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Welcome

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Hope to see you around the Wiki! Remember to be Bold! with your edits, and if you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to contact me on my talk page!

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Categories in page preview

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They do appear, but at the very bottom of the page, below the edit windows and apparently separated from the article. It beats me why they're all the way down there - it took me a while to find it. Regards - Ian ≡ talk 02:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Hergest Ridge cover

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There are about 20 albums made by Mike and it's quite impossible to place all of the covers on the article without making it look cluttered. So, I picked the ones with the better-looking cover art and the ones which have a good reason to remain in the article because of its importance. Unless there's any good reason, I'm afraid to say that Hergest Ridge is the first one to go. ;) --Andylkl (talk) 13:27, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Doug Walters - century in a session

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On three occasions he hit a century in a session, most famously in Perth against England in 1974, where he hit Bob Willis for six from the last ball of the day

It appears that Walters did it only twice - Port of Spain 1972/3 and [Perth 1974/5.

Oxford Companion to Australian Cricket mentions that he did it thrice and includes Auckland 1973/4 but this appears to be wrong. In a message board where I hang around, we have a prominent Australian statistician as a member who has access to the scorebooks. I checked it with him. Walters came to the wicket at 11:34 and lunch was either 12:30 or 1:00. He took 158 minutes to reach 100. So it clearly looks impossible that Walters could have done it.

Does your source mention what the three matches are ?

He did score a century before lunch against the Rest of the World at Melbourne. Tintin 14:55, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New feature in FPC archival bot

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Just want to make aware of a certain new feature in Kurando-san... If it can not, for any reason, read a date from a page, technically it will post that it skipped what candidate and post that in the talk page of the FPC daily until it's fixed. --AllyUnion (talk) 03:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FPC Date

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See my comment regarding the bot operation at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates. --AllyUnion (talk) 03:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FPC Bot

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FPC Bot runs on a daily basis, by the way. I can't frequently check the Wikipedia, so I don't know always whether or not my bot has successfully run for the day. If, for any reason, you find that you are moving the nominations around because the bot isn't doing it's job, you have to let me know. --AllyUnion (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket graphs

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Raven, while your at the cricket graphs, could you also draw a sample graph for the following:

  • Manhattan: Runs plotted per over + wickets fallen
  • Worm: cumulative runs plotted per over + wickets fallen
  • Run rate vs overs

Thanks =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

quick question for you.

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Raven, I wanted to drop you a line to ask if you'd be interested in voting on my admin candidacy. I've seen you a lot in voting on FP's and thought you might have a somewhat good or positive idea of me and what kind of work I do. I might have been wrong about the whole featured diagrams issue that came up, but figured you might still have a good view of my contributing otherwise. I'm kind of having a personal tiff with a certain user right now and would appreciate your vote if you feel i'm qualified enough. I also answered the usual questions at the bottom of my nomination form you can read if interested. I'd jut like to get the change to make wikipedia even better and I think this would allow me to do so. Just thoguht I'd see if you'd help me out with it. Thanks and I'll see you around the FP's I'm sure. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 23:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

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Hey Raven, thanks for those pretty notices on my talk page. I wish I could take photographs that well, and contribute in that way too. Oh well, at least I'm finding them :) Take care encephalon 09:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your FPC work

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You have saved everyone a bundle of time by archiving the FPCs these last few months. Thanks man. With the authority vested in me by no one in particular, I bestow upon you a barnstar. Now get out there out and keep archiving! Hopefully in the coming months I'll have more time to give you a hand (I know how long it takes to do this stuff, especially when the wiki is slow). Broken S 03:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re: Image:Airport_traffic_pattern.jpg

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Neat, thanks! :) ericg ✈ 06:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, thanks! :-) — ceejayoz ★ 13:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket quiz

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Well done, you solved question 3, and you can now set question 4! Stephen Turner 10:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hammond graph

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Raven4x4x, can you please move the years a little bit to the right. If you look at Hammond's last hundred, it looks as if he scored it in 1946 whereas it was made in 1939. Tintin 12:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Support

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Thanks for the info. However, there are two major problems here:

  • I didn't give anyone the right to change my votes.
  • It's not my fault that the admin to delete the template against the wikipedia rules forgot to add the <noinclude> and <includeonly> parameters. If he/she did, the whole tag would not show up.

Cheers, Halibutt 00:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pic of the Day

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Hi Raven,

Since you also seem to be connected to the picture Image:Lightning over Oradea Romania 2.jpg I thought you might like to know that it is up for Pic of the Day tomorrow. As this will be a weekend, it should also be on the Main Page. If you get the chance your can check and improve the caption and credit line at Wikipedia:Picture of the day/October 29, 2005. -- Solipsist 08:31, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a ton !!!

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Hi, I just noticed your test batting performance graph on Sachin Tendulkar. It is fabulous. thanks for the same! However, you may want to consider changing the axis values for the average as it is very difficult to make out what the average is - may I suggest intervals of 10 runs for the average and that this axis be on the right side of the graph to prevent confusion? Also, it would be great if you can make a similar graph for the test performance of V. V. S. Laxman. Cheers!!--Gurubrahma 07:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, just noticed the graph on V. V. S. Laxman. --Gurubrahma 13:36, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Batting graphs

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Hi. Do you think you could add something like "as of 2005-11-01", or whatever is relevant to the captions of batting graphs that you add to current players? Adam Gilchrist's graph should change within a week, and I don't imagine you are going to be update the graphs after every innings. Thanks, JPD (talk) 10:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks...

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...for creating the subpage for the global biosphere nominated feature picture. I could not seem to figure out the instructions on that. Jeeb 04:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Raven, first of all, thanks for the work you're doing as moderator in the featured pictures. Much appreciated. :) I did have a question, though, about the process of deciding which edit of a featured picture is to be used. I just noticed that the original Astronaut and Earth [[1]] featured picture had been kept. I know that the voting was for the most part vague about which edit people most strongly supported, but as I mentioned in my comments, I felt like my edit had the most value as it was slightly reduced in size and therefore easier to view, but due to the original copy's soft lines, didn't actually contain any less detail. Furthermore I increased contrast slightly and reduced visible noise. I also reduced the file size from approximately 7000kb down to 700kb while not losing any significant quality. I know I'm biased about my own edit, but is there a process that you go through in deciding which edit is most suitable or do you generally just retain the original copy unless there is an overwhelming consensus agreeing otherwise? Diliff 05:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ahhh, they're all a bunch of philistines. ;) I can appreciate that you can't do much about promoting something that has not even received any comments. As I've said in other comments, it seems as though people are only motivated to comment on earth-shattering photos/edits. :) The subtle ones go unnoticed. Thanks anyway. Diliff 06:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Almost every time a picture is promoted, you seem to be the one that adds it to the proper pages and does all of the clean-up work. Thanks for your efforts!PiccoloNamek 06:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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Thanks for your clarification regarding FPs and POTDs. I can see they are different entities now. (I don't understand why there are two different categories, but that is not my main issue here). However, since, as you say, every FP will eventually become a POTD, and there is--as it currently stands--only one POTD allowed per day, then the number of images that become POTDs is limited to one per day, is it not? So, I still don't see how people can be saying that each article goes in on its own merits. If we had 30 awesome shots of men on the moon, would we nominate and promote all of those, when there are so many other articles with important illustrations that should be given recognition? Does that make sense? I understand that not enough FPCs are being promoted to FP status, but I don't see the solution being >1 nomination of the same thing. Jeeb 22:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket Graphs Question

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I was just curious about the running averages that you have on these graphs. Do they take into account not-out innings too? for example, If I were to play 2 innings, the first one scoring 50*, the second scoring 50, would my average be 100 or 50? If the answer is 50, it might pay to add this to your disclaimer at the bottom. Just a though. Cheers Sjkebab

Cricket graphs

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Hi there. I've been working a lot on biographies of cricket players lately and I would like to know where you get the statistics from for the individual innings (by which I mean, innings plural) in which a batsman participates. Cricketbase and Cricinfo appear to cover the first and last innings of a batsman but don't appear to specify exactly the innings he played inbetween. If there is a single place which lists all the test matches in which a batsman participates which I'm not aware of, where would it be?

I'm keen to add to these statistics as and when necessary and would like to know how to make some of my own so that I can add them to articles. Bobo192 07:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Raven4x4x said: Actually, cricinfo does give a full list of a player's innings, courtesy of a nice database called StatsGuru. Search for a player gives a whole lot of options as you will see, but I just click on 'batting formats', 'innings by innings list'. Here is the list for Don Bradman. Another great site for cricket stats is HowSTAT.

A-ha. I didn't realize that. I'll give my Excel-writing skills a test using the Cricinfo innings-by-innings list and see where that takes me.

I make the graphs using Microsoft Excel. I copy the StatsGuru list into a .txt document using notepad, then open it up using Excel. Then it's simply a matter of using formulae to calculate the sum and average of the last 10 innings, then placing them on a chart.

As I say, I'm going to attempt to write one and then put it somewhere I can find it easily to see whether or not I'm doing the right thing, and I'll take it from there. Thank you very much for supplying this information, I'm far too sure I'm going to use it in the future. Bobo192 18:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interview request

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Hi Raven4x4x, I am a journalist with The Sunday Times. I am keen to write an article about Wikipedia, with a WA angle. May I interview you? If you're keen, please contact me via dcohen@amnet.net.au or 0414 780 441. regards, David Cohen


Thor is displeased

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Can I re add Thor goes fishing? I just added a better image today and people have yet to vote on it. Thanks--Ewok Slayer --(User | Talk | Contribs) 03:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

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I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:04, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra Photos

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Hi Raven, I would very much appreciate your input in the following argument. There seems to be a gang of users unwilling to allow anyone to interfere with there Canberra project without invitation. It was risky to take my camera on our school excursion to Canberra, but I did for the sake of the photos I could upload to Wiki. Needless to say, I'm deeply distressed over the reaction that has taken place. In particular, I would like to ask if the removal of all my photos off the Lake Burley Griffin article was a step forward in the usefullness of the page. Please either voice your opinion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canberra or write back to me. Thanks for your time (and I hope) support. --Fir0002 08:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kurando-san

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Here's something I've never seen happen before; the nominator has included a date in the description of Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Felix the Cat and the bot has picked this up as the nomination date. That's something I never thought could happen, and I'll have to post a message somewhere warning people not to put any dates above the nomination date. Perhaps it would be best if the nomination pages had a line directly below the title saying "Nominated 5th December 2005" or something like that, above the description. Would the bot pick this up correctly? Is there a way to include the current time in the code, because that would be perfect and it would solve problems like this. Raven4x4x 03:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Read the bot's userpage, here. If you notice on the notes section of the page below, it has indicated that it will indeed work. The logical reasoning behind this is that I can not base the nomination on the history, as I do not reliably know which edit in the history indicates the date in which it was first nominated. --AllyUnion (talk) 09:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, no matter what the date is, it will always read the first "readable" date. Unfortunately, it was the May 15 date. You could, just add: 
<!-- ~~~~~ -->
to the template code, and it will fix all the problems... except Brian0918... who finds that he needs to be special and write his date in a format different from everyone else. --AllyUnion (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apology Accepted

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That's ok, I could bitch and moan about how parody is covered under U.S Fair Use(which is true, to my understanding), but I stopped because getting into an argument with Ral and Proto about it. Arguments are generally unproductive, and especially here since my goal was to calm WF down and that didn't seem to work all that well. I prefer being constructive rather than argumentative when I can. You might want to check this in regards to it.karmafist 00:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an admin now!!

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Hi, thanks for voting on my rfa, the final tally was 50-0-0. I know that it is a positive vote for my candidature and Durin's nomination, so I shall ensure that I'll not break the trust either you or Durin has in me. Also, I don't know if you remember it, I had the pleasant experience of getting a graph made by you for V. V. S. Laxman. Thanks a ton for building the sense of community on Wikipedia. I believe that you deserve a barnstar for your efforts and hope that it will motivate you into making more graphs apart from embarking on graphs for ODI statistics ;) Also, I gather from your talk page that you've been active in FP and POTD, good work!! --Gurubrahma 13:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Voting

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I actually only voted on the RFA because I happened by the page. I personally think that we should make it harder to become an admin, not easier. I see too many votes that are 50-0 for no sensible reason. Given that once an admin is proclaimed admin for all intents and purposes they can never be dismissed (I note there have been all of what 4 people who have ever been dismissed as admins, all through long and complicated ArbComs), I think that we should be extraordinarily wary to quickly promote someone to admin. Perhaps I was being petty there, but I for one think that he has barely done anything here. Note that he has made all of what 100 contributions to Wikipedia, other than reverting vandalism, and that, other than the past month, he had made about 10 contributions. So, whilst he started off technically in August, realistically he started in November, the same time as me. And I had a lot more edits, and I didn't spend my time reverting other people's edits - I actually contributed to Wikipedia. My edits weren't tiny either. Now, I for one think that I am so far removed from being suitable for adminship that it's not funny. I really have no idea what I am doing. Just because someone knows how to revert an edit doesn't make them worthy. If the standards are that low, then I think that there is a big problem. I for one would rather see a good contributor than someone who spends all their time reverting vandalism and telling people off. That to me says that they are someone who likes telling people off. And you know what that means, don't you? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 09:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, if we can go through each and every one of Mo0's "vandalism" reverts, and check them, and we find that at least 90% of them were actually vandalism, then I will agree with you. However, I have noticed that a lot of people regularly say "reverting vandalism" when it is not vandalism at all. One admin once reverted "vandalism" on Peter Falconio disappearance after someone had written in the names of the defence lawyers. I had to re-add them. People also often say "rvv" as a tool to fuel an edit war. So I'd like some confirmation that it really is vandalism first.

But my issue was not with regards to him making vandalism. My issue was more the issue of power. Someone who *likes* doing nasty things is likely to abuse their power. They are the kind of people who I would never allow in positions of power. I'd rather someone who hates having to do nasty things than someone who likes doing it. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the "not vandalism" reversion was this one: [2]. Mistake? Probably. Just depends on how regularly people make that kind of "mistake". Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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Sorry, i can not good english: OK: The Pullmed Basilisk is for the english Wikipedia. the Stirnlappenbasilisk is for the german Wikipeida. I have this picture two uploaded. (license) OK? cele4 09:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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Hi, one question: can you a picture nominate for me? i can not, i dont now. thanks is this picture: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:Seehund11cele4.jpg cele4 17:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK?

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Hi, i have a picture of the common seal upload. Is that good so? And look here: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:Stirnlappenbasiliskportrait.jpg cele4 07:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfC

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Am I suppose to list my original complaint on that page and receive comments from there? --KHill-LTown 05:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the assistance. --KHill-LTown 05:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Counting Votes

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In connection with the photo "Hashish shop in Kathmandu", which was a candidate for featured picture, you wrote: Not promoted This was very close, but I'm afraid I'll have to call it a no consensus. I can't see your point. There were 10 supporting and 5 opposing votes. How did you count them to get a negative result? --Roger McLassus 06:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FPC bot problem again

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Today Kurando-san performed a strange move on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lille Marsh. It was moved from third from the top of the main section (see here) to the very bottom of the section (here), but not into the older than 14 days section. Why on Earth would the bot do this all of a sudden? Raven4x4x 05:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination date was apparently changed. See [3] --AllyUnion (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

malo's RfA

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Thank you!
Thank you!
Raven4x4x, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 04:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Brandt

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Um, I was Wikipedia's number 1 supporter of Daniel Brandt :). I even got accused of being him, and got my own wikistalker because of my efforts to back him up. I was working towards trying to make everyone get along. But he then turned around and said that I was "prematurely ejaculating" over my writing to Jimbo Wales to ask him to deal with an abusive user who did a Denial of Service attack on Brandt's web site. In spite of Wales agreeing and acting to stop the abusive user, Brandt stepped in to say that he didn't want that to happen. Brandt didn't say thanks for me for getting him unbanned, or cleaning up his article, or getting everyone to make peace with him. I went through a lot of abuse to back him up, and in response he tells me that I got a few facts wrong, in other words that I am not him and don't know his every intimate detail and because he hides everything and won't tell anyone everything we have to guess. But no, he didn't say thanks because I pointed out that he didn't start Google Watch because he was upset at not being popular enough, that he wasn't an attention seeker, that his list of users isn't an attempt to invade people's privacy - that it's actually a list of suspected CIA agents, and so forth. Perhaps he objected because I refused to say that he wasn't a crackpot - maybe he took offence at that. I don't know. Basically, he stabbed me in the back. Just a little bit of thanks would have been nice, instead of threatening to expose me (state my real name and contact details and personal info that I gave to him so that he could trust me). It really upset me. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RFA

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Thanks for asking. What I usually do is page through the user's contributions in Wikipedia and Wikipedia_talk namespaces. These days, there have been a lot of nominations with a substantial lack of those (other than AFD votes, but that hardly counts for experience in my view). I believe an Admin should have reasonable experience with a couple of WikiProcesses, because admins are often called upon to adjudicate them, and because it's part of "common knowledge" I expect of established users. I realize that my criterion for adminship is more stringent than most (indeed, many people use the criterion "he seems friendly enough"), but that's really not a problem; when I oppose someone, my point is to advise them of things that could be improved; my point is not that the nomination must fail. I do hope that if/when a candidate that I opposed passes, he can still take the advice to heart and thereby improve himself (and indeed, I've gotten some positive responses along those lines). HTH! Radiant_>|< 13:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pleiades

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Hi Raven!
I think the credits should be going to Janke not me! --Fir0002 10:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notice, and happy holidays! Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

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Hi Raven! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]

Gratitude

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I appreciate that you corrected my errors, Mr. Holman. --Anglius 02:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Howcheng's RfA

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Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 06:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix

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Hi Alex,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist.

My wife sends her curses, as Wikipedia will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Wikipedia just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. Although I live in Canada now, I grew up in the East side of Australia (in a suburb of Sydney). --Deathphoenix 15:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

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Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I was promoted with a final tally of 31/1/1. Don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything I can assist. --BorgQueen 21:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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In my view moving it (the Crepuscular ray pic) to the top isn't sufficient. It needs a specific caption which actualy adds content to the article. Moving it to the top wouldn't help especially if it just moved the current FP on that article to the bottom of the page. I just don't think an article with such a short caption and surrounded by all of the other pictures can satisfy WP:WIAFP (note: I wrote that standard so of course it's biased). My opinion still stands. Broken S 05:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Arigatou.

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Raven, many heartfelt thanks for sticking with the Geisha (featured picture) while I was away. Your assistance and kindness is greatly appreciated. My thanks to all those who were involved. Have a wonderful New Year. ToddLara 21:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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