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Any reason why the featured portals listing exist at Portal:Featured portals rather than at Wikipedia:Featured portals, where it is meant to be? All the other featured content pages are listed in the Wikipedia: namespace, and just because this one lists portals doesn't mean it itself should be in the Portal: namespace. If you have any reasoning for your page move, I'd like to hear them, before I consider moving the page back to its original, and IMO better title. Cheers, Spebi 03:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article WebML, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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[Show] and [Hide] in templates

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Hi. I asked at the Help Desk if there is a way I can make all the templates with a [Show] or [Hide] tag automatically be set so they are automatically/permanently showing? I tried looking in the prefs, but didn't notice it.

TheDJ suggested I contact you, that since you created the code, you might also have a workaround that I could put in my monobook.js perhaps. Thanks -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 06:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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TfD nomination of Template:Bigunicode

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It's sourced

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Dear editor Ruud Koot, there should should be a clarification as to who most of these non-Arabs were, the sentence you are removing is sourced and has been on the article for as long as I remember, so please do not remove it without a consensus. Besides re-adding the sourced sentence, I did not undo any of your changes.--CreazySuit (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to answer. A compromise rewording might be worthwhile, which would reflect the fact that most of these non-Arabs were Persians in a shorter and more neutral manner. Do you have any suggestions? --CreazySuit (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Collapsible tables

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Hi, I'm trying to enable collapsible tables on sr.wiki, but I have some difficulties. I was wondering if you could help me. I copy/pasted the collapsible tables code from Common.js, here, but it still doesn't work. Could you tell me what else must I do? Thanks in advance :) -- Obradović Goran (talk 12:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And another issue. There is a problem with the collapsible table in Template:Canon_DSLR_cameras, creating an IE javascript error when the template is used in for example Canon EOS. Taka (talk) 17:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help me, too! - Collapsible tables

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I guess I don't get what needs to be done. I want collapsible tables on my wiki, but I don't understand where I'm supposed to add this code. Can you help? Thanks. Timneu22 (talk) 22:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been discussing my problems here. Thanks Timneu22 (talk) 12:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Arabic names

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I have placed a 'last call' for input on the fate of Wikipedia:WikiProject Arabic names at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world#WikiProject Arabic names which you might consider responding to as one of the two participants of the WikiProject in question. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

need your help on fa wiki

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dear ruud koot i need your help on colapsible table.first look at our monobook?i have checked every thing and every thing seems to be right but we lost show and hide feature in templates.chek this for example?what shoud i do ?--mardetanha(/\/\ ()[-]$[- /\/) (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


if you came check here as wel!!thanks --mardetanha(/\/\ ()[-]$[- /\/) (talk) 02:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Carl Hewitt

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Is it possible for the article on Carl Hewitt to be unprotected now, the last discussion on it was over 6 months ago and there appears to be no more need for full protectionSilent52 (talk) 19:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

help with :ta:MediaWiki:Common.js

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Dear Ruud Koot, I am an administrator at Tamil Wikipedia (http://ta.wikipedia.org). When I wanted to update ta:MediaWiki:Common.js I found a section of code called "Tooltips and access keys" maintained by you and othe two users. However I did not find the same section of code it in the English version of the Common.js. Is this code not compusury or it is already taken into mediawiki itself? Shed me some light on this matter please. --Terrance (talk) 02:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ruud seems to be on vacation lately, so I'll answer this one. This code is outdated and should simply be removed. The tooltips and accesskeys are now defined by MediaWiki system messages. Look at MediaWiki:Sidebar, for example for "Main Page" item you see the word "mainpage", this means that tooltip is expected to be at MediaWiki:Tooltip-n-mainpage and accesskey (if needed) is expected to be at MediaWiki:Accesskey-n-mainpage. If you care about other languages, also create corresponding subpages like MediaWiki:Tooltip-n-mainpage/en. —AlexSm 03:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Alex--Terrance (talk) 05:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Fitna Disambig

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Come on - regardless of what he thinks the "official" website is, the page on Wikipedia that actually discusses the movie "Fitna" should be the only page containing this warning. No? Alg8662 (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But then it wouldn't make any sense to people just searching for the word "fitna" (rather than the movie) itself on wikipedia. ? Alg8662 (talk) 02:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Fitna (film)

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I not only protected based on the ip vandalism and unsourced additions [1] [2], but also the heavy vandalism by new accounts [3] [4] [5] as well as a slew of other unhelpful edits (that were not vandalism, but still stuff that needed to be reverted), All made within the hour or so prior to protection, not to mention hundreds of edits directly before that that I didn't feel the need to review because obviously the page was about a current movie release and the chaos on that page needed to be calmed down IMO. I see you went ahead and un-protected anyway, though. VegaDark (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should re-instate the semi-protection...the article is being hit by anonymous POV-pushers again. Given the high press visibility, a little higher degree of control is necessary. In addition, the vandalism and commentary are interfering with the good editors trying to keep up on a current event. Kelly hi! 18:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, since I probably won't be watching the article myself for a while I've reprotected it. —Ruud 19:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ruud, I have a related favor to ask - I'm concerned that our image on Geert Wilders (Image:Geert Wilders.jpg) may not be free. It comes from here, and that page seems to mention that it was provided by Wilders' office. It mentions both GFDL and public domain licensing, but I don't see any OTRS link or other verification of the license. Would you mind looking at the image and image talk pages to see if the license can be straightened out and the image moved to the Commons? Kelly hi! 19:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ruud, thanks so much for checking into it...I wasn't sure if you were online anymore, so I checked with an admin at Commons...he thought the permission was not sufficient, and the image is up for deletion here. In the meantime, I replaced the photo on Geert Wilders with one that is more likely to have a free license. Thanks again! Kelly hi! 22:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Fitna (nazifilm)

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This film is supporting naziism and racism and should therefore be deleted. DO NOT SUPPORT NAZIISM!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.18.145.162 (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He Ruud, is this your first troll comment? Cheers, Face 19:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsible Tables

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I'm from a Wikia wiki where we've implemented Collapsible tables, and we're interested in, if possible, changing the colour of the [show]/[hide] text. Can this be done, and can it be of different colours in different tables? - Greenpickle (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenpickle (talkcontribs) 18:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there no way to do it, then? - Greenpickle (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.244.116 (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Shallow water waves.gif

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I just noticed that Image:Shallow water waves.gif, which you uploaded, is a Featured Picture. However, I think the image description page is woefully inadequate. What is the forcing term? Boundary conditions? It doesn't list any details of the numerical computation (method, resolution). I'm also not sure what the exact equations being solved are; what are the equations "linearized" about?

Is there any hope that the description is expanded (I understand somebody else actually ran the simulation)? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jitse, I only moved the image to Commons so I'm afraid I can't answer any of those questions. Sorry, —Ruud 18:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Can you please give me the code I need to make this happen? (I don't think it's included in the default Common.js there.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 01:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm having problems loading User:Ruud Koot/Dictionary of Scientific Biography. I wanted to see if there was anything more there to add to William the Englishman. Can you help? Carcharoth (talk) 05:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Try this. There should be an article on him in the DSB. Cheers, —Ruud 09:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I was hoping it might have been a copy of an old public domain edition, but I see that Dictionary of Scientific Biography was first published in the 1970s. I'll try and look it up sometime. I doubt the existing information on William the Englishman goes very far, but it is worth a try. Carcharoth (talk) 09:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there! I'm Abastillas, from he Cebuano Wikipedia. Our navboxes there cannot collapse, making big ones very bulky for an article. Could you please help? Here's our navbox. Thanks! --Abastillas (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I have made a proposal for a integrated banner for the project here . I invite you for your valuable comments in the discussion. You are receiving this note as you are a member of the project. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 14:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image permission problem with Image:Jamshid al-Kashi (stamp 1).jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Jamshid al-Kashi (stamp 1).jpg. I noticed that that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the image (or other media file) agreed to license it under the given license.

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I administer another wiki, and we tried to copy the templates Template:Navbox and Template:Tnavbar for use in creating collapsible navigation boxes. But we must be missing something, because we can't get the boxes to collapse when stacked, or even to collapse when we specify a "collapsed" state. We tried copying everything that looked relevant from MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js, but those boxes still won't collapse. What might we have missed?--Temlakos (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Here is the link to our wiki: CreationWiki.

We're up to MediaWiki version 1.12. Does your collapsible navbox work only in MediaWiki 1.13? I wouldn't think that that was a problem; I was under the impression that you've had collapsible navboxes for more than a year.

You can also see <http://creationwiki.org/Special:Version> to see what extensions we're running.--Temlakos (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Problem solved!

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Thank you very much for your solution to our collapsible-navbox problem.

As you suggested, I copied in the hasClass function from MediaWiki:Common.js. And the boxes now collapse as they should. Best of all, semantic annotations remain intact even when the box is not showing.

You should get another "Barnstar" for today's work.--Temlakos (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Computer science

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Hi Ruud, There is (yet another) attempt to mess around with the lead sentence of Computer science going on at the moment. Feel free to make your opinion known on the talk page if you have the energy for another round of this debate.

P.S. Merry Christmas!

--Allan McInnes (talk) 08:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]