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Copy of email sent to ARBCOM in relation to sockpuppet debacle

Hi,

First off, my username on WP is Russavia and is in relation to user FayssalF

It is with regret that I am bringing this case to ARBCOM. I want it to be known that I hold no grudge against FayssalF but feel that for the best interests of the overall project that I have to bring this request here. As this involves one of your own, I know there is going to be a desire to write off anything I may have to say, and possibly use the filing of this report against myself in another report I will be filing and directly related to this. I do hope that members of ARBCOM can view this without bias.

I was blocked by User:Moreschi due to alleged harrassment of another editor. What brought this accusation of harrassment up was due to:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive169#Serious_ban_request

After a two week block which I received (and will be addressing separately), Fayssal proceeded to do a check-user on myself and User:Miyokan which he announced here:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive169#Russavia.2C_confirmed_sock_of_Miyokan.3F

An admin, User:Tiptoety then proceeded to indef block both myself and Miyokan on case of being sockpuppets (Miyokan as being one of my socks).

I attempted to have this sockpuppet block removed on account of providing my IP address in an open fora, so that editors/admins could see that I was in Perth (Western Australia), whereas Miyokan was in Nizhniy Novgorod (Russia). These attempts were denied due to the check-user that had been performed by Fayssal. A check-user which he himself confirmed the results of in that thread above. I proceeded to send an email to Miyokan (for only the 3rd time that I can remember we have ever had a direct discussion) in order to talk to him about this. In the meantime, Fayssal had posted a message to my talk page which in effect stated that Miyokan being in Nizhniy Novgorod is not the case, and that I should know this as both Russavia and Miyokan are in Australia.

When discussing with Miyokan not long after I sent the email, I found out that he was in fact located not in Nizhniy Novgorod, but in Adelaide (South Australia). After that, I then became aware of the message Fayssal left on my TP; and I responded to the effect that the results of the check-user should be revealed, as I know I am in Perth, and I know that Miyokan is in Adelaide (but did not mention Miyokan's location due to privacy).

Luckily, and thankfully, I was able to convince Miyokan to place his IP on his talk page, with a note to say it is for my use. I then posted both IPs on my talk page, and provided the relevant links to check them (www.network-tools.com and www.geohacks.com) and that would reveal that we are not in the same location, and hence not the same user.

Fayssal said that he tried but was getting timeout messages and would look again. Whilst all of this is happening, discussions is still going on at the Admin noticeboard, and nothing short of Wikimurder was going on - a fact I pointed out to Fayssal at the time.

Eventually Fayssal came back and confirmed that what was being said all along my myself was in fact the truth. He placed a notice on my talk page with an apology. This and my response can be found at:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Russavia#Unblocked_and_apologies

I responded to this stating that the apology would be wholeheartedly accepted once a similar apology was made to Miyokan, as the community has already dealt with his previous use of two accounts - which stopped immediately when he was alerted to it being a no-no. And I stand by the comments there. And yes, I am still willing to accept the apology so long as Miyokan also receives the same apology, as both of our accounts were unneedlessly dragged thru the mud, and if the accusation can be made jointly, then so should the apology.

That's the background. Now here's the problem.

What has occurred here is a total breakdown in admins doing check-users or the check-user system itself is horribly flawed and needs to fixed. This does not take into account our totally different style, completely different editing subjects, with little or no interaction, etc - this episode should be directly mentioned at WP:DUCK as a prime example as to why WP:DUCK is inherrently flawed.

Consider this one question. If I was not able to convince Miyokan to reveal his IP, where would we be at now? That is the question that needs to be considered in conjunction with the fact that a Geo-IP check is a simple operation, an internet novice is able to do it. How is it that Fayssal was not able to immediately determine upon doing a check-user that both Miyokan and myself are located in opposite sides of the country. Either that system has failed Fayssal or Fayssal has failed the system; its one of the two. I do believe that whatever the breakdown, that Fayssal was somewhat rash in putting 2 and 2 together, except he reached 5 instead of the expected result, and that this sole judge, jury and executioner system is fraught with danger.

I am not alone in these concerns, as User:Irpen has raised this issue at:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive169#What_the_hell_happened_here.3F

And my Irpen's concerns mirror my own. Who? What? How?

I would like this to be investigated and for the community to be advised as to what has caused this breakdown.

If it was the "fault" of the check-user system that you use, then obviously that needs to be looked at and rectified asap.

If it was the "fault" of Fayssal, then I would expect some type of sanction against himself. As I mentioned on my talk page, I believe a revocation of check-user rights would be in order. However, whilst I believe Fayssal made some rash decisions and comments, that he is sincerely sorry that this occurred, so I would ask that any such revocation be kept to a minimum; a few days at most; obviously with some further reinforcement on how to use the systems that you use.

I'm not a prick as can be plainly seen, and I hold no ill-will against Fayssal, and I hope nor he against me.

I would ask ARBCOM to consider this email and revert back to me if anything else is required from me and/or to advise me of an outcome.

The above email was sent to Arbcom on 17 September. Now some 3 days later, I have yet to hear a word from Arbcom, and an email sent asking for a simple recognition of receipt of the email, 24 hours after the initial email was sent, also lays unanswered. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines destinations list being vandalised with flags

Someone is repeatedly adding flags there please issue them a warning, I have reverted most recent edit there.116.71.49.197 (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Air Blue and Pakistan International Airlines destinations being vandalised

Someone is changing format of their lists to table style with airport codes, aircraft types etc. being added all of which are uneceassary, please stop this person from doing so, I told him it was vandalism but he went and did it again.203.81.213.118 (talk) 15:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Tassili Airlines logo.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Tassili Airlines logo.gif. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Hyde House and Russian Consulate

Hi! http://www.netconsul.org/consularoffices/ says that the Russian Consulate is at the 2323 Westin Building at 2001 6th Avenue, not the Samuel Hyde House.

Anyway, what is at the Samuel Hyde House, then? Is it the residence of the consul general? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Alaska Seaplane Service

An article that you have been involved in editing, Alaska Seaplane Service, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alaska Seaplane Service. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Eastmain (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Terminated destinations list

I just changed the style of Malaysia Airlines terminated destinations list and made it according to wikipedia format, but an editor connected with that article sent me a notice saying it was unconstructive edit and is being reverted, I thought this style format was created after reaching conclusion by all editors to give airline articles a uniform look, then why has that editor not adhereing to the format.203.81.205.132 (talk) 17:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Airline liveries and logos

I have just started on this article, to catalogue the designs of airlines. Not sure where it will end up. Please take a look and give me your suggestions. Kransky (talk) 02:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kransky, I haven't forgotten to reply to you, nor was I ignoring you, just had some more important things happening. In regards to that article, I honestly wouldn't keep going with the article how it is at the moment, as the logos in use aren't free use, but rather fair use, which severely restricts their use outside of articles which aren't on the airline itself. Airline branding is of course an industry of its own and could be quite a notable topic and good article, the only thing that needs to be looked at is available material and article structure. I am currently diverting away from general aviation articles for some time, so I wouldn't be in the position to help with that for the time being. Perhaps ask over at WP:AIRLINES and ask for suggestions there, but again, honestly, I would say that you PROD the article as it is now, as it doesn't comply with fair use of the logos. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Putin move protection

Done. Welcome back, by the way :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

More like mid-afternoon on my end (not to mention that my employer is blocking youtube), but I'll take a look when I get back home. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't resist :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Invitation

Because of my interest in Krasnensky District, eh? Thanks for a good chuckle. Seriously, though, what was the point of the invitation?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:RUSSIA roll call and your input required

Privet. You are receiving this message as you were listed on the membership list of WP:RUSSIA at Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Members. Recent times has seen minimal activity within WikiProject Russia, and there is an attempt to re-invigorate the project and have it become more organised into a fully-fledge functioning project, with the aim of increasing the quality of Russia-related articles across English wikipedia.

As we don't know which listed members are active within the project and Russia-related article, all listed members are receiving this message, and are requested to re-affirm their active status on Russia-related article by re-adding their username to Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Members by adding:

# {{User|YOURUSERNAME}}

to the membership list. You may also like to place {{User Russian Project}} on your userpage, as this will also place you in Category:WikiProject Russia members.

There is also an active proposal on the creation of a single WP:RUSSIA project. The proposal can be viewed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russia#Proposal_for_overhaul_and_creation_of_a_single_WP:RUSSIA_project, and your comments and suggestions are welcomed and encouraged at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal.

We all look forward to your continued support of WP:RUSSIA and any comments you may have on the proposal. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 04:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey merge portal isn't a good idea to the main project page. That will only make a mess okay. So don't do that. But about your message i don't know i im gonna be very active, but i can probably get a FL for the project. Question how can you oppose NATO? --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
In regards to the portal, this isn't going to be merged, it's only the various sub-pages which will be (or already have been) merged. Refer to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal for my info/discussion. What is FL? To your question as to why I oppose NATO...I could write 4 or 5 talk pages on why I am anti-NATO...but in a few sentences...it's a relic from the Cold War whose only purpose was to surround and contain Russia...it's purpose hasn't changed today from that era. Some keywords to read more: multipolar world and energy crisis. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 00:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Right. You just notified a lot of people. If you want to attract a lot of people to project "Russia", you should remove all userboxes that could cause concerns and to be very nice to everyone. You could even try to attract me to project "Russia". I might be involved if you wish. If not, no problem. I am sorry that I was a reason of your problems. I hope you can make a lot of positive contributions, with all your energy. Very best wishes,Biophys (talk) 22:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I haven't yet finished notifying everyone, but will get to that in due course. Biophys, I am always nice to everyone wherever possible, and you are of course welcome to join WP:RUSSIA at any time; as are all editors on WP. No special invite is required, simply whack your name on the membership list (even this you don't have to do, but is a good idea in order to show the WP spirit), and get involved in discussions on the project, and help the project to identify and meet its goals. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
As you can see, I apologized for the trouble and suggested that we both can peacefully coexist. I tried to do my best to support you, because you are a productive editor. But unfortunately you continue wikistalking my edits since your last block. If you do not stop, this releases me of any obligations to support you in the future. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 03:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Biophys, I would kindly ask you to demonstrate where I am wikistalking you. The only article that you have edited and which I have edited is web brigades, and I have edited this, and will continue to edit it so long as I am on WP. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 20:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Not etnic slur...

Laksom was not mend as an ethnic slur but as a joke (although it is a bad joke). Still think that Putinisms isn't a bad article. Although it could loose a lot of it's content an a clear scope. It's nice that you start to like Yulyu, but I can't say the same about your political favo's. I don't like the fact that they always seem to choose violence and war as the best solution to solve internal crises. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

M-Y, I'm not going to really get involved in personal opinions on this and that in this reply to you, I am merely going to concentrate on "Laksom". Whether that was made as a joke or not, I don't know, we only have your word on that, so I will take it as you say it was offered. First off, just know that I am not Russian and do not live in Russia; so the "Moskal" comment was a bit like an unsuccesful hunting shot. However, one thing I will not condone is people using loaded terms which have racist undertones. Whilst it may be used as a joke, we both know that Moskal is a derogatory term for Russians in Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. The same way that khokhol is a degoratory term used by Russians for Ukrainians. With my Ukrainian friends I can call them khokhol and malorussians, and can quip to them when they say that they want to move to Australia that I can't understand why, when we don't have salo down here. Just as with my Russian friends I can call them Moskal, in the most viciously humourous way, and one guy I know from Chukotka will even exchange the obvious jokes with him. And I will take equal schtick from them in regards to my apparent love of sheep f***ing, and a host of other barbs I sometimes wish I never shared with them. And no-one takes offence, because we are mates and we know where we all stand. So whilst we may be able to use such terms in private between friends, when out in public, particularly when it can be taken the way in which it was taken, it is best not to use such terms. I will re-instate the offer to collaborate, you name the article if you wish. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 09:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know 'Moskal' is a big insult, it seems quite harmless to me, 'Little goat' seems more insulting. Anyhow it was really late when I made those remarks. Could have know better maybe but didn't cause my Ukrainian friends never use the word. As you can see my best friend is from Крим and I don't have anything against Russians. I'll keep your offer in mind but I don't have any mayor edits planned on wikipedia for now. Only 24 hours in a day... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Moskal(i) is an insult, and best not to use it in an environment where tensions can be inflamed by it. Anyway, keep the offer in mind. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Allow me

The Original Barnstar
I, Alex Bakharev (talk), award you with this original barnstar for your victory over both Wikipedia's and Russian bureaucracy and recognition of Kremlin.ru as Creative Commons materials Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Russia megaproject

On IRC channel of ruwiki I have read that it starts a Russian megaproject in enwiki and that you organize it. Where can I read about it? Deevrod (talk) 11:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Deevrod, the proposal for the creation of a single WP:RUSSIA wikiproject can be seen at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal. We welcome all comments and participation in the project. If you have any comments on the proposal please feel free to place them on the proposal page, and if you know other ru:wiki editors who would be interested in helping to expand Russian articles and be part of the project, feel free to point them to WP:RUSSIA and the proposal page. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 11:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines

You should come back to Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Singapore_Airlines. Huaiwei has "coincidentally" decided to join in just as you've left, and is now casting himself as the victim. He's also restarted everyone's favorite edit war over at Singapore Airlines fleet. While walking away is certainly the easiest thing to do, letting him WP:OWN the pages isn't good for WP in the long run. Yilloslime (t) 18:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, as I mentioned on Ryan's talk page, I have got better ways to spend my time, as in trying to reinvigorate WP:RUSSIA, than to waste my time dealing with Huaiwei. Mark my words, regardless of any consensus which may be reached on that RfM, he is going to ignore it, as he has done so on every previous occasion. That is how he operates. Not to mention, I've had a f'ing gutful of his incivility and refuse to deal with any editor who can only resort to such tactics. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 03:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Get rid of the collapsible groups now.

Hello my name is Citno. I am a Wikipedia user. I want you to please remove the collapsible groups on Foreign relations of Russia. I think that this is not a good method at all. I have seen how in Foreign relations of the United States and Foreign relations of Canada templates don't use the collapsible groups. I need you to remove these groups because a template which deals with the Foreign relations of a country doesn't need collapsible groups. As a result, I am asking you to remove this so that it will be alot better for me to see it. I have trouble always trying to click either a section on Asia or Africa. So please Russavia get rid of only the collapsible groups only so that I can see and read the template Foreign relations of Russia better. Please do it as soon as possible and send me back a message as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Citno (talk • contribs) 12:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Koov Citno. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Enver Halilović

Greetings, according to this, it would not be relevant proof of apointing mr Halilović as ambassador in Russia. It says only that he together with some other bosnian ambassadors visit some factories in Bosnia. But I think according to this reference, mr Halilović is no more ambassador in Russia, since June 27th 2008, no mentioned who is on his post now.--CERminator (talk) 09:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I know we haven't always been best of friend on wikipedia but still I'm asking you for some tips. I've read (here User talk:Alex Bakharev#Question on copyright of images) that you succeded in persuading the Presidential Administration of Russia to release the Kremlin.ru images with free licenses and managed to make Medvedev's spokesperson to fax the permissions for kremlin.ru to WMF. First, thanks for that. I will write an e-mail (soon) too http://www.tymoshenko.com.ua and want to persuade them too release there images with free licenses too (I already know the procedure). I was hoping you could give me some tips how too persuade them. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Where haven't we been best of friends? Just because I personally think Putin/Medvedev are doing what is in the best long-term interests of Russia and its people, doesn't mean we can't be 'friends'. I have placed a copy of the letter which I wrote to the Presidential Press and Information Office at User:Russavia/letter. A copy of their response is at commons:Image:Kremlin authorisation-English.pdf (in English) and commons:Image:Kremlin authorisation-Russian.pdf (in Russian). With the Kremlin, it should be noted that on their website they already state basically what we needed, the only thing we really needed from them was clarification as to the usage. As Natalya Aleksandrovna notes in her response, CC is not within the statutes of RF law, however, they agree with the spirit of CC licencing and hence agreed to allow us to use their materials with attribution. But the process is still the same I believe. In my mind, any request should have the following:
  • An explanation of who you are and what your interest is
  • An explanation of the licences with links
  • An explanation of why it is imperative that we have ability to use materials (this is the most important part!! Don't make it sound like you are demanding anything, but explain in intimate detail, if needed, why you need to be able to use their materials)

I guess that is basically all that is required, except for the usual niceties that one would expect in such a letter. If you want to contact me to have a look over your letter before you send it, go ahead and do so. Also, I would suggest instead of sending an email to a generic email, find out the names and contact (fax preferred) of her media representatives and send it to them directly via fax (which is what I did). If you don't have access to fax facilities, you can email to me, and I can fax it for you. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 08:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Well I want to carefully plan and do this so it might take some time for me to send the request. So it might take a while and Yuchenko's "weirdness" witch forced me to do some quick fixes first wasted my time too... But thanks to you and US government some pictures of Yulyu are always save! I put Bush picture in the infobox (in the Yulia Tymoshenko article) cause he's more famous. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
It's always strange to me that when I think a Russian editor will dislike me I always get along with them... (see also here). Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


AfD nomination of Jaka Mwambi

I have nominated Jaka Mwambi, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaka Mwambi. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Colchicum (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC) Colchicum (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Virgin America Arbitration Request Filed

Hi. Please be informed that an arbitration request has been filed for Virgin America regarding the LAX focus city dispute in which you have been included as an involved party. Best Regards 45Factoid44 (talk) 04:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, don't add me to the involved party list, as the disputes have nothing to do with myself, and I won't be participating in the arbitration. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 20:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hello Russavia, Thank you for creating the .svg logo for the Cubana article. Could you please in your own free time create one for Iberia Airlines?, as the current .png one has really low resolution. I don't have photoshop and either the knowledge of creating these .svg logos which is the reason I haven't created it myself. Hope you consider it, Thank you. DanishWolf (talk) 07:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Moves

Bad news, I'm afraid. All those bulk moves you made, they need to be reverted. Not only did these moves break the whole structure on which the whole project dealing with the political/municipal/administrative structures of Russia, they are actually against the naming convention. Need help? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, I thought I'd fix them myself because it is faster for me than for you to have to go through them manually (it's all done now). I did, however, wonder more than once if I should jump on a plane to Perth and strangle you to death while you are asleep :) (remember, kids, never disclose your name and address to strangers on the Internet!). Then I thought that maybe you have not yet completely outlived your usefulness, so, good morning to you! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Stub sorting

Hi Russavia. Can you reduce the size of the px of the templates to 40px? Also how is the Bhutanese tourism and Druk Air going? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 10:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry I've done it. Thanks for responding Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 10:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Blofeld, thanks for changing the sizes for me, I was going to do them as I progressed thru adding the stubs. The Bhutanese tourism and Druk Air articles will take a back seat for a little bit whilst we try and reinvigorate WP:RUSSIA. They are still priorities for myself, just getting the project re-started is a top priority for myself for the next month or so. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 10:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand. Nice job on setting those templates up. As I was just saying to Ezhiki, the best thing is to create categories for each of the oblast stubs and completely empty regional stubs. Howeve rmany of them as yet ar enot viable. The best thing would be to create a list of mssing locations by oblast whether they are rural settlements, districts , rivers, mountains or lakes so we can work together at stubbing them to make seperate categories viable. We can worry about expanding the new stubs later. Sound good? I think its time we stubbed the districts of each oblast for startersBlofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 10:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I;ve created Category:Sakha Republic geography stubs Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 18:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

You may want to look on Ezhiki's talk page, where the two of us have been discussing precisely the same thing. We can continue discussion over there. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 13:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:new stub templates

Hi Russavia - I've just noticed that four more of your new stub templates didn't quite meet standard stub naming conventions, so i've moved them:

Sorry i didn't notice them before! Grutness...wha? 01:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for changing. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 13:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I am not exactly sure what qualifies as geo-stub. Colchicum (talk) 15:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Primarily it's for specific locations (including lists of locations), but excludingthings which would qualify as buildings and structures or as roads or railways. So rivers, towns, forests, lakes, mountains - that sort of thing. Grutness...wha? 21:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Allow me

The Working Man's Barnstar
Allow me to present you with this shiny new "badget" in recognition of your (almost-)singlehanded handling of the tagging of Russian geo-articles with new stub types. It's a dirty, boring, mindless job, but someone had to do it (and I'm glad it wasn't me!)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey Ezhiki, jam the barnstar. The gall of you giving me this, knowing that I still have 1,200+ articles to tag, and you worm your way of doing a single f'ing one with your "I'm glad it wasn't me" retort; what a lazy SOB. ;)
P.S. Yes, it is mind-numbingly boring.
P.P.S. Got around 800 to go, hopefully have them done within the next 2 days.
P.P.P.S. This is another of those things which go into the column "seemed like a good idea at the time".
P.P.P.P.S. I've completed the Central, Northwestern and Far Eastern district categories, some of these are not at the 60 article threshold, what we going to do with those, as it would be preferable to do away with the district sorting altogether. Do we just create Moshonki type stubs to make up the 60 in those areas? Or other? --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 12:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Nauru-United Kingdom relations

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Saint Petersburg

Could we finally do anything to get rid of this trivia/see also section (though I think that the link to the list of education institutions is important and should stay)? See Talk:Saint Petersburg#See also. I am about to lose my temper with Miguel.mateo. Colchicum (talk) 10:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

This is not really cool and you both should be aware that this is not proper Wikipedia behaviour. We are supposed to reach consensus and not to "team up" with other Wikipedia friends to push our own agenda. I can also contact all my friends but I have not done because I do have faith in the process. Please adhere to it. And please do not remove this thread, since if you do that will be the strongest evidence against you.
Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
This talk page is my house, and when one comes into my house they don't throw accusations around towards me, for if they do I will ask them to leave my house. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 14:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Miguel, I can be many thing, but I am not a friend of Russavia. I contacted him after he had disagreed with your edits to Saint Petersburg. And, frankly, this is what I would expect from any reasonable Wikipedian. Colchicum (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I think you both have been in Wikipedia long enough to recognize what is right and what is wrong, you both know that what you are doing is wrong. Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Miguel, listen to Colchicum, for if I ever met him in person part of me would want to ring his neck (and him likewise I am sure) [meaning we don't see eye to eye on many things, but things are civil], so this is not a case of editors ganging up on you. This is one thing that I agree with him on, and will take it to the talk page in a short while after I do this updating of some other things. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 14:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Never mind, even if I am a bit too cold-blooded to be willing to ring anybody's neck. Colchicum (talk) 14:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I never do like seeing the words "cold-blooded", due in no small part to a certain word which often follows it on the news and in courtrooms. ;) --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 14:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

New page on list of Indian Ambassadors to Russia

I don't think there is any need to create a new page, because apart from the names, there is no other content for such a page. The list is better placed within the article about Embassy of India in Moscow because this is a list of people who have headed Indian diplomatic missions in Moscow.

Also, I had made a mistake (now corrected) in calling it the list of Indian Ambassadors to Russia - because it includes names of Indian Ambassadors to USSR! The two are obviously different political entities.

Therefore, I request you to delete the new page you have created and let the list be where it was. I have linked the names of several ambassadors to their respective pre-existing bio-articles. Cynique (talk) 05:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Cynique

I was going to contact you, but you beat me to it. The embassy articles are primarily on the building, added in with notable information on the functions of the mission throughout its history. The lists of ambassadors, such as Ambassador of India to Russia, are meant as stand alone as part of the series on bilateral relations between two countries. Russia and the Soviet Union having close ties to India since its independence means that postings of Indian ambassadors to Russia and the USSR was a highly regarded posting within the Indian civil service, and there would be notable information on the position of Ambassador of India to Russia which can be included as part of the list. At the moment the lists are basic, but if you look at User:Russavia/RusAmb (a work still being worked on by myself at the moment), with proper formatting and additional information added to the lists, and with prose added to the list, they can be quite good stand alone lists, and wouldn't be surprised if they could some day reach featured list status. Of course, we don't have a deadline in place on WP, so whenever people can get these done is fine. If you want to collaborate on developing the standalone ambassador list, I would be open to that. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 05:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, sounds fine to me. I can't commit to it, but I hope to add more information to this new stand alone list of Indian Ambassadors in Moscow Cynique (talk) 05:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Marina Oswald Porter

Marina Alexandrovna Medvedeva Nikolayevna Prusakova? And now I can't remember, and naturally failed to reference it. Sorry. Remove it. Proxy User (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Embassy of Germany in Saint Petersburg

Updated DYK query On 30 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Embassy of Germany in Saint Petersburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions. – RyanCross (talk) 07:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Хотел Вам сообщить

Ваша недавняя правка в статье насчёт признания A&SO не очень удачна. Более того, она даже ухудшила текст, вместо того, чтобы его улучшить. Речь идёт о том, что Вы расписали содержание одной резолюции (последней). И это - вместо указания на то, что подобных резолюций ДО войны в ЮО было очень много. Каждый год несколько принимали, и Россия за них голосовала. Я не думаю, что статья выиграла от такой Вашей правки. Несведущий читатель мало чего будет понимать. Например, почему провозглашение было в 1992 году, а резолюция появилась только в 2008? Почему постоянный член совбеза Россия несмотря на резолюцию-2008 в том же 2008 признала независимость A&SO? То есть текст стал намного менее информативен (при этом размер его только увеличился). Рекомендую Вам убрать эту Вашу правку, к тому варианту, который там до этого был.--Yuriy Kolodin (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are talking about this edit, the edit was made for several reasons. Firstly, the resolution did not explicitly state that both Abkhazia and South Ossetia should considered parts of Georgia, as the resolution itself was on the issue of Abkhazia only. What the resolution did state what exactly what was written - that ALL UN member states recognise the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Georgia, and that ALL UN members states resolve themselves to resolving issues only by peaceful means. Everything needs to be put into context on WP, rather than blanket posting of statements which offer little explanation of what the reality is. Nevertheless, the entire article needs to be redone in prose, rather than blanket posting of quotes resulting in a quotefarm. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 13:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Слушайте, но почему Вы так привязались к конкретно данной резолюции. Возьмите другую резолюцию, например S/RES/1781 от 15 октября 2007 года. Вот ссылка, откуда можно получить http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions07.htm . Мы не должны привязываться к одной-единственной резолюции. Мы должны отметить, что таких резолюций было много (и формально ни одну из них никто не отменял). И что принимались они до войны в августе. А вообще, вот, пожалуйста, полюбуйтесь,сколько этих резолюций было всего http://www.google.com.ua/search?hl=ru&q=%D0%93%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fun.org%2Frussian%2Fdocumen%2Fscresol%2F&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA&meta=

Так что в любом случае, Вам следует Ваш вариант исправить.

P.S. самое удивительное, Южная Осетия/Цхинвали там нигде не фигурирует. По крайней мере, поиск не дал результатов. Но в любом случае, постоянные фразы в резолюциях "Reaffirms the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders," имеют отношение и к Южной Осетии. --Yuriy Kolodin (talk) 15:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not the editor who introduced all of this into the article. I am striving for NPOV on everything I do, however, some editors wanted to introduce into the lead that A & SO should be considered part of Georgia, hence what was placed. However, I have changed it to state the complete sentence, in that the UN member states recognise territorial integrity of Georgia, within the confines of the Georgia-Abkhazia conflict, and also expect all sides to solve the issue by peaceful means only. It is not good to cut quotes down only to show one POV; it is best to show the complete quotation, and we then let readers make up their own minds. As such, I won't be changing it myself, and I will challenge the validity of cutting down quotes in order to only allow a shallow POV to shine through, whilst disregarding the entire context. A link to the UN resolutions on Abkhazia has also been provided, in order for readers to be able to see what previous resolutions have been passed in regards to Abkhazia at the UN, which is part of your concern above. --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 16:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Ладно тогда я сам чуть подправлю. --Yuriy Kolodin (talk) 17:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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More Kosovo articles to delete

Hello, Russavia. What do you think about nominating more "Country X-Kosovo relations" articles for deletion? In my opinion, Kosovo–Liberia relations, Kosovo–Peru relations, Kosovo–Malaysia relations, Estonia–Kosovo relations, Finland–Kosovo relations, Ireland–Kosovo relations, Kosovo–Latvia relations, Kosovo–Lithuania relations, Kosovo–Luxembourg relations, Kosovo–Malta relations, Kosovo–Norway relations, Kosovo–Poland relations, Kosovo–Portugal relations, and Kosovo–Sweden relations should all be nominated for deletion. None of these nations have embassies in Kosovo. None of these articles have anything other than "So-and-so recognized Kosovo on blah blah blah". Would you nominate these for deletion please? I will strongly support this move. --Tocino 00:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

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