User talk:Sakonal

Hi!

Do you have any education on Arya and Iranian languages? I'm very interested in this area. I speak Zazaki, English and Turkish and curently taking cources on Avestan and Old Persian in my school. Thanks. --Daraheni (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you are really lacking some grammar aspects of Arya languages. The "t"s at the end of verbs are past participle. They are not part of word stems. For example: ker->kerd (do), vac -> vat (say), poc -> pot (cock). This is also in English as -ed (reads like "it") past participle.

Also Bilind shows a nice development of z to d. What is the title of Ludwig's article? Daraheni (talk) 17:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly they are not Aryan languages but Iranian languages.

Secondly, Iranian languages (unlike as in your Turkic languages), do have a so called past stem, (in adition to present stem). some of the end stems end with either xt or ft. in many modern Iranian languages, (except for some such as Persian), these have changed to t or (w)t. for example:

Persian suxt, Kurdish suta,

Persian goft, Kurdish got/wut,

Persian poxt, Kurdish (Kurmanji) pat.

As you see Persian keeps the original, while others change it. Among those who change it Zazaki and Kurdish change xt to t and ft to wt.

Also these innovation is recent as both Middle Persian and Parthian had kept ft and xt.

Sakonal (talk) 17:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bilind ONLY shows rz to l. IT has absolutely nothing to do with z>d. in short it is b-rz-nt => b-l-nd

Ludwigs article's name is Kurdish language. Sakonal (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it will be unfair to conclude that Persian has remained Purer rather than Kurdish (Kirmanci Kurdish). First, your comparison is simply fallacious since Persian "goftan" is not a cognate of Kurdish "wetin/wotin/wutin/gotin/gutin". The Persian verb comes from Old Persian "gauba-" (present stem "gu-") while the Kurdish one (present stem "wej-" or "bej-") is akin to Avestan "vat-" and Parthian "waxt-". Modern Persian has entirely lost the Avestan root. Also this "gauba-" is borrowed by Caspian languages such as Gilaki and Mazeruni "gunin, be(g)otin" (present stems "gu-" and "gy"). I dont prefer to brand langauges regarding to if they have retained exactly the original form of a word or not. I rather to call it "linguistic conservativeness" and indeed Kirmanci Kurdish is more conservative rather than Persian. Kak Language

Doroud Baradar; I also appreciate your participation in the Zazaki Language page; you know it's sometimes hard to deal with malignants who attempt to tear up Iranian people all the time! Baa aarezuye shadkamiyo behruzi baraaye to.--Kak_Language 09:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC) Kak Language Tua Parola