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Finnish League and Cup articles

Hi Pyhäinhäväistys. I am making contact with those Editors that take an active interest in Finnish football on English Wikipedia.

For a long time I have been happy to work on Finnish football on Wikipedia without making contact with other Finnish football enthusiasts - basically I like preparing articles / undertaking tasks that interest me and contact with others has not been important. However recently some of my work was changed by a Wikipedia Reviewer and this has led me to question what approach I should be following and indeed what approach would other Finnish football enthusiasts wish to adopt?

The current issue I face is the naming of Finnish Football League and Cup pages. I have adopted the approach that we should always be using the Finnish name in the title, for example 2007 Ykkönen and 2001 Veikkausliiga. However, I am aware that words like Mestaruussarja mean very little to most English speaking Wikipedia users. I therefore have included the English name in the title as well in recent pages, for example, 1936 Mestaruussarja – Finnish League Championship, 1938 Suomensarja – Finnish League Division 2 and 2000 Kakkonen – Finnish League Division 2. I thought that this approach might be a suitable naming convention until the Reviewer changed "2012 Suomen Cup - Finnish Cup" back to 2012 Finnish Cup.

The basic question I am asking is whether Finnish League and Cup articles should have a Finnish or English title or some form of hybrid?

I provide examples below:

Finnish Title English Title Hybrid Title 2012 Veikkausliiga 2012 Finnish Championship 2012 Finnish Veikkausliiga 2012 Kolmonen 2012 Finnish Division 3 2012 Finnish Kolmonen 2012 Suomen Cup 2012 Finnish Cup 2012 Finnish Suomen Cup 2012 Suomen Liigacup 2012 Finnish League Cup 2012 Finnish Liigacup 1938 Maakuntasarja 1938 Finnish Division 3 1938 Finnish Maakuntasarja 1954 Suomensarja 1954 Finnish Division 2 1954 Finnish Suomensarja 1970 II divisioona 1970 Finnish Division 2 1970 Finnish II divisioona 1986 III divisioona 1986 Finnish Division 3 1986 Finnish III divisioona 1997 Ykkönen 1997 Finnish Division 1 1997 Finnish Ykkönen I have read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and Wikipedia:Article titles but have not reached a firm conclusion yet on the best way forward in establishing a consistent approach. The issue does matter with respect to the corrections I must make to existing pages and the tens of pages yet to be prepared. It could also carry implications for some of the articles that you currently contribute to. I think that the matter would best be addressed on a proper basis and encourage that the issue is considered on the Talk Page of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Finland task force. If the matter is of concern to you as well, please add your name to the list of participants on the main page. You may also wish to comment on the project structure that I have prepared. I think that we may have previously corresponded on the FutisForum2! Kind regards - (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 14:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)). Re: Finnish League and Cup articles Hi. My humble opinion is that the Finnish names of the competitions should be used whenever possible. So Suomen Cup instead of Finnish Cup, Kolmonen instead of Division 3 etc. When you look at the Spanish football league system article here for example, they also have all the competition names in Spanish. And yes, we've "met" at FF2 previously. :) And thanks for the help with Mikkelin Kissat's season to season positions by the way! (sorry if this is in the wrong section, I really suck at using Wikipedia) Pyhäinhäväistys (talk) 03:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC) Hi. Many thanks for your response which I will add to the Talk Page of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Finland task force article. This will enable others to see your comments. I was quietly frustrated that I could not provide the V divisioona details for Mikkelin Kissat for 1984! I have set up the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Finland task force to try to encourage good practice. For the Group to be viable it needs to have 3 or 4 members to start with. Is it possible for me to add your name to the participants. I just need a bit of advice now and again. Kind regards (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 13:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)). Yes, you can add my 'nick' there and I'll try to help if you need any and if I can.  :) MiKi's V divisioona season is definitely problematic since there aren't any public documents about such low football tiers from the 80's. All I know is that MiKi won every game that season so they were definitely the first in the table and got promoted, but I have no idea what was their group's name/number. I'm not even sure if V divisioona was governed by the SPL Saimaa district or SPL itself... Pyhäinhäväistys (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC) Thanks Pyhäinhäväistys - much appreciated! I think that you will find that the V divisioona in 1984 was run by SPL Saimaan piiri. SPL would have been running IV divisioona at that time. Kind regards (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 19:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)). Ok, I'll trust your information and put Saimaa in MiKi's section/lohko in 1984. Thanks! Pyhäinhäväistys (talk) 19:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC) ArbCom elections are now open! Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)