourages summary style articles. When the FA was originally created some ten years back, the later capitals did not even figure in the article. As such the history portion also reduces the post 1565 period of the empire to a minimum of a small paragraph and with good reason---not of much significance. I own many of the books that have been referred to in this article (Kamath, Sastri, Chopra etc). The post 1656 period gets very little importance in these books. The duration of rule from various capitals are (approximately): Vijayanagara: 1342-1565, Penukonda:1565-1586, Chandragiri: 1586-1607, From 1607 to 1642 there is some overlap in dates between how long Chandragiri remained the capital and when and Vellore became the capital. Given this data, it makes no sense to give undue importance to later capitals as such. These later additions has only created an opportunity for young users to misconceive its importance and give undue weight-age.Pied Hornbill (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]