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Want to explain this maybe? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 12:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Draft:The Gloucestershire Wassail requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://genius.com/Mannheim-steamroller-wassail-wassail-lyrics. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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This was a false error on the part of Wikipedia's copyright detection bot. See my explanation in the Talk section of that page. The lyrics were A:), not even in the song the bot thought it was (the song was an instrumental), and B:), the lyrics were hundreds of years old anyway. So the entire thing was erroneous.YouarelovedSOmuch (talk) 08:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

white maple

I think you are confusing the descriptive term white maple, referring to the colour of the wood, with the American common name of the species Acer saccharinum. Consequently, by deleting it, you have damaged a piece of text that you were beginning to improve significantly. I think you had it about right in your second edit. If you could combine that information (agreed they need a citation, but that can stand) with the citations you provided in your third edit, that would be about right. Plantsurfer 13:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Plantsurfer: To make an extremely long story short, there are basically two possible explanations for the lyric:

1. The term "white" in "white maple tree", was added relatively recently in the song's history; within the last 100 years or so. All the publications that I saw and referenced from the 1800s, showed the lyric simply as "maplin tree", with no mention of the color white.

2. The song's lyrics really are correct, and the "white" in "white maple tree" that some people sang about was referring to the Sycamore Maple (Acer pseudoplatanus) or Field Maple (Acer campestre), both of which are Maple tree varieties, both of which have white-looking wood, and both of which grow in Europe.

My edit was from the perspective of camp 1. That is why I deleted it, because it does not belong on the Sycamore page. But, unbeknownst to you, I did not merely delete the section, I moved it to the page for White maple.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Acer_saccharinum&diff=928173396&oldid=918276231

My edit to that page was immediately deleted as being "trivia" and "off-topic" for the page. But that is beside the point. The bigger point is this:

I realize now, that both camp 1 and camp 2 are plausible explanations. Neither of us knows the answer, neither of us has proof, and it's basically speculation. Therefore, it's probably best to leave it out of any Wikipedia page for the time being, or, at the very least, leave it as an open ended question, such as, "it is unclear if (camp 1) or (camp 2).", or perhaps even less specific than that, if anything. That is it, at most.

I have read a publication from the early 1900s by Ralph Vaughn Williams that referred to the lyric as "green maple tree". And, I have heard, although I have seen no references to back it up, that other woods and types of trees have been used in the lyrics ("ashen tree", "oak tree", etc.)

Side note: I am the creator of the page for the Gloucestershire Wassail. I just got that page approved from draft form about a day ago.

If you want some of the convoluted back story as to how this all started, it goes something like this:

Years ago, someone wrote on the wikipedia page about wassailing, that the song Gloucestershire Wassail featured a line about the bowls being made of white maple. Then, they went on to postulate how white maple is a great wood for making cooking and eating tools because it does not have any flavor, and therefore, was probably the reason why wassail bowls were made of white maple at the time. Here is what the page looked like:

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wassailing&diff=928088875&oldid=928084481

But this was complete speculation on their part. They did not leave any references. And, in response to this, someone else correctly tagged that paragraph with Clarification needed. White maple does not grow in Europe. This was a great point, and something that whomever had wrote that speculative paragraph, probably did not think about. To make a long story short, I looked on the Wikipedia page for Sycamore Maple, where I discovered the page as it existed here:

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Acer_pseudoplatanus&diff=928172255&oldid=924386178

In it, someone who may have been, and I think very likely was, the same person who had tagged the original wassailing article with Clarification needed. White maple does not grow in Europe, had edited the Sycamore Maple page to say

"in "Our bowl, it is made of the white maple tree" presumably refers not to the silver or white maple (A. saccharinum), which does not occur naturally in Europe, but to the white wood of the sycamore or the field maple, Acer campestre. "

This, too, was speculation on their part, but they were at least correctly trying to explain the lyric as not actually referring to white maple.

At this point, for reasons I won't go into, I was in the aforementioned camp 1, not camp 2, but I thought the Sycamore Maple page I was editing- with the edits you are defending -was the White Maple page. But it was not. I was on the wrong page. When I discovered this, I deleted the section and moved it to the White maple page. Again, this is because I was in camp 1, not camp 2, so what I wrote did not belong on the Sycamore page.

But, I now believe the answer could be either camp 1 or camp 2. I'm not sure. Hence my current view of the situation.

Side note: Another thing I did not notice at the time, is the mention of the Acer campestre (field maple). Both the Sycamore Maple and Acer campestre, are good candidates that fit camp 2's hypothesis. EDIT: Adding signature: YouarelovedSOmuch (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Plantsurfer: In addition to what I already told you, I would like to add that I just recently made an edit to the wassailing page in the section about wassail bowls. I described the current situation/understanding of the lyric as best I could/knew how. You can read for yourself: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wassailing&oldid=928252565#Wassail_bowls YouarelovedSOmuch (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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