User talk:Rhild

Skxwxu7mesh diacriticals should match cite in each case

I notice that you applied a global change to all instances of "Skwxwu7mesh" but in each case it should match the citation usage, not change the citation title as winds up being the case with how you are doing it. There are various ways to diacriticalize it, and in English when it does occur in print it doens't usually have any at all; except in academic and native-source citations and again, there is no real consistency there. The second-underline-x in your new version is what was established by User:OldManRivers, who is not just Skxwxu7mesh himself but a language teacher/reviver. Please go over each of those and match the usage in each case with the citation quoted i.e. what the cite has.Skookum1 (talk) 05:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Skxwxu7mesh diacriticals should match cite in each case

Skookum1 I went back and undid my changes. It's all fixed. (talk) 2132:, 15 August 2013 (PST)

Re: Skxwxu7mesh diacriticals should match cite in each case

Thanks I was going to correct my changes when I noticed this was not consistent. Can you tell me whether it should be "Skwxwu7mesh" or "Skwxwú7mesh" which is how it is on shown on http://www.squamish.net/about-us/our-culture/. Unfortunately, I wasn't sure what you meant when you said "what the cite has". P.S. this is my first "Talk" so forgive any syntax errors. Rhild (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2013 (PST)

re "what the cite has" I mean in each case e.g. in the ref'd links where the term is, what spelling that source uses. About the diacriticals, it's often stripped of them when used in English, as are St'at'imc and Sto:lo and others (which have complex diacriticals in the strict native orthography; both of those are common in English which is why RMs and CFDs to do with them were successful; "Squamish people" was not because Skwxwu7mesh, though present in English, is not used as much. Of the "strict" forms for Skwxwu7mesh, there's Sḵwxwú7mesh, Sḵwx̱wú7mesh and Skwxwú7mesh; one of those, I think with the underscore-xm was at one time the title and fought for as such by User:OldManRivers; talkpage discussions about all that appear to be archived. Please note simple subtitution of "Squamish" for "Skwxwu7mesh" in whatever form is not applicable, the primary usage is for Squamish, British Columbia. Anyways MOSFOLLOW applies to usages, variant spellings as used in the source cited should be what's on each cite. In the articles themselves, e.g. what I just retitled History of the Squamish people (which was "Squamish history" with what are to people from the parts in question very ambiguous and misleading, and was originally Skwxwu7mesh history (which which diacriticals I'm not sure) and adjusted the sidebar template "series on Squamish" was its title, had to change that to "the Squamish people" because the syntax in the former is clearly that of the town. To those of us who "get it", that is.Skookum1 (talk) 05:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rhild. I wanted to join in the conversation as I noticed you making changes as well. I accept that this English language Wikipedia will insist on using Squamish people over 'Sḵwx̱wú7mesh', but am curious on your substitution of citations that explicitly use the proper Sḵwx̱wú7mesh sníchim (Squamish language) orthographic spelling? Granted, it’s not consistent across the board. Dr. Rudy Reimer I believe accidentally used Sḵwxwú7mesh in his disseration where as Dr. Peter Jacobs used the proper orthographic spelling of Sḵwx̱wú7mesh' (where there is both an /ḵ/, /x̱/, and /ú/). Even the Squamish Nation’s administration building incorrectly spelt it Sḵx̱wú7mesh on the entrance sign -- but if you look at the citations from, or read the official Sḵwx̱wú7mesh Sníchim (Squamish Language) dictionary -- you will see it is meant to be spelt Sḵwx̱wú7mesh. As well, Dr. Peter Jacob’s (one of the references) is a PhD in Linguistics, and did his PhD on Sḵwx̱wú7mesh Sníchim... uses /Sḵwx̱wú7mesh/. OldManRivers (talk) 04:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi OldManRivers,

I have two reasons related to the specific objective I hoped to achieve: make the subject easy to understand.

- Once you know a foreign word it does become familiar, but at first it disrupts the ease of reading. This applies to all languages, except words like cliche and resume that have made into our every day language, but without their accented 'e's. That's the first reason.

-The second reason is that when I did a read through for parallelism, there were problems. We used more than one English sounding name like Musqueum, right beside the very distinct and foreign-sounding Sḵwx̱wú7mesh. Why wouldn't they match? Because there is a proper orthographic spelling of Musqueum. Mismatched usage requires more thought and therefore more time of the user, which reduces their chance of staying on the page.

-Thirdly, this article is not educational about the groups of people who lived there except a high level. If the page was called XwayXway, then the name detail fits and is expected. Or, if the article was education about groups. *** In that case I might create a table with each foreign word used and explain what it means so as not to lose anyone who speaks English or any other language and tries to make sense of this page. And I would be consistent. ***

I did try to make it fit in the beginning, but after working with it, it just didnt seem to make sense when there are different ways of working with the material that will be clearer, and there was so much inconsistency. This is my first Wikipedia edit. I plan to make some of the citations into one to reduce that list. I wasn't great at that in the beginning.Rhild (talk) 05:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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(in your reply) Please list where you'd like me to make my initial comments. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I've left some comments about pics and the lead. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Will get to them soon! I will let you know when I am done. Have a great weekend! Rhild (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! P.S. If you add any additional info onto the Brockton Point article, please let me know on my talk page. I've gathered several sources about the topic, and I'd like to be able to nominate it for DYK (which has a 5 day limit after the first expansion of the article). —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

There was a recent article in the Province that might be relevant to the Brockton Point article. It's entitled "History has forgotten existence of a thriving First Nations community in Stanley Park". There were several house there until as late as 1958! That article has a great picture of the houses that were once there. Also, Edward Stamp is worth mentioning. He attempted to out a sawmill at Brockton Point in 1865. I understand that he went as far as to clear cut the land, which became the sports fields we have now. The lighthouse is very important. There might be a bit more on it in List of attractions and monuments in Stanley Park, but I can't recall off-hand. But it looks good. I won't have time to add anything myself. Rhild (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! 5× expansion has now been completed. In order to thank you for the contributions you made towards the article, I've listed you as the co-expander of the article. When promoted, this will give you your first DYK credit. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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