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Thank you for creating this page. I was dismayed in 2020 when so many articles of this type were purged and I'm glad to see them returning. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 2022

Thank you for your contributions. It seems that you may have added public domain content to one or more Wikipedia articles, such as Armorial of the governors-general of New Zealand. You are welcome to import appropriate public domain content to articles, but in order to meet the Wikipedia guideline on plagiarism, such content must be fully attributed. This requires not only acknowledging the source, but acknowledging that the source is copied. There are several methods to do this described at Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain sources, including the usage of an attribution template. Please make sure that any public domain content you have already imported is fully attributed. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for pointing that out. I have expanded on the attribution you added to Armorial of the governors-general of New Zealand, and also added one to Armorial of the governors general of Canada. Unfortunately, the nature of blazons of arms and the particular language they use is that there are only so many ways they can be phrased, hence why they have largely been carried over from the sources verbatim.--Radicuil (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, blazons should not for the most part be re-worded, as they use a particular language that should not be altered. Where they are not public domain, please use quotations. — Diannaa (talk) 13:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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A tag has been placed on Armorial of the governors general of Canada requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.gg.ca/en/heraldry/public-register/project/2887, https://www.gg.ca/en/heraldry/public-register/project/1824, and https://www.gg.ca/en/heraldry/public-register/project/929. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Hi @Fram. I'm hoping that this can be resolved without the entire page being deleted?

The parts that have been copied from the The Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada are the blazons for the achievements of more recent governors general of Canada. As mentioned in my chat above with Dianaa, the particular language used in blazons means that we are limited in terms of how we could paraphrase them.

Would attributing the text for those particular blazons as quotes from the source be sufficient to overcome this issue? And if so, what would be the best way to do this?

If that's not enough, is there perhaps another option that wouldn't involve deleting the whole page or a significant proportion of the information for the governors general post-1950?

I won't be able to address anything further tonight, and I possibly won't be able to get around to anything until Wednesday.--Radicuil (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there third-party sources about these armorials? If not, then why do we have this article? Do we even need the exact description as given by the website? We have the image, just explaining what the main motive is should be sufficient without the exact text. I mean, when you have the entry for Julie Payette, I can see that it has a wing, a crown, and black and blue. No need to give the exact heraldric formulation for this. But why does it have these symbols? If all you want to do is show them, then it should be a Commons category, not a Wikipedia article. If you want to give background, content, explanation, from independent sources, then it can be a Wikipedia article. As it stands, it is just a long list of copyrighted text and images (well, people have tried to avoid the copyright issue of the images by redrawing the arms of e.g. Michaëlle Jean, resulting in what is basically incorrect information, something made up by a random editor with a vague resemblance to the real deal.[1] vs. [2]? Fram (talk) 13:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not replying sooner, though I see that the deletion nomination has now been removed?

As you will notice, all of the earlier achievements do have 3rd party public domain sources.

In my experience, for more recent achievements it can be quite difficult to find reliable sources for them and/or their blazons. Though perhaps I am not looking in quite the right places, or don't have access to the best sources? While I do have an interest in the subject of heraldry, for me editing is really a casual hobby, so I'm not about to go to libraries, or buy books on heraldry or subscribe to any journals. So I have to rely on what I can find publicly available online.

Luckily in that respect, unlike other countries Canada has the The Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada, hence my use of that as a source for many of the later blazons.

If you or anyone else is able to find other reliable sources, feel absolutely free to cite them on the page.

With respect, it is my understanding (though I am no expert on heraldry) that the blazons are usually more definitive than any particular depiction, which are up to the particular interpretation of the blazon by the artist. So, I don't think you should be accusing the people who rendered those images as providing "incorrect information", as that is their interpretation, including all the features required by the blazon, without merely copying the image created by the Canadian Heraldic Authority.--Radicuil (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a friendly reminder that you shouldn't do that. Cheers, GenQuest ^"scribble" 05:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All I was trying to do was to ping a potentially interested user as per the instructions given on the Merging page, but okay.--Radicuil (talk) 05:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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