User talk:Privatehudson

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Djegan 14:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. The submission has not been accepted because it included copyrighted information, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 14:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Futurist

Hi

About the copyright issue. I used the information from there as I am good friends with the blogs owner, and in far edited several sections of the blog, including all the history sections. Not sure how to proceed, but could Lesley email you with permission providing in affect creative Commons? I only did the work because she doesn't have a wiki account or experience to create such a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Privatehudson (talk • contribs) 15:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No matter any more, the page was deleted by Tonywalton last night. I find it very frustrating that he has done this without having the courtesy to check whether I'd tried to address the issue first. I'm now going to have to re-write the entire thing from scratch including sorting out the formatting again. I'll take that up with him though, not your fault, just thought I'd make you aware that this is a somewhat moot question now.

Privatehudson (talk) 09:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hiyas there Hudson,

The removal of the page is unfortunately a result of the way copyright works. Since the article was copied from another website without clear copyright status the page was essentially a copyright violation which is against the law. Actually i should have removed the page myself when i saw that, but i kind of prefer a second set of eyes before pressing the "nuke" button.

As for some good news though: Deleted article's on Wikipedia aren't entirely gone. In fact, the only thing that happens when an article is deleted is that they are made invisible \ inaccessible to anyone without administrative permissions. This means that the article can also be restored with its former content and formatting without to much of a hassle if so required.

As for the copyright issue itself, there are two ways to proceed:

You could add a disclaimer on the blog itself, stating that the content is released under an open policy compatible with Wikipedia such as CC-BY-SA (Akin to the Copyright: 2012 small text often present on websites).
An alternative to this is releasing the copyrighted materials for use on Wikipedia. Note that this is essentially the same thing as suggestion one (Everyone can use the material you created, not just Wikipedia), though in this case there is no need for a licensing small print on the page.

If you are fine with releasing the copyright in this manner and choose option 1, just give me a nudge on my talk page when the disclaimer is up. I'll be more then happy to restore the removed page for you. In case of option 2 a member of the OTRS team is likely to ask an administrator to do so as well, so in most cases that option should sort itself out.

Hope this helps, and with kind regards, Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 12:57, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Excirial

I'm sorry if I've caused any trouble, hopefully you can appreciate that I'm new to creating articles, so when I heard that the page had been deleted, and hadn't received any prior contact from the person who did so, I just assumed it had gone for good. Unfortunately had Tony sent me something at the time of the deletion it would have saved a lot of confusion. His action also removed from view the instruction you had previously sent me about the copyright issue, so thanks for sending it again. I just didn't realise that the article can still be restored and approved just as soon as the copyright issue is cleared up. I fully understand now about the copyright thing and can appreciate its important.

Tony did send a reply to me earlier today to say that it has now been put under my user space (User:Privatehudson/The Futurist Cinema, Liverpool) so I'mn guessing that it would need to be restored from there?

Anyway I'm going to add the following to the blog's history pages (all the info used comes from those three) "The information on this page is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License." I used the Creative Commons website to get the text.

Would this be sufficient for the purpose of your first suggestion, or do you suggest something else? If its OK I'll add it asap and then let you know.

Thanks for your help

Neil Privatehudson (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hiyas there Neil,

Don't worry, you didn't cause any trouble whatsoever. Wikipedia can be quite the confusing place when you just start out and the amount of policies doesn't help either. Besides, the word "Delete" normally doesn't mean "Hide it from public view" so that often causes some confusion. The article itself was already restored by Tony, and he moved it to a subpage for your account so that you can continue working on it just like before. As for the copyright - adding that line to the history pages is perfect, as that clearly indicated the content is released under a license that can be used on Wikipedia.

On to something slightly different: I had a look at the page itself and made a few changes to the page and its structure so that its structure and formatting is more in line with the other article's out there. (There is actually a Manual of Style that contains literally everything regarding page formatting. But do yourself a favor and don't even try to read it for a first page since it is ungodly large and overly detailed). There are also a few suggestions i would have for the page itself (Note that none of these are crucial to get the article accepted though):

You may want to add interwiki links in the article. That is, links that users can click to navigate to relevant other pages. Some easy to follow help for that is present here: User:Chzz/help/linking.
You may want to change your references to inline citations, which allow users to quickly see what reference is used for what part of the text. Some easy to follow help for this can be found here: User:Chzz/help/ref

You may also notice the "Sandbox" header i placed about the page. I mostly placed it because it contains a link that can be used to submit the article for another review. Otherwise it would be a matter of placing the template manually, but without guidance or knowing the template that can be a bit of a hassle. If you want it gone, just remove the {{user sandbox}} text from the top of the article while in edit mode.

Kind regards, Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 21:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

First of all thank you for the work you did tidying up the article, I really appreciate both this and the helpful suggestions that you made. I've done some editing of the : article itself based on your reccomendations, and also edited the blog's history pages to add the line we discussed. I wanted to get your opinion before submitting the article, also when it is submitted, I presume someone will re-check the blog to make sure that the information used is now listed as copyright free?

Regards and best wishes for 2013!

86.27.175.57 (talk) 17:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hiyas there Neil,

First off, also best wishes for 2013 to you! I gad another look at the article, and it is a definite improvement over the last version. The only point i'd raise is that the article contains an opinion here an there - though this is really a minor issue. Examples would be "to be the leading cinema of the circuit" (Which is a so-called peacock word) and "Luckily it was rebuilt" which (strictly taken) is an opinion. Sound like nitpicking? Not a strange thing, since that is what it really is. As for the review - adding it back to the queue will result in someone giving the current article another fresh look which will likely (and should!) include another copyright violation check. That one should turn out ok though, since i can see that the blog is now correctly marked as CC-BY-SA.

There are some things that i should point out though. First, expect that if will take quite a bit longer before the review will be done - It is not rare for article's to be in the queue for over a week or even longer before it is picked up. The reason the previous review was so fast, is because i tend to do a quick check on new article's for problems (If there is a severe problem that would always cause a decline, it makes no sense to have people wait a week for that). Second i cannot guarantee that the article will be accepted - another reviewer may spot something that i missed or didn't check for. Even so, in its current state it is definitely well prepared to face that trial. Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I've made a few ammendments, submitted the results and will see how it goes. Thanks once again.

Privatehudson (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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