User talk:Rootless

DJ mixer

Nice additions to the DJ mixer page! I had planned on adding more when I started the article, but was hoping that someone with real world experience would take care of it. maxcap 14:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The main points are all in the first paragraph anyway. You may want to read A History of the Development of DJ Mixer Features (PDF), it's quite nice. Rootless 03:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

NZ DJ

perhaps you can help me understand why you consider the pioneers of disco back in the 60's and 70's down under are worthless and spammy. Its our nations history and several fleets of discos and residencies are significant to the movement overall. I had 7 consoles, my friend had 15 and a competitor had 20 something!!! Thats a lot of records and DJ's to train and direct apart from anything else thats a lot of people being entertained on a regular basis, we deserve more than your contempt. I assert that I was the FIRST mobile DJ in New Zealand to become a household name, due to a school holiday Radio Waikato high rotation series of adverts, promoting a series of gigs, paid for in contra by the ads we made for other purposes, so we got huge exposure. A bit difficult to substantiate at the moment, but possible as I contact, collect, and publish the history from those involved. I hand built everything and did thousands of shows, so I know a little about it.KIwiMusician 03:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't consider the pioneers worthless, but your edits to Disc jockey are promotion without real information. Your addition to the history section of Mixing console are shameful -- are you 100% positive that the largest "such" performance in NZ was held in Nambassa? Can you cite sources? How is the largest performance in NZ relevant to the history of audio mixers at all? Moreover, results of Google searches for captain pj, "captain pj" and captain pj disco seem to indicate that Captain PJ is not "notable" and the Captain PJs Disco article constitutes original research. In short, you're a promoter, not an informer. Rootless 16:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Lack of web information is only one method of making such decisions, I think a movie held in NZ's film archive is sufficient to indicate some standing, and the value of further research. It doesnt take much looking to see that. umm, How can anyone be a promoter of a 30 year old defunct organisation that pioneered an industry? huh? promote history perhaps, but I do that everywhere i go, as do most other editors. There is life outside the web, and there is a HUGE amount of info available outside of the web, funnily enough. whatever.. I do think that the technical and pictorial evidence of mixing equipment used at a country's easily verified largest music festival , EVER, is relevant. Wikipedia to me is a collection of collaborators piecing together a complex jigsaw, ever harrased by the other half that want everything simultaneously, at once, or scream not good enough, shameful? etc. I understand the myriad of rules and interpretations, etc etc.. but in the final analysis consensus rules ok. Thats a tricky concept to get a handle on and especially so applied to situations when the editor count is so low its a meanlingless state of affairs. But i've given plenty and now you can do what ya want with it, anyone can at anytime...moza 11:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

So it probably is notable and relevant to Wikipedia. But if one wants to describe New Zealand club scene history, one should create a page on NZ club history mentioning Captain PJ, among others, and link relevant pages to it. Inserting a History section consisting mainly of vanity edits to the mixing console article is not the right way to do it, because it's not relevant to the history of mixing consoles.

The Captain PJs Disco article is not encyclopedic. It should describe the history of the company and its influence on the local scene instead of enumerating equipment. It should mention the festival as one of the high points in its history. If you think the festival is relevant to the history of club scene, raves or whatever, just write a line in the timeline section of the appropriate article. Rootless 02:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Good one Disc jockey

There are some slightly less notables there. Glad to see you weeding! Ronbo76 15:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. There are too many DJs there and many are probably not notable, but I'm not sure who is notable and who isn't, so I only weed out obvious nonsense. Rootless 16:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You know, I spotted a plant in the Botanic Gardens of Australia's Capital City, Canberra, back in 1986, probably before you guys were born, but whatever, it truly held an official spot, in a living encyclopedic type institution called a garden. Now that very same plant was imported from England more than a hundred years ago, and has taken over zillions of acres of the New Zealand countryside, and is a NOXIOUS weed here. So a when is a weed not a weed? well it depends on the context. http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Gorse The wiki entry is completely wrong; "However, in New Zealand, it has been found to form a useful nursery species for native bush regeneration. If gorse stands are left for several years, native seedlings generate in their shelter and grow up through the gorse, cutting out its light and eventually replacing it." The TRUTH is that the gorse seeds last 100 years in the ground, and the growth COMPLETELY SMOTHERS all other plants. So guys, you could do some REAL weeding of the truth if you bothered to look deeper and further, and perhaps it might be even more useful that attacking stuff you apparently know little to nothing about, and are not prepared to look deeper into to validate, simply pull out the knife and cut, yeah thats real editing, so much value in the easy path... The truth is that gorse shoots are eaten to death in Australia and its too hot there for annual regenration, it has no enemies in nz and simply takes over, as a dictator, much like wikipedians do in this environment. I think the real state of play is that as wikipedian have zero notability, they are not prepared to share any space with others that have worked hard for decades at what they do. You guys could try spinning records several nights a week in a hostile environment for 7 or eight years, and then you would have 'notabilty' and some authority to speak. Try running a fully international gig for 48 hours continuously with thousands of punters in the mud, in an exquisitely beautiful rainforest, at the bottom of the planet, and then still have enough energy to pack down and transport everything back to civilisation. We are talking the real thing here, not your perverted and distorted version of reality. If you truly cared about wikipedia, then you would bother to find out from the USERS what their needs were and provide for that, thats the true value of sharing information, as opposed to being so edit-centric and endlessly bending and manipulating personal versions of the rules to justify your own surgical decisions. The reality here is suffering as a direct result of your inabilty to collaborate with the information holders and providers, you could actually do some useful work for the planet by helping locate the references and co-relating sources for new info, as a much better and strategy to improve wikipedia. But then you would have to lose your attitude, lose your surgery mentallity, and thats unlikely to happen, its simply not in your nature to be truly objective, so dont even bother to reply, it has no concievable value to anybody. Go and fix the gorse article, that would be the right thing to do, now that you have been notified. signed by a real dj for more than 40 years. yes ive played records to audiences for money since 1966. have you EVER played a record for financial reward? go away... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KIwiMusician (talk • contribs) 04:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Yes, I DJ for money, I DJ for free, I organize parties with foreign DJs and have played abroad myself. What does this have to do with anything? Wikipedia is about verifiable information, and my contributions are valid or invalid regardless of who I am (but writing about yourself is discouraged).

For me, DJs who are "notable" for the purpose of the disk jockey article are guys like Francis Grasso and Larry Levan who did a lot for the development of our craft, or Tiësto whose name is known to every teenager. The article has, I guesstimate, about a hundred DJs. Do you think all of them belong to the encyclopedic article about the disc jockey?

What you do, on the other hand, is writing about yourself, which is discouraged by Wikipedia rules. If you want to keep the history of your organization alive, create a web page and let others decide whether it belongs to the encyclopedia. Let's just say that I know people who created and developed the local rave scene, and they're not in Wikipedia. I know labels and producers with dozens of releases distributed internationally in thousands of copies, and they're not in Wikipedia. And that's fine, because not everything should be here. Rootless 03:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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