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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiBullying

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Titoisti

Meglio che mi esprima in italiano per spiegarmi meglio: su Josip Broz Tito una banda di titoisti pretende di controllare l'articolo affinchè nessuna fonte critica venga riportata! Attualmente due utenze titoiste pretendono di detenere la maggioranza contro altre quattro utenze che vogliono inserire l'avviso di -non neutralità- scatenando guerra editoriale: che dobbiamo fare per eliminare questo problema? Inoltre, nella relativa discussione, l'utente Director riferendosi a me, che avevo citato il termine -titoismo-, ha scritto The term is only used as such in Italy among right-wing loonies: la traduzione letterale di -loonies- è -mentecatti- ossia un insulto! Per questo ennesimo insulto da un utente recidivo con numerosi blocchi in passato, esempio posso rivolgermi a te o devo rivolgermi ad altri affinchè impari l'educazione? Ormai ho capito che è impossibile insegnare a sto tizio la storia quindi è inutile discutere con chi certamente opera su commissione! In discussione ho chiesto perchè hanno rimosso la sezione -Criticism-, ovviamente non hanno risposto. Come faccio a inviarti una email: dove sta il tuo indirizzo telematico?Passando (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

reported case of titoists in ANI Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Manipulated and mystified sources--Passando (talk) 08:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies

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A beer for you!

Hope all is well. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, hello there, HIAB. Thanks for the thought; happy to report all is quite well . Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

want to create a page

Hi I want to create a page for my local business directory in Saudi Arabia called Daleeli. Could you please help me on this ?

Thanks!!

Well, first of all, I have to invite you to familiariase yourself with our guideline on COI editing, which you can find at WP:COI. The point is that while COI editing is not forbidden, it's strongldy discouraged. That said, you can still create the article – and I would help you –, but only if your business directory meets our requirements: to be included as a topic, something has to be notable, which, in wikijargon, means that it must have received significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. If your local business directory does not meet this requirement, it's very probable that an article about it would end up deleted. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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Please recuse

I respectfully ask that you please recuse yourself from the case that has been requested regarding me.

I believe these edits -

  1. 09:40, 1 December 2014 I understand your concerns, but the most reasonable thing to do here, in my opinion, is to apply Occam's razor and conclude it was Lightbreather. (After an editor whom I'd had numerous disputes with advised that he thought I was not the IP whom you blocked me over for evasion.)
  2. 15:23, 13 December 2014 There is no gentle way of saying this, but, put simply, I don't believe her when she says she didn't do it; she has already lied before....
  3. 10:11, 14 December 2014 LB can say whatever she wants to protect her privacy; then again, if she lies, then she can't complain when people no longer consider her trustworthy, which is what happened here.
  4. 15:34, 14 December 2014 Let's recap: she violated the sock puppetry policy by editing logged out to avoid scrutiny, now claiming she was doing it to protect her privacy.... (emphasis mine)
  5. 10:26, 6 February 2015 I could support this only if Lightbreather was also topic banned from administrative noticeboards and restricted from requesting, suggesting, supporting, opposing, or even hinting at the possibility that another editor may be sanctioned, otherwise we are simply encouraging (and rewarding) vexatious litigations and forum shopping.
  6. 19:49, 26 February 2015 Well, Lightbreather *has* edited logged out in the past and, when asked about it, played dumb, so it's hardly unreasonable, under the circumstances, to wonder whether she's doing it again – though, as it turns out, in this case she was innocent. Anyway, regardless of any issues Lightbreather may have had with socking, her behaviour is, IMHO, generally disruptive: I consider her a vexatious litigant and a person who never drops the stick.
  7. 20:25, 26 February 2015 72.223.98.118 (talk) and 69.16.147.185 (talk) (Lightbreather denies having operated the latter, but I didn't believe her and still don't).
  8. 21:11, 26 February 2015 Well, now we can add personal attacks to your list of transgressions.
  9. 21:34, 26 February 2015 Yes, really. I commented on this personal attack because it's the one I saw.
  10. 20:09, 26 April 2015 On second thoughts, it's probably fairer to describe Lightbreather's conduct as a way to harass another editor all the while being able to claim deniability. Either way, I believe a block is necessary. (After recent block for "outing" that was reversed.)

- as well as your comments in our recent email exchange re the last block, make it clear that your ability to judge my behavior is compromised and that in fact you have probably already made up your mind about me. Lightbreather (talk) 05:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

No. Salvio Let's talk about it! 08:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources

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Come butta?

Ti cercavo per una questione giuridichese e ho letto l'avviso sopra...in bocca al lupo, ma non mi far preoccupare! --Vituzzu (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Ehilà, Vito. Io sto bene, a parte il caldo umido e le zanzare, solo che a volte devo sparire per qualche giorno per un piccolo acciacco che mi rende difficile battere a computer e, quindi, avviso che, in tali casi, potrei non rispondere rapidamente. Niente di serio, eh, solo un po' una rottura di balle. E a te, invece, come va? Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Seriamente m'avevi fatto preoccupare, su 'ste cose sono un tipo "abbastanza" ansioso. Io sono stato fuori da wp circa 5 mesi per una serie di impegni e per ricaricare le batterie (qualche scazzo e quello che è successo a Cotton). Comunque mi fa piacere che quando scrivi non manchi un colpo, io su en.wiki continuo a sentirmi abbastanza niubbo invece ^^ --Vituzzu (talk) 20:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Capisco benissimo come ti senti: per me è la stessa cosa su it.wiki... Non conoscendo praticamente nessuno, né le regole specifiche del progetto, le poche volte che edito, ho sempre paura di fare qualche danno. Più seriamente, non sapevo di Cotton. Lo avevo incrociato qua e là, senz'avergli, credo, nemmeno mai parlato, ma mi aveva sempre dato l'impressione d'essere un'ottima persona. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Su it.wiki ti garantisco che ti sblocco pure se metti un bestemmione triplo carpiato in homepage :p (scherzi a parte diciamo che avendo una base d'utenti più ridotta la gestione tende a essere più collegiale e meno automatizzata, si lavora di più ma a mio giudizio c'è una maggior flessibilità)
Cotton (col quale litigavo spesso) è stato una mazzata perché è l'irruzione di una tragedia inenarrabile nell'ambiente ovattato di un hobby virtuale.
Comunque vedi di rimetterti eh! --Vituzzu (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Article titles

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Meghan Chavalier Wikipedia Page

Dear Salvio,

I would like to know why my page was deleted from Wikipedia. I have been in the entertainment industry for 25 years. I am an adult film actress and transgender and believe this is why my page was deleted. I starred in over 200 adult films, more than Jenna Jameson who is also on Wikipedia among other adult film actors and actresses. I have released 6 books and sold over 20 thousand books and have released 3 cd's. I am also the founder of Stopping The Hate which is an organization for the LGBT Community. Just because others who may not know me don't feel I am worthy of a Wikipedia page does not mean that I'm not. I was the first transgender woman to sign a contract in the adult film industry as well as the first to release their autobiography. I am just as notable as any other person in the entertainment industry.

I appreciate your timely response to my request to have my page unblocked and relisted on Wikipedia.

Thank you Sincerely Meghan Chavalier Email: meghanchavalier@gmail.com Website: meghanchavalier.com

Hello Meghan. The article about you was deleted after a discussion open to all members of the community, where the commenters favoured deletion; as such, I can't unilaterally restore the page. That said, this deletion had nothing to do with your gender identity or your profession, but rather was due to the fact that you were not considered "notable" (it's a term of art, please don't take it personally). To be considered notable on Wikipedia, a person must have received significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. Since, when your article was discussed, you appeared not to meet this threshold, the page was deleted. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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Recall hatting

Hey. Before the recall thread was hatted, I was going to suggest that opposing arbs should switch to support due to Chase me's (former) recall criteria being met, but it got edit conflicted. Is it ok for me to post my comment below the hab, as it directly relates to the way arbs are voting on the proposed decision?Bosstopher (talk) 17:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Suppression request

Dear Administrator,

This is regarding a deletion of my username and ip address from the revision history of the page 'M.Kannappan'.I would like to remove my personal details from the revision history page as i didn't realize it would stay there publicly as i had done the edits when i was begginning to use Wiki.

It would be great if you could delete my username and ip address from the revision history due to personal privacy concerns.

Below is the link for the page https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=M._Kannappan&action=history

Many thanks


Kind regards,

Kathi

@Kathiravan 4747:, I have just hidden (suppressed) your IP address; in future, however, you should send an e-mail to the Oversight team, using this form. This guarantees that your request is actioned quickly and also protects your privacy, whereas posts to an oversighter's talk page can be read by anyone. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911

This user is appealing his block, applied by yourself on the basis, according to the block log, of private evidence. I understand fully how this might arise, but of course it makes it difficult for any other admin to deal with the unblock request. Would you feel able to e-mail me with the relevant evidence, given that you cannot yourself deal with the request. I hope that you would feel confident, given my duration of service here, that I could be trusted not to be indiscreet. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 17:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I looked at the unblock request and started to write a review of it, but I think a better option is for Hanibal911 to email arbcom and get them to review the block instead. In terms of behaviour, I don't see any obvious evidence that the original reason for blocking - persistent copyvios of sources - is relevant any more. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
That's a good idea, I was hoping a functionary would see his appeal and contact me, but nobody has so far; so, pointing him in BASC's direction may be the best idea.

@Anthony.bradbury:, I am sorry but (a small) part of the evidence I based my block on cannot be shared with anyone who is not subjected to the Foundation's privacy policy (because it's CU evidence)... Please understand that this is not due to the fact I don't trust you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion review for Francesco Schettino

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

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Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration enforcement

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  1. The case is to be opened forthwith and entitled "Arbitration enforcement";
  2. During the case, no user who has commented about this matter on the AN page, the AE page or the Case Requests page, may take or initiate administrative action involving any of the named parties in this case.
  3. Reports of alleged breaches of (2) are to be made only by email to the Arbitration Committee, via the main contact page.

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Change from announced time table for the Arbitration enforcement arbitration case

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Deletion of Page Naveen Jaihind

This is regarding the deletion of page by the name Naveen Jaihind. A brief summary of Naveen Jaihind's profile is as follows: Naveen Jaihind is an anti-corruption crusader/activist/ politician who has been working with activist/current chief minister of Delhi Arvind Kejriwal since 2009. He was the part of core committee of 25 members of the Janlokpal Movement in 2010 & 2011 which awakened India in its fight against corruption. He contested the 2014 General Elections from the Rohtak Parliamentary constituency. He is also the founding member/ national executive member of Aam Aadmi party.

Various links regarding his profile are as follows: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Rohtak_(Lok_Sabha_constituency) https://www.google.co.in/search?q=Naveen+Jai+hind&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=yISWVfflHZTUuQSF37yQAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667 https://hi-in.facebook.com/naveen.jaihind https://twitter.com/naveenjaihind http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Naveen-Jaihind http://candidates.aamaadmiparty.org/naveen-jaihind.html

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Motion passed in AE arbitration case granting amnesty and rescinding previous temporary injunction

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On 5 July, 2015, the following motion was passed and enacted:

  1. Paragraphs (2) and (3) of the Arbitration Committee's motion of 29 June 2015 about the injunction and reporting breaches of it are hereby rescinded.
  2. The Arbitration Committee hereby declares an amnesty covering:
    1. the original comment made by Eric Corbett on 25 June 2015 and any subsequent related comments made by him up until the enactment of this current motion; and
    2. the subsequent actions related to that comment taken by Black Kite, GorillaWarfare, Reaper Eternal, Kevin Gorman, GregJackP and RGloucester before this case was opened on 29 June 2015.

Aspersions

I'd be happy to provide evidence if the committee would do us the service of OPEN proceedings. I intend on reverting you as your removal was not appropriate. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted and added in a link so you will not be able to say it is casting aspersions without evidence. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
It's still not what I'd call a "personal mission." Would you call it a personal mission if an administrator thinking BLP violations particularly detrimental to the credibility/health of the project, started enforcing the BLP policy?

Incidentally, reverting an arbitrator or a clerk on a case page usually results in sanctions. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:19, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

It was inappropriate being removed in the first place, the fact that it was objected to would give it more creditability that the committee is trying to look out for their own. It isn't uncommon for groups of people to gain a collective feeling of community. It's natural that you (the committee) would want to protect those in your community as a "us vs them" mindset. That was part of the problem, this sanction wasn't because it was needed, it was done by an arb/admin who has strong feelings about that person and subject. Now the committee is doing everything in secrecy and trying to avoid the embarrassment a full accounting of the actions would call for if it was any other admin or editor. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Look, let's be fair, all three admins, in my opinion, did something wrong and all three could have faced sanctions, had we not granted everyone amnesty. Under the circumstances, we could have demanded our pound of flesh, having workshop proposals and evidence submissions concentrating on how everyone was at fault or we could just say, well, "let's let this slide" and concentrate on what's really important here, i.e. clarifying policy, to prevent similar incidents from reoccurring. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying, understanding does not mean agreement with everything but I do understand the viewpoint. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't want people to necessarily agree with me. This was what we thought would be the best forward; it was our opinion and others may certainly disagree. I, however, wanted to clarify that we had our reasons to act the way we did and that they were not nepotistic in nature. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate it at any rate, thanks. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Hannibal911

Deonis2012(Hannibal911) is defying the block on his account by instructing another editor (HCPUNXKID) to do the edits for him,Deonis2012 is insisting on POV the map and want other editors to do it for them,by editing by proxy.Alhanuty (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2015 (UTC) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hanibal911#Re:Syria_map

Want to create Naveen_Jaihind page again

Deletion review for Naveen Jaihind

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Naveen Jaihind. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Want to re-create Naveen_Jaihind page which was closed by you in June 2014 again in proper Wikipedia standards. He is a National Executive member of a party in India, see wiki template https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Template:Aam_Aadmi_Party How can the page be re-opened. Arijit Upadhyay (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

He was a national executive member in 2014, but that was not enough for him to be deemed notable (see WP:BIO and, in particular, WP:POLITICIAN). So, unless you can provide evidence that he has received significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources, the article will remain deleted. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Just a heads up...

Hey, just a heads up... I happened to come across this user when scrolling through my watchlist: User:TheNEWredPenof Doom. Could it be this user? I've seen TheRedPenOfDoom in my watchlist before and didn't think it would be them. I've also notified TheRedPenOfDoom about the new user as well. I know you're the blocking admin for the User:RedPenOfDoom, so that is why I'm letting you know. Corkythehornetfan 08:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, but I'm afraid I can't find any user named "User:TheNEWredPenof Doom." Could I please ask you to check your spelling? Thanks. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, here it is Special:Contributions/TheNEWredPenof Doom. I now realize I put "User:" in the link above when it shouldn't be there! They edited the University of North Dakota article. Corkythehornetfan 09:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
D'oh, I didn't notice the "user:" in the link either... Anyway, I've now blocked the account for impersonation. Thanks for reporting him. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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