--Salman 19:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)Welcome![reply]

Hello, Salman01, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Salam!

I gues you are a Shi'a and new to Wikipedia. Welcome!

We have some ground rules here in Wikipedia, and neutrality is one of them. That means that we cant write (as) or (saw) after our Prophet, as you did in the battle of Khaybar article.

But dont let that intimidate you, every single Shi'a editor is needed!

Here in Wikipedia, every single line is a strugle, a strugle to write something that everybody can agree on, and that take some time to master. I welcome your effort to do that!

If you want to write me something, do it here. And also, take a look at this:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam:The Shia Guild

Your brother in Islam, --Striver 23:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Karbala

The Battle of Karbala article needs to be split into two parts: first, the battle as described by the early historians, and later, by academic historians. Second, the battle as embroidered and mythologized by Shi'a Muslims. Salman, your edits belong in the second section. You are giving only the Shi'a POV. But this is a secular encyclopedia! We can't assert Shi'a belief as fact.

I'll try to go split the article right now. Zora 00:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman, we can't let that list stand. It is full of explicitly Shi'a religious language. If you want to praise those people, make sure that each one had an article, and then we'll give what is known about that person (in NEUTRAL fashion) and then perhaps add a para on the Shi'a view of that person. Look at other encyclopedias, like the Encyclopedia Britannica. Do they have that sort of language? No. It is not encyclopedic. Zora 04:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khalid ibn al-Walid

Salman, why don't you check out Khalid ibn al-Walid and see how they're whitewashing Abu Bakr's enforcer?Timothy Usher 04:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sakina=

Salman, wondering why there is NPOV tag. Also, you should probably state the source of your material -it looks very much like it was only a little changed from the linked website, so you could be accused of plagiarism is you do not state that most material is from this site. (I know it is not 'exact', but in some places, that would be close enough to call it 'copying') WP:CITET is helpful for how to do this. The other thing, it is very hard right now to tell if it is a history or just a story. If you look at some other biographies, Abbas_ibn_Ali for example, and break up your article that way, it will start to look more like biography than story. (that will also help make it look less like the website) Not criticizing; just some hints to help improve the page & prevent someone from jumping on it like is often the case with islamic related things here - I noticed you had asked for some comments/help like this. Bridesmill 20:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Husayn ibn Ali

Salman, you changed the spelling of the name. I think that Husayn is preferred by people working with Arabic, and Hussein by people working with Persian original sources. However, since Husayn was an Arab, it makes sense to use the transliteration from the Arabic. That is the form of the name that is used in the academic sources I consult. Husayn can come first, Hussein can be the alternate. Yes? As long as people can find it.

You were also using emotive and honorific language: calling Husayn "Imam Husssein", Muhammad "Prophet Muhammad", changing "killed" to "martyred", among other changes. That is the language they use in Shi'a religious texts, but it is just not appropriate for a secular encyclopedia that is used by non-Muslims, for the most part, and if by Muslims, generally Sunni Muslims. You shouldn't use language that makes readers feel uncomfortable.

Please read some academic histories of Islam and see how regular historians write. Jonathan Berkey's The Formation of Islam is a good introductory text, with lots of references for further reading. This will also make you a better informed Muslim! Zora 02:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman, there are millions of us who do NOT believe that he was a martyr. You cannot turn the article in Shi'a propaganda. Zora 02:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom case

Hi, if you have any concerns, see here please [1], and participate by submitting your evidence (only), in a civil manner, and in a different section; if you feel appropriate. Thank youZmmz 04:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not me

Salman; I have not touched your Sakina page; check the history and you will see this. I mentioned on the talk page that I didn't think it deserved a copyvio without some discussion first, (read above) and I mentioned to striver that it had been tagged with a copyvio. I'm trying to be helpful, not screw you around - if you read what I wrote and check the history of the page, that should be obvious. You should also note there is a page Sakina bint Husayn, I'm thinking they should probably link ot each other? Bridesmill 23:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, not a prob my man - I know how easy it is to get real torqued when that kind of stuff happens....Bridesmill 03:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sakina bint Hussain

First, please learn how to talk to other people; reserve "bro" for your real-life buddies. Secodnly, please read WP:NPOV before contributing and understand that not every editor and reader is Shi'a. If you wish to insert pious terminology like "bibi" or "martyred", please confine such edits to the "Shi'a views" section. Pecher ^Talk 20:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman; 'killed' includes martyred - like everyone who is martyred is also killed; but not the other way around - easy solution here is to say he was killed, and to say also in the Shi'a section that "Shi'a consider him to be a martyr". It's a value judgement to say his is a martyr - not everyone believes it. But it is also important that people realize that to Shi'a, he is a martyr.Bridesmill 21:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know the difference; but they are related - like being killed, put to death - this happens whether it is for a cause or martyrdom or not. Martyrdom 'adds' to the significance of that death. Either way you are dead - it is just that as a martyr your death means something different and spiritually the reward is different, in that there is diffrent honour and potentially faith involved, and the respect that is due to you by those still living is different. But either way you are dead. And the problem is, as a rule, the people who put you to death don't agree that you are a martyr, and often others who had nothing to do with the conflict don't know or don't agree either. So we can have revert wars forever, or find a way of expressing a truth everyone can agree to - he died, and add the truth that Shi'a agree to - he is shaheed in the eyes of Shi'a. It is not possible to argue that in the eyes of Shi'a he is shaheed - and being able to say that without having to get into a revert war means allowing others to understand Shi'a better. Wiki is about teaching, not forcing people to agree or believe. Let me try something with the text. And I am not Muslim, by the way. Why I am here is, I suppose, a long story. Bridesmill 02:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman; I understand what you are saying - but this causes a revert war that will never stop. Those who are not Shi'a and do not believe he was martyred, can point at the physical body of a martyr and say they are physically, medically dead. Yes, alive spiritually (at least in the eyes of Shi'a) and therefore not 'totally' dead - but there is still a physically medically dead body left behind. Therefore to say they are not dead may be correct in the spiritual sense, but physically, medically is just not accurate. You cannot force others to believe everything you believe - this is what causes conflicts. You can only say what is universal - in this case, there is a medically dead body that meets the physical prerequisites for a doctor to declare them 'dead' and someone to collect the insurance. Then you can say that you believe them to be martyr and therefore have a different status. But there must be a common ground that can be found.Bridesmill 17:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; Salman - but within the piece it must still refer to every piece of Shi'a belief as 'According to Shi'a' or something of that nature. To say 'this is the way it is' only invites disbelief, and people perceiving that it is all nothing but propaganda - WP is about teaching and explaining, it is not about 'the Shi'a way or the highway' - if people want that there are many websites they can go to; what is here must be presented ina balanced and neutral way - not denying your belief, but allowing others to learn rather than be forced to agree. The problem is, there are others who are martyrs to their people - and when they put up an article and say 'so-and-so was martyred', the only argument there can be is a bunch of people saying 'my guy was martyred, yours was killed' 'prove it' 'it is so' 'says who?' 'my imam/priest/rabbi, this hadith or that hadith' 'ah, but ours is right and yours is wrong'. There is no conclusion to that - one can only explain a belief, not just say 'it is so and if you don't like it go away' As long as people talk and discuss, I am certain that a way can be found without needing to betray any belief (I just tried another version - have a look and say what you think). I thank you for discussing these things; Salaam, Bridesmill 22:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman, I am not arguing with what the Holy Quran says, and I have read Baqarah more than a few times; but this is spiritual - not physical. have you seen a martyr? Believe me, they have every physical attribute of any other dead body. So unless you know how they died, and agree that they died defending truth, only Allah can determine if they are a martyr or someone who is just killed. There is no disrespect in using the terms 'killed' and 'dead' as long as the acknowledgement is made that this person is considered a martyr (look at Martyr here, or [[2]]). Perhaps the Martyr piece needs to be expanded a little to explain better the Musilm understanding, and wikilink the word 'martyr' on the Sakina page so that people will go and learn. I am confused that you want to push a very not WP:NPOV and not WP:V here - you say 'Every Shi'a', or 'Every Muslim', but this is not the encyclopedia for Muslims - it is for everybody. So if as a devout Muslim you want others to understand Islam, here is the place to do it in a scholarly way, not just to say 'this is the way it is and if you don't like it, tough' - that only angers people and does not convince anyone of what Islam really means.Bridesmill 17:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shahrbanu

All three quotes said that the story of Shahrbanu was a LEGEND. As in myth. As in "NOT TRUE." You aren't reading well, Salman. The existence of Shahrbanu is also not demonstrated, but I'm going to have to find that Iranica article again. They use a strange spelling. That article said that early texts do not mention this woman, and that she is an invention of later ages. Zora 18:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, found it. You have to go to the main page of Iranica and type Shahrbanu into the search box. Then you get the article on ˆAHRBAÚNU. The article says:

Genesis and development of the legend of ˆahrba@nu. According to the oldest sources that have come down to us, the historic mother of the fourth Imam was not much of a princess. Ebn Sa¿d (d. 844-45) and Ebn Qotayba (d. 889) describe her as a slave, originally from Sindh, called GÚaza@la and/or Sola@fa (Ebn Sa¿d V, p. 211; Ebn Qotayba, pp. 214-15). Neither do any of the scholars of ancient history that have chronicled, at times with great attention to detail, the invasion of Persia by Muslim troops and the fate of the last Sasanian sovereign and her family, establish any relationship between the wife of Imam Háosayn and one of the daughters of Yazdgerd III (Bala@dòori 1866, pp. 262 ff.; idem 1974, pp. 102-103 and 146; Táabari I, 1879-1901, p. 2887 = Táabari IV 1960, p. 302; Ebn ¿Abd Rabbeh III, pp. 103 ff.). The same is true for a wide range of sources and authors quite different from each other, such as Keta@b al-k¨araj by the Hanafite judge Abu Yusof (d. 798) and the ˆa@h-na@ma of the pro-Shi¿ite Ferdowsi (q.v., d. 1019) both of whom, though surely for very different reasons, took an interest in the destiny of the last king of Sasanian Persia and his descendants (Abu Yusof, p. 30; Ferdowsi IX, pp. 358 ff.).

In his al-Ka@mel, the philologist Mobarrad (d. 900) seems to have been one of the very first to state that Sola@fa, the mother of ¿Ali Zayn al-¿AÚbedin, was the daughter of Yazdgerd. He strongly emphasises the nobility of the woman and, in general, the grandeur of the Persians (Mobarrad II, pp. 645-66). However, his contemporary, Abu Háanifa Dinavari (d. ca. 895) only casts the daughter of "Kesra@" as a captive in the presence of ¿Ali, during his caliphate (656-61), refusing the latter's offer to marry his elder son Háasan. The account does not even mention Imam Háosayn. ¿Ali thus liberates the princess, granting her total freedom (Dinavari, p. 163). The nobility and pride of the Persian princess as well as her complicity with ¿Ali are henceforth to become quite regular themes of the account in its different versions as it develops. During the same period, the chronicler Ya¿qubi (d. 904) and the heresiographers Háasan b. Musa@ Nowbakòti and Sa¿d b. ¿Abd-Alla@h (both d. ca. 912-13) are among the first Shi¿ites to allude in passing to the fact that the mother of Imam Zayn al-¿AÚbedin was the daughter of the last Sasanian king (Ya¿qubi II, pp. 246-47 and 303; Nowbakòti, p. 53; Aæ¿ari, p. 70). In the second half of the 9th century, Sáaffa@r Qomi (d. 902-903) delivers a long and detailed version of the account, containing especially striking details, in the form of a Hadith or saying attributed to the fifth Imam Moháammad Ba@qer: under the second caliph 'Omar (r. 634-44), the daughter of the last Sasanian king is brought captive to Medina. Light radiating from the visage of the princess illuminates the Prophet's mosque where the caliph presides. An invocation in Persian by the Princess provokes the ruler's temper. ¿Ali intervenes in favour of the young princess and makes it clear to 'Omar that events unfolding are beyond his understanding and that he should step aside. ¿Ali then authorises the princess, with whom he speaks in Persian, to freely choose her husband. The chosen one is Háosayn to whom ¿Ali announces the good news that the young woman will be the mother of his child, i.e. the next Imam (Sáaffa@r, p. 335, no. 8). Sáaffa@r's account contains some noteworthy details: it is the first time that the account is presented in the form of an Imam's Hadith, thus rendering it a sacred quality. It will subsequently become the first account in which the Persian princess is called ˆahrba@nu (and also Jaha@næa@h, literally, "king of the world").

Salman, that's an Iranian scholar showing clearly how the myth developed.

We don't have to present that as the TRUTH; we can say that Shi'a believe differently. But it is very clear, from that article and from the cites I gave, that academics regard Shahrbanu as a legend and not a fact. Please stop trying erase that POV. Zora 19:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i know

It can be quite enervating to edit here, and some appreciation is always needed. But just be patient, i think you are doing a good job and will probably become much better. That is the good thing with wikipedia, you allways learn more about what you are editing, and you also become a better editor! I was a really horrible editor in the beginingg, i coul'nt spell and i didn't know the rules. You are having a much better start than i had :) Peace! --Striver 23:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salman, regarding Umm-e-Salama. When a article of that lenght with that many contributors exist, most people prefere it to be moved after a consensus for doing so is achieved in its talk pagem, and not simply redirecting. Redirecting makes the article history go away, and that is bad. Also, it is my experience that one needs to heavily re-write texts in order to avoid somone comlplaining about copyvio, even if they are not. Thirdly and lastly, i try to make the "See also" sections a bit more denomination-neutral. I hope it helps, peace! --Striver 08:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Mistake

Salam. I'm a Shiite and I guess there is a big mistake in Fatima Zahra. There is written "According to Shi'a Muslims, Fatima Zahra binte Mohammed was Islamic Prophet Muhammad's only daughter" . I looked for a reference for it, but I can't find anything in Persian document. Please correct it.--Sa.vakilian 10:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear my friend, I live in Iran and most of us are shiite. I told you that I looked for it in persian documents which are written by shiite but I can't find any reliable refrence. If you could read Persian I whould put their linls here. --Sa.vakilian 02:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll ask from Rasool Jafarian and tell you the result.--Sa.vakilian 10:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salam!

Salman, is "binte" really a better tranliteration than "bint"? If yes, why? --Striver 11:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salam bro :) Yes, you where right! I asked my father, and he supported what you said. I just learned a bit more Arabic grammar :) --Striver 19:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Talib

Salman, reagarding this, dont you agree that it is better to use "-" instead of " " in names, that is "Abu-Talib" rather than "Abu Talib", so that non-enlish people better see that it is a single name? --Striver 15:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, i hope you are in the best health as well!. Well, regarding the name, i argue that it is better to try to focus on "x ibn y". When someone has a first name that goes "a b c ibn x y z", its makes it harder. For example, "Abd al Mutalib ibn Abd al Uzzah". Its very hard for a westerner to get that. Its beter to have that as "a-b-c ibn z-y-z", as in "Abd-al-Mutalib ibn Abd-al-Uzzah". Its still the correct tranliteration, but it makes it easier to read for western eyes. Peace. --Striver 20:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you corrected me with regards to "binte" being more correct, and im greatfull to you for that, but unfortunatly, i dont agree with you on this issue. Lets just Agree to disagree. Peace.--Striver 22:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Mu'tah

Please stop marking your wholesale reversions as minor when they are not and please stop reverting to your change when consensus is clearly against you. If you want to change the consensus, talk. I noticed you barely sneaked by violating 3RR by 15 minutes. This is not a productive way to edit. - Merzbow 00:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as "sneaking by" 3RR. Your 4 reversions within 24.25 hours [3] [4] [5] [6] is a WP:3RR violation and constitutes edit warring

Since you may not have realized this was not allowed, I am going to issue an ultra-short block of 1 hour instead of the usual 24 hours, so you get the picture (perhaps by the time you see this it's already past). Please make changes by consensus rather than by attrition. Also, don't remove this message. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-07-06 08:52Z

If you think that you are doing you job, then my brother think again cuz u r not. Check out this article’s history page [7] and tell me what do you think about our friend Aminz, Merzbow, N-edits, Politicallyincorrectliberal, and His excellency. Shouldn’t they be blocked for 1 hour like me? You know something man, you and another administrator friend of yours are have made me feel like I have wasted my time whenever I was editing at wikipedia. But then again the pages that I was editing was pages of Islam and highly respected Muslims in the history of Islam and I will keep on writing what true Islam, no matter how many administrators come and criticize me and my work. Because after see that page [8] (and I am sure that there are other wikipedians that that edit the same page more then three times a day) I have noticed that you guys don’t do your job properly. Your job supposed to help out wikipedians and edit articles professionally. Later--Salman 19:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I looked over the history of article Criticism of Islam, but didn't see any 3RR violations - I must have overlooked it. Can you provide links to 4 diffs like I did above? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-07-07 23:38Z

Quarl to be honest i don't know now to provide the link to 3RR violations. What i did was i went to the article's history and there i am sure you will see the names. Thank you--Salman 23:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the edit history but wasn't sure which edits you were referring to as 4 reversions within 24 hours (or so). Could you copy and paste the diffs from the contribution history? Or if it was a mistake, just let me know in the future if anybody violates WP:3RR. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-07-08 07:28Z

Merzbow

Your continued removal of the above warning constitutes vandalism:

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

- Merzbow 22:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t understand this. The only time you guys listened to what I was saying was when I started getting other Muslims editors involved in the battle of Mu’tah. Before that there used to be number of Casualties “Unknown, but heavy”, that’s what was written under the Muslims military sections, right (if you forgot you can check it by going into the history of the article). The first few times when I spoke about this issue other editors ignored me and this didn’t happen only once it happen many times but then I decided I gotta get more Muslims to get involved in this article. Thank you--Salman 22:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deliberately going out and asking people with a certain POV to get involved in an article isn't acceptable, as WP:SPAM makes clear: "Don't attempt to sway consensus by encouraging participation in a discussion by people that you already know have a certain point of view." - Merzbow 04:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)][reply]

POVs, what POVs r u talking about Merzbow? Just for the sake of being neutral I don't say SAW after the name of Islamic Prophet Hazrat Mohammed SAW, in articles. Just to state the Muslim side of the story me and my Muslims brothers and sisters don't even say SAW and AS after the names of respected individuals in the history of Islamic. Each and every single article that I have edited or written on wikipedia, every single time I tried my best to be as clear and neutral as possible. I don’t know what POV you r talking about. I was even blamed for copying an article from another website and when I started talking about the issue the person that blamed was an administrator and just to stop me from cleaning myself from that accusation he blocked me from editing at wikipedia, while he was saying some false things about me and my editing. Thank you Salman

Honestly Salman I don't want to give you a hard time, but you have to stick to policy like we all do. When somebody warns you that you're doing something against policy, instead of immediately getting defensive and continuing to do what you were warned for, please listen to what they are saying and double-check what they are saying with the policy itself. Then if you disagree, say so. We've all fallen afoul of some policy at some time and most have been warned, it's not a big deal. Merzbow 21:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Policy, what policy r u talking about man? I saw your edits in the article of Criticism of Islam [9], you edited more then three times (violating 3RR policy). Now when I edited an article more then three times Quarl blocked me from editing for hours. Now I am not picking on you there were many wikipedians that edited more then three times in that article on the same day and hour. I want to find out how come your guys were not warned and blocked from editing, unlike me. Trust me man, whatever I do I believe it is the right thing to do. Forget about warning me, can you please answer my question, If you think that you are doing you job, then my brother think again cuz u r not. Check out this article’s history page [10] and tell me what do you think about our friend Aminz, Merzbow, N-edits, Politicallyincorrectliberal, and His excellency. Shouldn’t they be blocked for 1 hour like me? You know something man, you and another administrator friend of yours are have made me feel like I have wasted my time whenever I was editing at wikipedia. But then again the pages that I was editing was pages of Islam and highly respected Muslims in the history of Islam and I will keep on writing what true Islam, no matter how many administrators come and criticize me and my work. Because after see that page [11] (and I am sure that there are other wikipedians that that edit the same page more then three times a day) I have noticed that you guys don’t do your job properly. Your job supposed to help out wikipedians and edit articles professionally. If you cann't solve this problem of mine then no problem i will contact real people of wikipedia myself. Later--Salman 22:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You must be joking. 3RR is about REVERSIONS, not EDITS. Anyways, go ahead and contact the 'real people', and please do tell me what they say. - Merzbow 22:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the mistake I made in my previous paragraph. But anyway you also changed the article more then three times along with other wikipedians on the article I mentioned above. And I wasn’t reverting the Battle of Mu’tah also; I was adding what was being deleted by other wikipedians and when I did it the fourth time then Quarl blocked me from editing at wikipedia.--Salman 22:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove messages

Hi Salman01, please stop removing posts from others. To avoid the appearance of trying to hide bad stuff, it is more proper to archive old posts instead of deleting them. (If you remove them, they're still visible in the history, and it just looks like you're trying to be sneaky.) I would appreciate it if you re-instate the old posts you've deleted either back into this talk page or into an archive page linked from this talk page. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-07-06 22:07Z

My friend Quarl, I have said it many times that I like to keep my talk page as short as possible. The only things I want on my talk page are things that I am currently working on or debating on. I don’t want to have big talk page to impress other editors by showing them that I am very active at wikipedia. Please try to understand the reason why I like to keep my talk page as short as possible. I don’t only delete bad comments; I have deleted good comments because I was done with the issue being discussed in those comments. Thank You Salman

On Merzbow

On WP:ANI I filed a notice on Merzbow using baseless warnings and warning templates to intimidate editors with whom he has problems with. I'm mentioning your case as precedent. If you would like to comment, I suggest you respond to the ANI. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Abuse_of_Warning_Templates_By_Merzbow His Excellency... 01:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am with you my brother His Excellency.... He is messing up my concentration by saying that if i delete anymore comments he is going to block me from editing. I mean His Excellency... i told him so many times the reason why i want to keep my talk page short, but he doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand. Thank You--Salman 02:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Block

Salman, you once again moved a large number of articles without discussion. Well, you tried a very little on Talk:Abu Talib ibn 'Abdul Muttalib but when you were disagreed with you made the moves anyway. Wikipedia works by consensus and you have just created a lot of work because you think you are right. Both transliterations are used by various people. We should find out which is more scholarly and use it. I don't know that but citing that "people in New York" would use what you use does not help at all. Try what the Encyclopedia of Islam uses... but don't just make the moves when you are not agreed with. gren グレン 16:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Man we were done with that discussion, there was a time when striver stopped replying and i thought that he liked my idea. I didn't went to pages and started moving them. I discussed with this issue with striver and when he stopped replying then i started moving pages. See the talk page of Abu Talib ibn 'Abdul Muttalib. And the reply he just gave to my comments, he just posted it right now, he just wrote it right now and now just because of your stupidity I cannot even reply his comment. Thank you--Salman 20:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a good idea to call teh blocking admin derogatory names. Blnguyen | rant-line 01:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shi'a

Salman, besides my book-learning on these things, one of my my human teachers on this was Dr. Farhang Rajaee, from Iran, who currently teaches at Carleton University in Ottawa.Bridesmill 16:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool man, it's pretty interesting to know that i am working with a person who learned from a professor like Farhang Rajaee. Thank You--Salman 19:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Cricket

Do you want to join the project? Thank you. Gizza^Chat ^© 12:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket is my life. I would even give up the sexiest girl in this world for cricket. What is the cricket project is going to be about? I am currently blocked from editing (just a misunderstanding). So can you please enter my name in the list? Thank you for you offer!--Salman 13:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added you. I said you support Pakistan, which I assume. Please change it if you don't. If you do support Pakistan, you will be the first on the project, welcome! Gizza^Chat ^© 04:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please help!

Would you please help in writing this article ? Thanks.--Welondekaw 11:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure why not brother but first let me gather some information about the topics. Thank You--Salman 14:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

please note Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2006_Middle_East_Crisis.Bridesmill 18:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

's ok - I think we are well on the way to an excellent article here with Fatimah.Bridesmill 22:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fatimah pics

Salman; I can smell where this is going....to pre-empt this, do you know of anyone in the islamic community who would be willing to provide a copyright-free image either on that theme or of some of a Ya-Fatimah calligraphy? If this article is ever to be GA or FA, it would need those pics to be copyright free anyways. I can find many of jewellery that has Ya-Fatimah calligraphy or Khamsa, but we already have one of those. Perhaps you could emnail one of the artists - some would be honoured to have their art here. (I got the pics on Louis le Brocquy that way). Bridesmill 01:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are these pics copyright-free? if so, excellent, send away - ron at bridesmill.com.Bridesmill 01:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a website not your e-mail address, i don't know where i have to send those pic.--Salman 01:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lebanese

salam

We help Lebanese with improvement articles in English WP like

[12] [13] [14]

Please gather us .

و فضل الله المجاهدین علی القاعدین اجرا عظیما--Sa.vakilian 18:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure why not. Thank You--Salman 22:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Did it. Thank you for telling me. --Salman 00:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Did it. Thank you for telling me.--Salman 22:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

vote for save wikiproject:Shia

salam. How are you my dear friend.

Please come and vote [Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam:The Shia Guild]. thanks a lot --Sa.vakilian 05:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abbas ibn Ali

Salaams bro. You're needed to add citations to the Abbas ibn Ali page. Without them, the article doesn't look credible. --aliasad 19:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You for telling me brother because there are some editors that don't tell and delete the whole article because of a small things or mistake, I am going to work on it as soon as possible. Thank You--Salman 15:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. The source you cited doesn't have all the things you wrote about, for example, the 'why abbas is known as ghaazi' section. Unfortunately you cite a Shia source which people may not consider neutral. We may have to preface each section with 'Shia tradition says...' or something like that. I'll address some other issues about the article at the talk page. --aliasad 04:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am still working on it brother.--Salman 13:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulation

salam

I congratulate you 13th Rajab, The Birthday of Amiralmomenin, and the begining of Ayyamolbiz.[15], [16]--Sa.vakilian 20:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to congratulate (for the birthday of Ameer Al-Momeneen) you and other Muslims brothers and sisters that are working day and night to make sure that the Muslim and Islamic ideas are well presented at wikipedia.--Salman 01:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A problem

Salam

Please look at Imam Ali article. There isn't any link to the reffrences in the body of article. Whould you please help me to add some links about Shia Isias.--Sa.vakilian 01:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Sa.vakilian, I add some references and citations to the section that talks about the grave of Imam Ali (AS), “Grave of Ali ibn Abu Talib”. You can go back to the article. Thank you for allowing me to take part in this project. --Salman 02:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hadith

Hi Salman,

I came across this page, which has a database of Hadiths. I suggest using this as a source for Hadiths. It seems reputable because it is maintained by USC, an established University, and it provides references with each hadith as to where it's published, and who it is narrated by.

If you already know of a Hadith, you can use their search engine and add a link as a reference. Cuñado - Talk 00:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Barnstar Award

Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim ^1m 03:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibooks

Hello! Can you contribute to the Urdu Wikibook (in Wikibooks) Please?

Thanks and Successfully!!!

Bint

I've reverted Binte to Bint. I found no discussion as to your reasons for moving it, and you had marked it a minor edit. I would have to defer to you for Arabic transliteration, so if you still consider Binte more correct, even though that would go against what I can see as a consensus of usage in the English term, and also in references in Wiktionary and on the web. Please discuss on the talk page.Widefox 15:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shia wikipriject

We want to improve Shi'a wikiproject. Please come and help us with it and tell us your viewpoint .--Sa.vakilian 05:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

Hello, I was writing an entry on Serbian Wikipedia about Urdu language. I am having hard time finding interesting pictures with everyday object that have Urdu script on them. If you would happen to have any magazines or daily newspapers or chocolate wrappers or CDs from Pakistan, with Urdu on them, could you take a photo of them and either post it on Wiki commons or take the photo and release rights into public domain? I would really appreciated it!

this is the link to Serbian Urdu page Urdu. It is in Serbian, so you may not understand it, but you can see photos I have there now.

Thank you again.

Honorifics

Please refrain from either linking or referring to Muhammad as a prophet as this violates Wikipedia's policies on honorifics. Also, please cite your sources for the text you have added. ^KazakhPol 21:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well KazakhPol, I am familiar with that. That’s why I always say “Islamic Prophet Muhammad” (S.A.W.), I never wrote Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.), in any of my articles I wrote so far, even though I know it’s bad. If you do not consider Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.) a prophet of ALLAH (S.W.T.), I don’t mind it. But Muslims do consider Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.) a prophet and because of that I am allowed to write “Islamic Prophet Mohammad” (S.A.W.), whenever I am writing about my Prophet (S.A.W.). Thank You Salman 01:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ismailis recognize Husayn as the second Imam

The Ismailis say that Hasan was a Pir, but Husayn succeeded to the imamate. [17]. Please revert your edit. Zora 01:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Academics classify Ismailis as a Shi'a sect. They are Shi'a, whether or not you accept them as such. You do not have the authority to tell WP who is Shi'a and who isn't. I revert your changes again and if you persist, will take whatever steps necessary to protect WP. Zora 20:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Zora is write. Whoever believes in Imamat idea and Ali and his sons(A.S.) as successor of holy prophet(P.B.U.H) is Shia.--Sa.vakilian 05:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Karbala

Would you bring the "Infobox Military Conflict" back to the article again? Farhoudk 08:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No need. Sorry. Your idea is better. Farhoudk 08:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Surveillance

Salam alaykum. Striver is off and I'm active in other articles. Can you please work as a surveillant of Shia high priority articles like articles about Imams.--Sa.vakilian 05:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fatima binte Hizam

I see you have a history of working on the article Fatima binte Hizam. I am looking at it from the project Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles where it is one of the longest {{unreferenced}} tagged articles that does not meet at least the barest minimum of verifiability. It has been tagged and completely without references since June 2006. It would be extremely helpful if you had some references you could add to the article to help support its verifiability and notability. Thanks for any help you can give. Jeepday (talk) 14:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad

No, the images should not be removed, as we are not censored. Jmlk 1 7 01:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good News!

Good News! Western Panjabi Wikipedia has been created on August 12, 2009.

Salaam

Salaam salman, are you still active in Wikipedia? Can you please send me an email.--Aliwiki (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Featured picture candidates - Ali_Sistani

Sa, Seeing that you have been active in Islamic articles, i thought you may have an opinion on a photo i recently nominated for Featured picture. Take a look at [[18]] and Support if you feel it meets the featured picture criteria.hasin 19:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hasin Shakur (talk • contribs)

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Title correction

Salam,

Thank you for your contributions. But may you please change the title of the wiki page from Meesam Tammar to Maythem Al-Tammar. His name was not Meesam it was Maythem (proper arabic). And Tammar was not his last name it was a title "Al-Tammar" which means the date seller or the plan tree. Because in his life Maythem use to sell dates to make a living. Thank you. And once again thank you for you contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zabranos (talk • contribs) 05:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Loves Monuments - Pakistan

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