User talk:Rytshen

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Speedy deletion nomination of Gay Asian & Pacific Islander Men of New York

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A tag has been placed on Gay Asian & Pacific Islander Men of New York, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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I'd like to write up a new page about Gay Asian & Pacific Islander Men of New York but clearly I'd need to learn the ropes about contributing to wiki first and learning how to annotate and format. How do I create a sub page to first temporarily save and test my content? Rytshen (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You can create one at Gay Asian and Pacific Islander Men of New York.--Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite)^{i've made a huge mess} 01:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c) As to the mechanics, you simply create a subpage in your userspace, by typing your username, followed by the forward slash and the name. For example User:Rytshen/Gay Asian & Pacific Islander Men of New York. When you are ready to submit a draft article for review, you would add and save at the top {{Subst:Submit}}. However, most crucially, the draft above that was properly deleted under CSD G11 as blatant advertising (see the neutral point of view policy, WP:PROMOTION WP:PEACOCK WP:SPAM etc.), was actually a much worse violation, as it illegally infringed on the non-free copyrighted text found at GAPIMNY's website. You must not do that again. As we often tell people: "You may use external websites and other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words." To be clear, you can use a a few short quotes under fair use, but marked as such with quotation marks attributed with in-text attribution and cited at the end of the quote with an inline citation to the source of the quotation.

The second thing you need to understand is that articles must be based on and cite to independent, reliable, secondary sources. Most people go about writing articles backwards. They write what they know, then try to back into sources later, when they realize the article must be sourced. It is less than ideal and rarely works well. The best path to writing a proper article—one that will "stick" and starts on the right foot—is to look for and gather such proper sources first, if they exist. Digest them, and then let what they say guide your writing hand (without copying their words), rather than writing what you know and then trying to find sources for it. Of course. this also tells you whether an article is even warranted. If there aren't sufficient reliable, secondary, independent sources upon which a verifiable article can be based to show the topic is notable, no sustainable article can be made.

In that regard, use Google Books (1) (2) and Google News (1) to your advantage, as they concentrate reliable sources. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I am trying to understand how I might improve this article's number of secondary or tertiary sources. I believe I have quoted quite a few secondary sources, but it is still tagged as having too many primary sources. Am I not understanding what a secondary source is?

A secondary source is a collection of the information in primary sources. --Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite)^{i've made a huge mess} 04:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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How does an article get tagged as not having enough secondary sources? Can I contest the tag? Rytshen (talk) 04:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For an understanding of primary and secondary sources, see Identifying and using primary and secondary sources. You will have to write a new article that does not have blatant advertising, what you wrote previously is not viable and constitutes spam. GoldenPeacock (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]