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November 2024

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Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 16:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for Assuwa etymologies?

Hey there and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm always glad to see new users working on Ancient Near East articles. But I wanted to ask–– where are you getting these etymologies for Assuwa from? In the text for the Indo-Aryan etymology, you cite this book, but nothing comes up when I search in it for "Aššuwa" or "Assuwa" or any spelling variant. Am I overlooking something? Botterweg (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find that citation on the page. Can you locate it for me? Thanks. Permanentaccounts (talk) 02:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, tis the wrong cite. Am in process of citing the correct source. Thanks for pointing this out. Permanentaccounts (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help! Botterweg (talk) 02:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing problems in recent edits

A number of your edits have introduced incorrect information, unsourced information, or misstate what is in the given source. On Arzawa, you changed the country's native name to 𐎧𐏁𐏂, which does not say "ar-za-wa" but in fact says "X-šā-ça", which is the Old Persian name for the Achaemenid Empire. On Assuwa, I had a number of concerns which I've laid out in edit summaries, and I'm still curious what your inspiration was for the Indo-Iranian etymology.

Of course mistakes happen, especially when you're new. I broke plenty of things when I started here, and I still catch myself making stupid mistakes. But I guess I'd ask you to read over WP:VERIFY and to be more careful until you feel confident that your work is as high-quality as you would want it to be. The various guidelines and policies are long and annoyingly written and it's normal to learn things "on the job", but what's crucial is that your edits should be accurately summarizing what's reported in high quality secondary sources. Botterweg (talk) 22:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Case in point, you are correct and I was incorrect about whether the primary source mentions Assuwa. I do see it mentions "Keftiu and Isy". However, this still isn't a proper source for the article text since it is a primary source. (There are surely good secondary sources out there that would discuss this text, though I don't know of any myself. You might ask for suggestions on the WikiProject Ancient Near East talk page. Botterweg (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arzawa was a template error. Used another template to fix formatting but forgot to change the Old Persian to Hittite.

Have read WP:VERIFY. Thanks. Permanentaccounts (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. I have added a sentence to the end of the Location section that reads:

It is linked in fourteenth century BC Egyptian records with Hatti and Arzawa^[1]^[2]

Copies of the works can be found here:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Linguistic_and_Cultural_Interactions_bet/Eos5EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Linguistic_and_Cultural_Interactions_bet/Eos5EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0

The exact quotes are:

"Isy is best identified with Assuwa or Aššuwa of the Hittite texts."

"Assuwa has sometimes been tentatively linked to an Egyptian toponym, I-s-y-w. This occurs in part of a geographical list on a statue base from Kom-el-Hetan in Egypt (14th BC), which included Hatti, Arzawa (Irtw) and I-s-y-w, all apparently Anatolian territories. Gander suggests that these should be understood as the three great kingdoms of W. Anatolia at the time."

2. I have also deleted the sourced Redman text from the end of History as erroneous/superfluous.

3. I have added sources to the "matter of debate" in Locations and added new sourced text to the end of that section.

--Permanentaccounts (talk) 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Strange, John (2023). Caphtor/Keftiu: A New Investigation. Brill. p. 19. ISBN 9789004664074.
^ Biancon, Michele. Linguistic and Cultural Interactions Between Greece and Anatolia: In Search of the Golden Fleece, p. 169. (2021). Netherlands: Brill.

[Strange-1] Strange, John (2023). Caphtor/Keftiu: A New Investigation. Brill. p. 19. ISBN 9789004664074.

[2] Biancon, Michele. Linguistic and Cultural Interactions Between Greece and Anatolia: In Search of the Golden Fleece, p. 169. (2021). Netherlands: Brill.

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