User talk:Roblefko

Welcome!

Hello Roblefko, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links to help you know what's going on at Wikipedia. If you still need help, just put {{helpme}} on your user page.

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Karmafist 00:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, that'd be awesome. Sending me an e-mail would be great. Thanks! -- Jjjsixsix ^(talk)/_(contribs) @ 00:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC) Thank you for that link to your Sports Wiki. --Z.Spy 05:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armchairgm Sports Site

Thanks. I have already heard from others about the existence of this site. I do intend to take a look at it. Unfortunately, I am presently bogged down in work, and I really don't have the time to devote to it. Thanks for informing me anyway. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 02:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty cool site you have there. I might check it out if I have some free time. Crazyswordsman 04:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for inviting me, i am indeed a Bills fan.... Thethinredline 09:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely something I'll go to in the future. Right now I'm really busy on other sites, but it's a very interesting concept. Currently, even with Wikiproject NFL, Wikipedia's content as far as the NFL goes is subpar, so this is a pretty good idea. -VetteDude 18:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armchairgm Sports Site

I really liked the voting and the stats, it was great. I'll try to contribute.

Thanks, Tom 14:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, though I'm really busy I'll try my best to contribute where I can. Phoenix2 22:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take another look when I get a chance, thanks! Panchitaville 07:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I have recieved one about Baseball but, football, yall are really good. Thanks for letting me know and i am definately intrested.--Slipknot 222 00:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This leads to my sports page, i just started it and will end up gettin to football for college and pros as well as Baseball. I hope you read it some and share it with your friends, they can add stuff that is not vandalism thanks.--Slipknot 2 22 01:29, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For the invite :)Gateman1997 03:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Block

I have blocked this account from further editing because it is being used solely to promote an external website, and does not contribute to the growth of Wikipedia. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hah hah. BUSTED. SushiGeek 04:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't need to be spammed by some asshat. RGTraynor 04:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have lifted the block on your account because Awrigh01 apologized and because the external link you guys were adding has been added (at least temporarily) to our spam blacklist.

I encourage all of you to participate as logged-in users to Wikipedia and build up some goodwill before engaging in further promotional efforts. There is a suggestion of how you might do so with a minimum of feather-ruffling in the future here. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 06:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roblefko might be able to do something other than promote that website. Why not do work on some sports pages here? OneGyT/T|C 11:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emailing now..

I think everyone is well aware of your website now. You don't have to email your "announcement" as well. ccwaters 18:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Subject:	 Wikipedia e-mail
From:	Roblefko <rob4point0@aol.com>
Date:	Fri, Mar 31, 2006 12:40 pm
To:	Ccwaters <x@x.com>
Hi,
I noticed you were active on many sports pages in Wikipedia. My friends and I started a sports wiki that you may be interested in. It 
uses Wikipedia's software but we made a lot of technological improvements to allow for more news and opinion articles, as well as regular
encyclopedic entries. If youâ€™re interested in it, check it out at http://x. I see you are interested in hockey and 
the AHL.
Here's the NHL home page: http://x/index.php?title=NHL
Here's the AHL home page: http://x/index.php?title=AHL
Rob

Spamming

Roblefko, I consider using the Wikipedia e-mail function to spam a website you've been repeatedly told not to promote here a pretty blatant violation of what this community is for. Please stop doing so or you'll be indefinitely blocked. Thank you. Chick Bowen 03:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spam

I received spam from you promoting your website. I have reported your activities to your web host and to Wikimedia via SpamCop. —Psychonaut 03:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Putting Messages on My Talk Page

I's appreciate it if you stopped putting messages on my talk page if all you want to do is complain about an email you received from me, thanks.--Roblefko 04:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't delete warnings from your talk page. I've restored them. And if you don't want to get scolded for spamming, don't spam. Chick Bowen 04:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok sorry, i wont delete them, but please dont call it spamming. i am sending one email at a time to people that have contributed to wikipedia, how is that spamming?--Roblefko 04:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rob, I'm sorry if I got a little steamed, but what it comes down to is this--you still haven't made any productive contributions to Wikipedia. You're only using it to promote your site. That's not appropriate, and (as you can see above), it's not appreciated. Please understand that this is inevitably going to seem like spam to people, whether you consider it so or not (you're obviously e-mailing people indiscriminately, after all, since you and I don't know each other), and that people are naturally going to get pissed off. My advice would be to edit some articles here, make some friends, and then invite them to look at your site if you wish. Chick Bowen 04:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is spamming. It doesn't matter whether you send the messages one at a time or all at once; the fact that you're sending what is substantially the same message indiscriminately to people who did not solicit it is enough to consider it spam. The fact that the message promotes your website and that its recipients have given no indication they'd be interested in the website's subject matter only compounds the problem.

Anyway, my previous message was not to complain about your e-mail. It was to let you know that I have reported your activities to your web host and to the network services you have abused. This way when your ISP pulls the plug on your account, you'll know why. —Psychonaut 04:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More Spam

Roblefko.... I have absoultely no idea who you are or what on earth my contributions (none of which were even remotely sports related) have in relation to the site you are promoting. Please read the wikipedia article on spam as you will find it very informative and clearly defines the term Bulk as being multiple recipients. The fact multiple people have complained about this, none of them know who you are and for the purpose of getting them to contribute to your own site clearly defines it as spam. I will report you to the person who previously blocked you regarding this. Enigmatical 04:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your spam

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'd be interested in a sports wiki as I've edited hardly any sports-related pages here on WP. Even my interests listed on my page don't say anything about being interested in sports. If you're going to spam, at least make sure people might be interested beforehand. As I can see by your talk page, it seems I'm not the first person to receive this unwanted spam. Please stop if that's all you're here for. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 16:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's Not Spam

I send email one at a time. Each email has one recipient. It doesnt meet the definition of bulk emails (which as you so poiltely defined as "multiple recipients") and is therefore not spam. Further, you are soliciting my emails. You registered for Wikipedia. To me, this means you are interested in free open source information and enjoy contributing to such a site. Therefore, it is only logical that you would also be interested in my site, which is very similar (i.e. it is merely narrower in that it focises on sports). I still don't see the problem. Just because you dont like the email doenst mean other people dont find it relevant to Wikipedia's goals of providing free open source encyclopedic information.--Roblefko 17:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your logic is wacko. My signing up on Wikipedia does not give you the right to send me anything not directly related to Wikipedia. I never solicited your emails. Please provide some proof of me specifically requesting that you send me anything, especially sports-related items. Nowhere on my userpage does it give any hint of me being interested in sports (which I generally am not). There's no logical step from me having an account on Wikipedia to you thinking I'd be interested in your sports wiki. I could understand if I was really active (or even slightly active) in editing sports articles, but out of my 9000-ish edits here, I'd guess that maybe 10 had anything to do with sports. That's barely a tenth of a percent if I had 10 edits in sports-related articles.

As for Wikipedia's goals, they don't necessarily coincide with yours unles the Mediawiki Foundation is directly sponsoring your sports wiki (which I doubt). So Wikipedia's goals regarding open source encyclopedic information don't apply to you sending out unsolicited messages. As others have stated, your only purpose here seems to be to spam people about your sports wiki. That 'definitely doesn't fit under any goal of the Mediawiki Foundation, or any of the stated goals of the Wikipeida editors in general.

Feel free to add a link to your sports wiki on appropriate pages here on Wikipedia, and feel free to link to it from your userpage, but beyond that, anything you do to advertise it will likely get you banned for spamming. Tread softly in regard to this matter as you have nothing to support your case. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just did a quickie count, and only one-half percent of your edits have been outside of User talk pages (1 edit out of 184 total at this point). That one edit was on your User page. So, it's very obvious your only purpose for being here is to spam people about your sports wiki. That's not acceptable. If you have the willingness and time to help out on sports-related articles here, we welcome your help. If you'r only purpose is to spam people here about your sports wiki, then please stop. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a Joke

Real spammers have automated programs where they send thousands of emails a minute, or have huge email lists where they can send thousands of emails in a short period of time. I browse through Wikipedia and try and find people who would be interested in my site and email them. I probably spend half an hour every once in a while emailing people, and during that half hour i probably find like 50 people to email. Is that really something for you people to waste your time over?? A few hundred emails over the course of a month. Geez. Find something else to monitor. By monitoring me you are wasting your time to tell you the truth. --Roblefko 22:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two observations:

If a few hundred people send a few hundred emails over the course of a month, you're looking at millions of emails per year. (There are scores of interesting, unique, and potentially worthwhile wikis out there; there's no reason to believe that they don't all want more editors and visitors.) How many messages does it take before it should count as a 'real' problem? Note that since a substantial fraction of our content is contributed by a relatively small pool of users, those same users – our most devoted contributors – would probably be seen as 'interested' and bear the brunt of the spam messages. We'd rather not do that to our editors, and especially not to our most active ones.
There's no evidence that you've made any effort to contribute to the Wikipedia project. After you were blocked for talk page spamming, the block was lifted and we made a good faith offer to let you participate in a positive way. You have not availed yourself of that opportunity. Instead, you have chosen to continue to use Wikipedia's resources (bandwidth and editor lists) to promote your own site. There are many ways to promote your project on the web. Wikipedia is not one of them.

If your site needs to be promoted, put your money where your mouth is and buy a Google AdWord or something. The fact that there are complaints accumulating here on your talk page and elsewhere would seem to suggest that regardless of your personal opinion of your actions, the Wikipedia community finds your emails unwelcome. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not read Wikipedia's own article on spam, or what I wrote above? It's not the volume of messages that counts, or whether you send the messages one at a time or with an automated system. You are spamming when you send multiple messages that are a) substantially the same, and b) unsolicited by the recipients. That's it. That's spam. The facts that your messages are also c) promotional in nature and d) unrelated and of no interest to the recipients do not alone make them spam, but they certainly make the problem worse. —Psychonaut 03:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Users who Want Roblefko to stop spamming

We need our own userbox for this. Please Sign below --E-Bod 05:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me too.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 00:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poor guy, his sports wiki looks like it could be an interesting site, and he's not trying to sell anything, he just wants contributors. But unfortunately he's going about it all the wrong way. :( — Apr. 25, '06 [21:15] <freakofnur_xture |talk>

blocked

Roblefko, you continue to send unwanted e-mail to Wikipedia users, and you continue to show no interest in working on the encyclopedia. You are not in any sense a constructive member of this community. I have blocked you indefinitely. Chick Bowen 20:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Email spam again?

Roblefko, someone has started an ANI thread about alleged spamming from this account. The thread is at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Roblefko. Given your previous blocks for the same, if this is true, the spamming needs to end. We now have the option to block users with email disabled, which is an appropriate option if spamming has continued and it doesn't stop forthwith.--Chaser - T 23:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked you with email disabled.--Chaser - T 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]