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A tag has been placed on Rhino Africa Safaris, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Hi, thanks for message. I deleted your article because

it did not provide adequate independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the company, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company claims or interviewing its management. I accept that you have attempted to reference, but there are some claims that need referencing or removing.
it's all about what the company organisation does, little about the company itself other than locations. To show notability you need hard facts such as the number of employees, turnover or profits.
it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: Africa’s leading online travel company.... luxury travel... raises over one million rand for the chosen charities... who work tirelessly... determined to bring world-class digital learning... they have 8,500 registered learners.
If you have a conflict of interest when editing this article, you must declare it. That's particularly the case if you have a financial stake in promoting a topic. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a black hat practice.
Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.
Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Rudyshire. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Rudyshire|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message.

It's not the worse I've seen, and if you want to try again, I'll post the deleted text to a user sandbox for you to work on, just answer the COI query above and let me know if you would like the deleted text Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to COI

Hi Jimfbleak,

Thank you for responding to my message. I appreciate your guidance.

To answer your question regarding COI, I can confidently say that I am not being paid to submit this article and I am not affiliated with the company or topic in any shape or form (directly or indirectly). I have created a list of articles that I would like to write based on the activity of that business/organisation/topic online and provided that it is interesting to note and is not yet a Wikipedia article.

I now understand what you mean by promotional text without solid proof. Please see below my questions in the below examples.

Example 1... in the case of text "Africa’s leading online travel company" is it not worth me adding the link to the World Travel Awards website which indicates that this is true? The actual award won was "Africa's Leading Safari Company" found at the link: ["Rhino Africa Awards"]. I am guessing that I would have to add in the exact award and link it to the World Travel Awards?

Example 2... in the case of text "raises over one million rand for the chosen charities", it is not good enough if a 3rd party wrote it on their website who have received such benefits? would this need to have come from a press release, news article or what do you suggest?

Please let me know if I can edit the content again with substantial references and more factual information and post it to the "Articles for creation" section.

I know once I get the first article right I will have a much better understanding for my next article/contribution.

Thank you again.

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for COI response. You will understand that that the question has to be asked.

Africa’s leading online travel company — the award may have that title, but that doesn't make the stand-alone statement an incontrovertible fact. There may be other other tour companies that dispute the claim, despite the award, or dissatisfied customers. It also looks spammy. It's part of why I deleted, and I suspect the deletion nominator took the same view

raises over one million rand for the chosen charities—at the moment is unsourced. It's fine if the recipient organisation confirms that.

You haven't said you want me to repost the text, so I assume you are recreating in your sandbox. It's up to you, but if you want, send me the link and I'll keep and eye on it. It's quicker than going through AFD Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimfbleak, I understand why you need to ask the question regarding COI. I am busy working on the text and will post it to my sandbox some time next week and then I will send you a link to review it. If the article is up to standard, will you be able to approve it to be published? What will happen then? or do we cross the bridge when we get there?

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't really a formal approval as such, since any article can be challenged at any time. However, AFC allows a degree of protection while text is being improved, and acceptance reduces the risk of subsequent nomination for deletion. A sandbox also serves to give some leeway, and review by another uninvolved editor helps to pick up problems. When we are happy with the text, it's just a matter of using the "move" button to transfer to article space. As I said, even the version I deleted was a long way from the worse I've seen, and I wouldn't expect major problems Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Review first article

Hi Jimfbleak, I have updated the article I wrote last week and would appreciate it if you could have a look and give me some feedback. I would like to add some images as well but find it difficult to do. Thank you so much!

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I made this edit, mainly formatting. I think you should now submit it for review to get a second opinion. You can upload images here, but note that if they have been published elsewhere other than under a clear and explicit public domain licence, they will be considered as copyright violations and deleted. You are unlikely to find PD images, so it's likely to be you own previously unpublished images or nothing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much Jimfbleak, will submit it now and wait for a response.

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 09:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rhino Africa (November 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.
What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Rhino Africa and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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LaMona (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Rudyshire, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! LaMona (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Rhino Africa concern

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Your draft article, Draft:Rhino Africa

Hello, Rudyshire. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Rhino Africa".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 10:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]