User talk:Pppery/Archive 16

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Decapitalisation

Hi, I just reverted this to a previous version. Some of your small edits got caught up in this revert. I think I've put them all back. Could you please check? Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

BN

Minor point for the record, may want to tweak your closure to specify imposter account rather than sock? Step hen 22:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

They're also a sockpuppet, per the edit summary of their block. I've done that change anyway, since there's no harm in being clearer. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Mental health of Asian Americans

Hi, so I am creating the article on mental health of Asian Americans, I feel strongly that the numbers should actually be there for the hotline. While yes, this is an educational source, this particular article may attract people who are in need of these resources. I therefore think that it is important that they are there. So, I would appreciate it if you would leave them as a part of the article. Thanks so much for your contributions! Neha576 (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to keep edit warring with you over this, but I maintain that listings of phone numbers are inappropriate in articles on general principle, and contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. That aside, language like Calling this number will allow you to reach healthcare providers that can aid with mental health struggles is entirely unencyclopedic; Wikipedia articles should not talk directly to the reader. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

FASTER (NZX)

Hi. Just a courtesy heads-up about a discussion I have opened about FASTER (NZX), which you have proposed for moving, at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#FASTER (NZX). Cheers. Nurg (talk) 00:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help around the Angela Jacksons

		The Original Barnstar
		You have been lovely in helping me clean up the set of pages I was adding to today. My work was a bit messy, and you made it better. Thank you! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 05:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery:, I do have a follow-on question, though, and since you have been in the weeds with me I'm going to ask you: So, Angela Jackson is a writer, and Angela Jackson (writer) is a writer, so I feel like the parenthetical notes are confusing. Like they should be Angela Jackson (poet) and Angela Jackson (historian). Now, I am getting started drafting Angela Jackson (she is a male basketball coach) and. there appears to maybe be a collegiate player at Texas, Angela Jackson, who died recently but was quite notable during her forshortened career. So: I understand not building for future pages, but I am about to start these pages. May I ask you to advise me on how to create clarity among them with page titles if one-word summaries are insufficient? Thank you Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 16:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, that's a mess. The first question to ask is which person (if any) is the primary topic for "Angela Jackson". Whoever is the primary topic belongs at Angela Jackson with no parenthetical, and the disambiguation page belongs there if there is no primary topic. Assuming no one's the primary topic, the best disambiguation for the two writers is either your suggestion or Angela Jackson (American writer) vs. Angela Jackson (British writer). For the basketball players, WP:NCBASKETBALL says to disambiguate by birth year ("Angela Jackson (basketball, born YYYY)"), but the problem is that the current article does not state the birth year, and nor did any of the sources I checked. So, I have no idea what to do. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery: Thanks -- learned some stuff from your response and also agree that the information is a bit thin on the ground ins some parts. Maybe the others will have a birthyear and then I can clarify at least a bit. Appreciative of your sharing of knowledge. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

For you

		The Original Barnstar
		For maintaining a sense of civility in the face of some moody reaction to your attempt to help Nosebagbear (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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undo changes for Nextcloud

Hi Pppery,

I noticed you undo changes made by me along with some old text existed before.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Nextcloud&diff=prev&oldid=1125422186

Could you please explain what is wrong with chapters regarding Nextcloud AIO and Nextcloud VM? For me it sounds inconsistent to mention Nextcloud Box introduced 2016 (which is discontinued now) but not refer to current existing implementations? https://nextcloud.com/devices/

For FOSS software referring to the Github repository sounds useful for me as well.

As I consider Nextcloud is very important software suite I'm willing to improve this article further - let me know which areas you feel could be improved? Wwe226 (talk) 09:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The problem is the lack of secondary sources. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

thank you for the answer. Both mentioned chapters could are tightly related to the main project I was under impression URL pointing to the Github repository with docs, source code and bug tracker should be enough. Similar articles e.g. Microsoft 365 list parts of the software like outlook.com without any citation as well. Wwe226 (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The key distinugishing feature there is that the things being listed have their own articles, which include relevant secondary sources. Remember that the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide an encyclopedic discussion of the software, not a manual for it as some of your edits come close to doing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I definitely didn't intend a manual - enough exist on the internet - my intention was to describe different architectures supported by system. Maybe wording is not ideal but I assume such list is very useful to describe the software to a reader. Maybe you can refer me to a good example? Wwe226 (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Why should Wikipedia care about discussing those features if secondary sources don't? I feel that the content I didn't remove provides a good enough description of the software. Maybe you can refer me to a good example - see Wikipedia:Good articles/Engineering and technology#Software and Wikipedia:Featured articles#Computing for some of Wikipedia's highest-quality articles on software as assessed by the community. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I spend time reviewing multiple "good articles" and lot of them have even worse ratio of secondary resources. e.g. Windows Server 2012 41 of 74 citations are from Microsoft as vendor, Windows_Speech_Recognition 39 of 64 citations are from Microsoft as vendor (maybe more as lot of are "archived"). The Nextcloud article has far more external references. The fact there is no citation doesn't mean there is no external source - it just means it was not provided. Now the article is very short compared to the huge functionality and importance of the software being may be the last free collaboration software competing with hyperscalers like Google and Microsoft and it makes it really hard to provide good value if somebody silently removes important fact just due to feeling it's not important.. Wwe226 (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Talk page archives

At least such talk page message is no longer being read (and for other users needing it, they are still in page history). Nevertheless, the banned banner should be displayed prominently in the talk page so that others will know when viewing it (and also the template will add an opt-out from mass message category). GZWDer (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

For User_talk:أسامة/أسـامـة, this is where the talk page previously redirected to.--GZWDer (talk) 16:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and I treated it as analagous to a page-move archival, and I'm not aware of any convention to blank even talk page archives. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

It is displayed prominently even in my version. I completely fail to see the benefit of hiding both the link to the archives and the discussion about the global ban taking place there. (For any confused talk page stalkers, this is about User talk:4nn1l2) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

DHCP Software

Hi Pppery, You recently removed the Jagornet DHCP server from this wikipedia page - https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Comparison_of_DHCP_server_software. Your comment indicates "notable entries only". While the other servers that you removed are indeed no longer notable or active, the Jagornet DHCP server is a notable implementation. It has a complete feature set, including support for DHCPv4 and DHCPv6, and has been actively maintained for over 13 years. A quick look at GitHub shows that the ISC DHCP server has 67 stars, Kea DHCP has 298, and Jagornet DHCP has 88 stars. While I understand that GitHub stars is just one measurement of the relevance of software, there have been thousands of downloads as well. Jagornet also includes features such as a REST API and Docker images which it make it interoperable with modern software stacks and tools. For these reasons, I would like to respectfully request that Jagornet DHCP be added back to this page. Agrabil (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

"Notable" means "has a Wikipedia article", not my own subjective assessment of its importance. Jagornet DHCP has been explicitly judged not notable by that definition. I decline. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:12, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Anthony Azekwoh

Hi @Pppery you marked Anthony Azekwoh for speedy deletion? This article is a new article different from what was created last year December 2021. Instead of deleting the article what not approve and work on it or allow other editors to work on it or atleast highlight what the problem is so correction can be effected. You know it’s not an easy task writing articles and doing research on the topics. George Nyiam (talk) 07:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not convinced, but in any case another admin has already decliened the speedy deletion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:25, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Renaming wiki ed course pages

Well, then perhaps somebody should fix the dashboard so that it does start following redirects the same way any other Wikipedia content would, because I had no responsibility to have already known any of that. Bearcat (talk) 17:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

https://github.com/WikiEducationFoundation/WikiEduDashboard/issues/5225. For any confused talk page stalkers, this is a response to User talk:Bearcat#Renaming wiki ed course pages * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Comparison of web search engines

You ruined 5 hours research for me by removing a bunch of web search engines in https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_web_search_engines&diff=1118618562&oldid=1118163130. The point was obviously that people should add data to them. Feel free to restore them. --Bawanio (talk) 02:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I decline. No one was interested in adding data for a month, and the purpose of "comparison" articles is to provide meaningful comparisons, not mere lists. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Don't be silly, as I said, people will add data if they find empty cells. --Bawanio (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I prefer to extrapolate from what actually happened, rather than your faith. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:30, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, you removed them after one month. --Bawanio (talk) 03:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I restored the entries and added HTTPS status in Comparison_of_web_search_engines#Digital_rights which is actually useful. --Bawanio (talk) 03:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced that's useful since all but one entry is HTTPS-available. But I also don't care enough to revert you, so lets just agree to disagree. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Actually two entries, I just added Blackle. Sure. --Bawanio (talk) 03:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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Orphaned talk subpage

Hello, Pppery,

MediaWiki talk:Abusefilter-degrouped/sandbox showed up on a database report for orphaned talk subpages even though it seems like MediaWiki:Abusefilter-degrouped/sandbox exists and therefore it isn't orphaned. We typically delete orphaned talk pages and talk subpages unless they are actively being kept for archived article talk pages so I'm not sure about a MediaWiki sandbox talk page and whether or not there is any feasible way that this page could have a use. What do you think? Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea why I specifically was asked this, but I'll answer anyway: for inherently protected namespaces like the MediaWiki namespace, the general convention is to put user-editable pages like /sandbox in the talk namespace (i.e MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages/doc). So this isn't an orphaned talk page and shouldn't be deleted for that reason. It is, on the other hand, clearly useless for reasons roughly similar to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blocked, so would support deleting the page at MfD. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:33, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

I asked you, dear * Pppery *, because you always seem to have all of the answers like you did again. I clearly came to the right person! Thank you for giving me your opinion on this page. I know nothing about MediaWiki pages or even what they are used for so this is all new information to me. Thanks again! Happy holidays! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Patchwork Heroes

Hello, thank you for helping with Patchwork Heroes. Most of my work on the page consisted of translating the existing Japanese article (along with looking up references to support notability), and I understand the Japanese Wiki has much different standards. However, I followed the link you cited and saw this: If the soundtrack has been released on a widely distributed physical medium, it can be acceptable to include an infobox for the soundtrack alongside discussion in the "Development" section (for example, see Journey (2012 video game)); non-free cover art must meet the WP:Non-free content guidelines to be included in this infobox.

As third party news did report on the soundtrack CD (a widely distributed physical medium), I will be reinstating this information (along with the citation) under the infobox rather than under its own section as it had been. Thank you again, and best wishes for the upcoming new year.Londonbeat41692 (talk) 03:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Module:Weather box/row/doc

For future reference, please use the noinclude thingy or the speedy deletion template appears on the main module as well (can't really explain it better, I'm not really that tech-savvy...). Cheers. $Salvio$ 20:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Oops. I totally knew that, as a regular deletion nominator of templates and modules, but it seems to have slipped my mind. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Pppery,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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