User talk:Rogborgs

A belated welcome!

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Again, welcome! Obsidi♠n Soul 21:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine English

I added 8 entries in the WORDS AND VOCABULARY section of the article Philippine English. If one has to search the Internet for these words, it's more likely that search results will yield pages originating from my country, the Philippines. Entries such as "Brownout", "Center Island" and "Trainors"; are used by Filipinos be it in informal or formal conversations and can be found quite extensively in official documents and mass media. As for the rest of my entries, these are common terms used so widely. Each one does have its Tagalog word counterpart but quite uncommon and unpopular finding it awkward for a Filipino to use in a casual tagalog conversation. "Brownout" is much simpler to say than its Filipino translation: "Pagkawala ng kuryente". Rogborgs (talk) 16:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Transferred discussion here to make it easier for you to keep track of it.

Hello sir Obsidian Soul. I'm quite new to editing wikipedia articles and I have to turn to you since you are one of the watchers of this article. I see that you are helping newbies and most importatntly, a Filipino as well. My concern is about the entries I added ("Brownout", "Center Island"; "Gives"; "Ice water"; "Stay in, Stay out"; "Trainor"; "Tuck out") or check it out here http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Philippine_English&diff=next&oldid=448887461. I believe you will agree with me and quite aware that those words and phrases missing in the list are in rampant use during casual or official conversations in our country. My entries have always been removed by someone else without any kind of messages/explanations; and what's frustrating is not even one or two of my entries are accepted to remain. If my small contributions are unacceptaple then so be it, at least a word from someone like you you dear sir will suffice to enlighten and delight me.115.146.232.122 Rogborgs (talk) 08:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, please don't 'sir' me, heh. A good thing to realize early on is that there are no authorities in Wikipedia, all editors are equal. Instead, we strive to follow consensus (that is - agreement between various editors) and Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

And yep, I definitely agree that those words are very prevalent in Philippine English. However, a very big problem with the article is that it has way too many entries. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and only a few words should ideally be there, concisely illustrating the differences between Philippine English and other English dialects.

Various efforts have been made in the past to cut down the number of words given as examples in the article, but the number of words still keep increasing. I might suggest that you do a bit of weeding out yourself. Take out a few of the words which aren't quite widespread and replace them with your suggestions. Please also provide a reliable source, to back up the information added, as another problem with that article is that too much of its entries are unsourced. One of Wikipedia's key policies is verifiability, and any information that hasn't been sourced can be removed by anyone at any time.

If you don't know how to add sources, please see Referencing for beginners. Note that offline sources are also perfectly acceptable, as long as you provide enough information so a reader might be able to find a certain book or newspaper on his own. I have also provided a small tutorial for adding sources below (click 'show'):

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Formatting references using inline citations
All information in Wikipedia articles should be verified by citations to reliable sources. Our preferred method of citation is using the "cite.php" form of inline citations, using the <ref></ref> elements. Using this method, each time a particular source is mined for information (don't copy word-for-word!), a footnote is placed in the text ("inline"), that takes one to the detail of the source when clicked, set forth in a references section after the text of the article. In brief, anywhere you want a footnote to appear in a piece of text, you place an opening <ref> tag followed by the text of the citation which you want to appear at the bottom of the article, and close with a </ref> tag. Note the closing slash ("/"). For multiple use of a single reference, the opening ref tag is given a name, like so: <ref name="name"> followed by the citation text and a closing </ref> tag. Each time you want to use that footnote again, you simply use the first element with a slash, like so: <ref name="name" />. In order for these references to appear, you must tell the software where to display them, using either the code </references> or, most commonly, the template, {{Reflist}} which can be modified to display the references in 2 or 3 columns using {{Reflist\|2}} or {{Reflist\|3}}. Per our style guidelines, the references should be displayed in a separate section denominated "References" located after the body of the article.
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And lastly, an advice: Huwag kang ma-demoralize dahil dito, heh. Always take things into perspective. Minor lang 'to, so please do continue contributing. Just remember to always provide a source, maintain a neutral and encyclopedic tone, and try to listen to other people's ideas and work together. As long as you do that, your edits will usually not be challenged. Also see Wikipedia:Writing better articles. Good luck and if you need more help, just ask.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 21:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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