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City of Brno

Thank you very much indeed for your recent editings of the City of Brno page, Paul B. I was really pleased to see that you have shown interest in this city to which I have a special relationship. Have you ever been there or have you some questions in connection with Brno? --Zbrnajsem (talk) 10:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Good morning, Paul B. Please look at my talk page for some comments. --Zbrnajsem (talk) 10:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hartlepool war memorials

I didn't want to post this on the talk page to start a new round of ruckus, but I started the Redheugh Gardens War Memorial article so that I could link to it when I finish research about the connection to the two Hartlepool memorials from PJ's notes. However, it just dawned on me: 1) PJ added a lot of comments to the BLB listing for the Redheugh Gardens War Memorial - and 2) the Redheugh Garden's page isn't protected.

If I add a link on the West Hartlepool War Memorial article, am I opening up a new can of worms?

By the way, I'm not even 1/2 way through the previous article - I'm just about to get into the two town's business - if you want to tackle that part, though, that would be lovely.--CaroleHenson (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Report of the Secretary-General's Panel of Experts on Accountability in Sri Lanka

I have brought this a week ago to ANI and on the advice of an Admin, one of the editors has taken this issue to the DRN and it was resolved. But User:Himesh84 is constantly pushing his Original Research as a single person. Since you have already involved in the Sri Lanka related issues on defense.lk and Lies Agreed Upon, I need your involvement how to tackle this user who is so adamant to listen others and pushing his Original Research aggressively without heeding the Wikipedia guidelines.Sudar123 (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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John Ruskin

You will not misbehave. Ruskin is an economist. If you have doubts, I'll sort them, but you will not mutter. .....muttering is not acceptable.:)))

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Douglas Bader

Hi Paul, love your stuff on the Druids, but can you tell me if Douglas Bader appeared in episode 2 of the Prisoner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.0.124 (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

He was number 2 in number 2. Or half of him was. Paul B (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Alfred Watkins

Hi Paul, You may have noticed that I have reverted a couple of deletions made by a unregistered editor on the Alfred Watkins article. I think the mention of The View over Atlantis is important, but this person seems to want a "edit war". If this carries-on, I will request either a block or Page Protection. I hope I would have your support in this? Best regards, David David J Johnson (talk) 15:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Ruskin

Hi Paul, thanks for your edits to Ruskin. I note you have removed a number of solid references and added a large amount of text that is entirely unreferenced. As you know additions need good references. I won't revert it but please add cites asap. Thanks. Span (talk) 18:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

My apologies. It's been a long day. Span (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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de Vere portrait

Paul, is there any way you could check on this file? It purports to be a portrait of John de Vere, 15th Earl of Oxford, but the artist lived too late and it appears to me to be a case of mistaken identity. Meanwhile I'm gonna replace it with an authentic portrait. Tom Reedy (talk) 03:08, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks more like Robert Devereux, 3rd Earl of Essex (Lord Chamberlain} or Montagu Bertie, 2nd Earl of Lindsey, Lord Great Chamberlain. Were there other white-staff-bearing offices? Johnbod (talk) 11:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The Lord Chamberlain held the white staff, not the Lord Great Chamberlain. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Christies just call it 'unidentified male' in a 2010 sale. The inscription that identifies it as John de Vere also attributes it to a "Gibson". It could be Henry de Vere, 18th Earl of Oxford. Paul B (talk) 11:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Paul. Do you think that the inscription was added later or is possibly being misread? Tom Reedy (talk) 12:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

A couple of other things

I've seen this portrait claimed to be of the 16th earl, but the bone structure, etc. seems to be consistent with the 1575 portrait. Any opinion? The file was scanned from a later edition of Looney.

Also I don't think this picture is of Oxford, because as far as I've been able to determine, holding the sword of state was not the Lord Great Chamberlain's duty. I'm trying to access a copy of A.J.M. Baker's *The Office of Lord Great Chamberlain of England: An Historical and Modern Study* (2005) to check. AFAIK, the person who identified the figure as Oxford is Dr. Michael Delahoyde, who is not a reliable authority. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

According to this site, the Lord Great Chamberlain did hold the sword of state at the opening of Parliament, but it was not delivered to him until the Parliament opened by the Gentleman Usher to the Sword of State, so the image might be of the Usher. If it is of Oxford as the LGC, I doubt if the visage is meant to be accurate. Tom Reedy (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

So the Earl of Hertford is the man holding the sword and the rest of her train was just left out by the artist. Can you read the caption beneath the image? Tom Reedy (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Be sure to take your camera! I changed the file description on WM but not the name, that has to be requested. Tom Reedy (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The trouble with phone cameras is the quality. A good digital camera is as good as a scan as long as it's steady. I never had any problem with taking pictures in the archives at Kew, but the only pictures I took at the BM were in public areas, so I don't know what their policy is on archival material. Probably the same old ineffectual "copyright" claim. Tom Reedy (talk) 14:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Paul, did you rename that file? I went to put a renaming template on it but it has disappeared. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The BM don't normally allow photography of stuff not on display. Johnbod (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Leonardo comment

Hi, your Leonardo comment on the Shroud page was exactly right. Puckett still has a book out there, but that is the nature of that topic. As stated on my user page, I am becoming less and less active on Wikipedia, and I have been asking suitable editors to see if they can watch a few pages which I will watch less and less often. After that edit I thought you may have enough interest to watch that page.

In fact the page has been very stable for such a controversial topic and if you look at the history will see that it has had very few edits since last June. It used to be utter chaos 3 years ago, but it has since reached stability, in that most perspectives have been covered. There is a user Thucyd who edits there at times and he knows 100 times more about the topic than myself, so that has been helpful. The flip-side of that coin have been many IPs that at times say they are "friends of" Vincenzo Ruello then admit to being Ruello himself, etc. They have been away for a while after they were all blocked out. So the page is quite stable, and just needs occasional watching. If you feel like doing that, it will be great. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Bate, bots, & Garber

I also thought it was persuasively academic in tone and thus appropriate--but concluded, post-bot, I am also too new to reliably judge that sort of thing. I've been wondering if it's legitimate to add a photo to Marjorie Garber's page from her website. I can't do it yet as my account has not been confirmed? Cfsibley (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hitler's vegetarianism

Just following Wikipedia:Verifiability. The article lead was certainly not following NPOV, as it did not include any arguments against him being vegetarian. I disagree that the article "gives the view that Hitler was not a vegetarian far too much weight." If anything to me the article gives undue weight on him being a vegetarian. The article name is "Adolf Hitler's vegetarianism", not "Adolf Hitler's diet." Nirvana2013 (talk) 19:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

If you want to change the lead to NPOV by incorporating Ryan Berry and other critics instead of Robert Payne, feel free. Although please note Ryan Berry uses Robert Payne's work as a major source in his book Hitler: Neither Vegetarian Nor Animal Lover. By the way, it does not follow Wikipedia's guidelines excluding Robert Payne (a renowned biographer) because you or historians disagree with him. Nirvana2013 (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hence I did not call him "renowned" in the article, as that would be POV. Lets just say the book is a reliable source then, as per WP:BLPSOURCES i.e. not self-published, not primary, not original research, not libel and not tabloid. You can always add a sentence from a secondary source disagreeing with Robert Payne's assessment that Hitler's asceticism was just propaganda e.g. "Although biographer x believes Payne's view on Hitler's asceticism was incorrect because..." Nirvana2013 (talk) 07:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Moved (now lengthy) discussion to Talk:Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism#Robert_Payne for the record and for other editors to view. Nirvana2013 (talk) 12:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

In thanks for your spotting and fixing the one wikilink I seem not to have checked for disambigs - although I think the foreigners would still have worked it out from its position at the top of the list! Thanks though. (Baklava first attested in English in 1650 apparently, so maybe Shakespeare knew of it) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Request that topic ban be lifted

Hi Paul,

I've made a request that the topic ban be lifted [1]. I hope I can count on your support. NinaGreen (talk) 18:08, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

hello user talk:Paul Barlow how are you today?Bratanna95(talk)November9,2012 11:23a.m. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bratanna95 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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Age of Diviciacus

Thank you for your question on a cite for the age of Diviciacus. I will look into it as soon as I get a chance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chunterkap (talk • contribs) 20:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

United Nations

I have created a sub section here on "UN admits Sri Lanka civil war failure"; Please review.Sudar123 (talk) 07:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Re EthelMermanknows

You might wanna check out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/HenryVIIIyes. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

A network of vandals with an agenda?

I noticed this comment on a user's (Jon C.) Talk page. He has vandalized my edits (all pages related to Lost Ten Tribes propaganda (British and Japanese)) and seems to be collaborating with others, often reverting my reversions and adjustments almost immediately after I address his vandalism. He's already archived a comment I left yesterday indicating that I would report him the next time he touched one of my edits without addressing it through a Talk page.

[3] LOL Yep, good one! Paul Barlow eats it. 15:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by You Can Act Like A Man (talk • contribs)

I noticed something similar on You Can Act Like A Man's sandbox as well as the correlative user talk page. It does indeed smack of agenda. Cfsibley (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

"You Can Act Like a Man" has apparently decided he's in some sort of feud with me because of a dispute about the page on Richard III of England (he's one of those people who has decided that Richard was really a nice guy, awesome ruler and loving uncle, so the page should not say bad stuff about him derived from that notorious hack Shakespeare). Unfortunately he does not seem to be living up to his user name. Paul B (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes thank you for your two-dimensionalism. You have the nerve to even USE the word 'childish'!!! You Can Walk Like A'Gyptian  ;) (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I have never behaved in anything like the petty and vindictive way you do. So you can just drop your bangles. Paul B (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I'm on the right page now.

Jon C. has been reverting my edits, I'm now watching his Talk page and when I saw that he'd archived something and decided to check it, I saw that my edit had been removed, and noticed the cited comment. Since we collaborated in the effort that culminated with your uploading a new lead image to the BI page, I found the occurrence of your name in such a derogatory context to represent a coincidence that beckoned for investigation.

This is a list I've started of the people that would seem to be collaborating on the basis of advanced coordination with ::Jon C.:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:HighKing

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Zad68

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Jayjg

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Scotstarvit

Some of the posts in question contained elements of OR, and were posted before I was aware of Wikipedia policy. Only Jon C. has obstinately attempted to prevent my editing of the content of the pages in question in a continuous and obstructive manner, however. On the other hand, there was what appeared to be a tightly timed collaboration between Jon C. and HighKing on the Hata clan article page. If you check that page, you will see that it is directly related to the same subject matter that BI is. --Ubikwit (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit

Regarding User:You Can Act Like A Man

No idea who he is or what that message on my talk what about (I don't think I've ever interacted with either of you), but I've removed it. I've also blanked the personal attack in his sandbox. Best, — Jon C.^ॐ 20:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Sri Lanka

User:Qwyrxian, an Administrator, I think in a border line violation of his Admin tools. He reverted the disputed content and then protecting the page with his own explanation on the talk page. Since I also once reverted the disputed content, I think, your opinion would be helpful on the talk page Sri Lanka.Sudar123 (talk) 11:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Mediterranean race

Thanks. We seem to have a problem here. I warned him about minor edits a few minutes ago, but there seems to be a pattern. Ironic that he added a random website while deleting other stuff because he doesn't like the source. Dougweller (talk) 09:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Revisionism strikes again

Hi. Just have a quick look at the history of the Lady Eleanor Talbot article and tell me what you think. Deb (talk) 12:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

There you go - looks like your edits have approval from a proper historian, LOL! Deb (talk) 08:51, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I was oblivious to what had been going on with that other contributor until I just glanced at his talk page! Deb (talk) 12:06, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Richard Dawkins

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I would like to know your opinion on this. Thanks--User 99 119 (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Wolter

I've mentioned him at WP:COIN. I don't think he'll get very far making a complaint, but I've made sure whoever responds to it knows the background. Dougweller (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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Image on Reform and criticism section on United Nations

Civilians are being displaced in Northern Sri Lanka during the final months of the war. A review of UN action criticized the UN leadership, UN Security Council and top UN officials in Sri Lanka.

I have re-added the above image which is removed by User:Rich Farmbrough without edit summary on the Reform and criticism section on United Nations; since the image depicts one of the worst human tragedies human kind ever faced and reviewed by the UN itself its fault and found guilty.Sudar123 (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Scanning pictures

Paul, do you have any tips for scanning pictures from books? I've been having trouble losing the dots. Maybe I should scan at a lower resolution? Tom Reedy (talk) 02:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

ArnaizVillena

Dear Paul, this is in brief what happened supported by official pùblic documents.If anybody wants to add anyhing else based on reliable sources it should be done.Paul please be reasonable .If you want adding anything else , please do it.But it is based in public documents which supports the case.Not the corrupted Spanish society orPortAngeles (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC) its reflection:newspapers.PortAngeles (talk) 22:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC) Categories (++): Biography articles of living people You may not speak Spanish as a mother tongue Please make somebody translating the paragraph.Before taking further steps. Thank you Sincerely PAPortAngeles (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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	Happy New year! Basket Feudalist 13:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Your humour is as opaque to me as ever I'm afraid! However, happy new year to you too. Paul B (talk) 13:41, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

William 'Bill' Corbett

Paul that article should be deleted. There's no notability, and the only RS source, the NYT "interview", is not in fact an interview or even about that guy. It looks to me like this is a case of promotion. Thoughts? Tom Reedy (talk) 19:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Celts (modern)

I wonder what's going to happen to this? I'd forgotten that the criticism section was removed. Dougweller (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Kikkuli

This is basically fringe, based on self-published work by A. Nyland. Maryannu Press, "Smith and Sterling Publishers" and Kikkuli Press all seem to publish only her stuff - she also uses Amazon's self-publishing CreateSpace. Dougweller (talk) 09:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Restored earlier version. The editor who added the material is clearly - well, you can guess. Dougweller (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I've been reverted - I've explained on the talk page that all her books are self-published, and I can't see an exemption for her. Even her qualifications aren't for Hittite. I'll have to take this to RSN if you both disagree, sorry. I feel strongly about self-published books by non-notable people. Dougweller (talk) 15:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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response to your message regarding my edit request

I got your message (pasted below). The Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault (CCASA) does not publish up-to-date national statitics and we never have -- this was simply listed on our website along with a number of other statistics that were not from our own research. This was apparently then linked by whoever posted the info on wikipedia originally. If you need another national statistic, please use the one below and take the link to our very old and outdated site off of wikipedia (it is incredibly misleading, both in terms of the statistic and that it appears to be our current website, we get angry emails about it daily):

Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration.

Hi, you wrote on the Rape statistics page "I deleted the statistic that's sourced back to the Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault. I am the director of that organization and the link is outdated and that statistic is no longer accurate." As I am sure you understand, we cannot just accept the word of an anonymous editor that you you are who you say you are - not that I have any reason to doubt you. However, if you are the director then presumably you can tell ius what the most up to date statistics published by the Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault are, and provide the proper reference. That would help to improve the article. Paul B (talk) 11:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Erin Jemison CCASA Executive Director Ejemison (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Dutchman?

Regarding your revert, please see my comment. In your edit summary, I don't know whom you include in "we", and it's "La traviata", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bhavishya Purana

Hi, I just caught your reply - I presume the IP is wanting to add something like this:

• The Holy Quran with English Translation and Commentary Page 1807 Bashīruddīn Maḥmūd Aḥmad, Tahir Ahmad - 1988 "He replied, 'it is love, truth and purity of heart and on account of this I am called 'Isa Masih.' (Sutta. Bhavishya Maha Purana, P. 282, translated by Dr. Shiv Nath Shastri and quoted by Robert Graves and Joshua Podro in "Jesus in Rome")."
• or indeed this

Are you familiar with this material? I ask because have been pruning at Lost years of Jesus and Roza Bal and see the claims made for "Isa Masih" in the Bahavishyat Purana. Would you have time to add what you know? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks - if you can only add a hard sourced date to the Purana Isa-Masih material that will already fix the main problem. Unfortunately Günter Grönbold's academic response to this stuff isn't on Google Books or database. Thanks again. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2013 (UTC) ‎

Oh FOR Freaks sake, just stop this silliness will you???

Will do!! Now *that* one caught my attention :) Best, Knit Knitwitted (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Paul!

Thank you for writing the page on Lewes Lewknor, I appreciate your help.

William Corbett — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billdup (talk • contribs) 22:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Mr Simpson

It could be that Mr Simpson is really a legal expert, if he is this one: https://www.texastribune.org/library/data/texas-prisons/inmates/christopher-l-simpson/143060/ :-) Deb (talk) 11:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

(TPS) It's quite a long way from Snyder, Texas to New York, so hopefully not. But, personally, I wouldn't risk it... ! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, look at Talk:Knollcroft, where there is an old edit from the same IP address. Deb (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps G. Subak-Sharpe and Christopher L. Simpson are just good friends. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Fifteen years for DUI definitely leaves plenty of time for trolling. Basket _Feudalist 15:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Or for dropping a few tabs... might explain why Ms Longley looked so "ecstatic"? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Ms Langley's heart is already loved-up....for you-know-who. Paul B (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I understand she is a historian of some repute? Basket _Feudalist 11:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Um, not quite: "Edinburgh based screenwriter and secretary of the Scottish branch of the Richard III Society.." [4]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

LOL- fair 'nuff! I just thought she might be from one of those 'formerly World Of Carpets' educational backwaters, that's all... Basket _Feudalist 14:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Gee what a funny funny guy you are. And I bet you you have a professorship at Harvard too. Paul B (talk) 14:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Nor Yale, the other one...! Basket _Feudalist 14:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, personally, I think carpets have been sadly neglected by academia through the ages. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Sooner or later, that appalling woman is going to get a wikipedia article, isn't she? I can see it coming. Deb (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Here's an example of the high academic standards of her supporters: "A big THANK YOU to Philippa Langley for keeping her believes and continuing so straightforward on her way to find and honour King Richard III." (Got that off the "King Richard Armitage" Support Network website.) Deb (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I found the draping of the Royal Standard over the cardboard box of Royal Remains very touching. And quite churlish of Jo Appleby to refuse, so brutishly, to be a part of that historic occasion. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Monuments

See any that look familiar? Tom Reedy (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

"William Barlow (1563-1613) Bishop of Rochester and then Lincoln, died Buckden, buried there (St. Mary’s church). His monument was destroyed by ‘rabid fanatics’ and he now has a joint monument with his successor, Bishop Thomas Barlow (d.1691), which incorporates some portions of his original tomb." Only the most rabid maniac imaginable could do that to a Barlow. Paul B (talk) 21:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Could be worse. Could have been a car park. Then Phillippa Langley would be getting her hands all over a Barlow Basket _Feudalist 14:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

"He may just be a pile of bones on a table to you, but to me he's a real person!" etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Very rude calling Paul B. a pile of ole bones All together now, dem bones dem bones dem drrrrry bones... Basket _Feudalist 15:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

("The head-bone is connected to the Wiki-bone", apparently). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Not to the funny-bone, evidently... Deb (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if Roy Strong has addressed the conventions of funerary monuments anywhere? Tom Reedy (talk) 21:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so. At least not in detail. One of my old tutors Nigel Llewellyn wrote about early modern funeral imagery, but there's no reference to the cushion torsos in his Art of Death. Scuplture is really rather neglected by art historians. There's the comprehensive series of books on public sculptures created by the Public Monuments and Sculpture Association, but I'm pretty sure that funerary monuments are not normally included as 'public' works. Peter Sherlock's Monuments and Memory in Early Modern England is more interested in epitaphs and theology than iconography. I'm pretty sure there's no mention of cushioned torsos. Paul B (talk) 21:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen this? I'm gonna swing by the library and pick it up later today and see what's nearby on the shelves. Also here's a list. I detect another compulsive research project coming on. Tom Reedy (talk) 14:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

1st warning: do not engage in ad hominem attacks refering to me involving "stupidity"

I have a three strikes system like in baseball. You have accused me of "stupidity" - a direct violation of Wikipedia:No personal attacks through an ad hominem attack. Strike one, do not do this again.--R-41 (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a one-strike system actually, "like in [a third of] baseball"...?! Basket _Feudalist 13:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Strike 2. Using patronizing language towards me, saying I am going to call "mummy". There is a policy called Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Your attack was ad hominem. Your language sounded like you were denying that the Nazis persecuted Slavs, if I was mistaken then I was mistaken. Please desist from ad hominem insults such as referring to me with words such as "stupidity".--R-41 (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I happen to have respect for relatives of Slavic people, I have known such people who survived the Nazi rampage in Eastern Europe who were persecuted because they were Slavic. So yes when someone appears to indicate that they were not persecuted because of that, or that the Nazis just wanted to assimilate them, I get angry. Call what I'm doing, threats, whatever. We are both angry at each other, but you do not have the right to violate Wikipedia:No personal attacks.--R-41 (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Well you need to be more careful with what you say. Because if a survivor of the Nazi rampage on the Eastern Front saw that talk page section, they would be enraged with the language used there.--R-41 (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Emailed you

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Marie Fox

Hi! I've nominated the article for DYK, along with the image you uploaded. If all goes well, we should see it on the main page soon. Thanks again. Surtsicna (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Marie Fox

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Hoax categories

Did you notice that this is at NPOVN? I'm informing you as you contributed to the discussion at FTN. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler Savior of Man

I am Bir Singh, I am his defense.

The prosecution can proceed.

What is the problem man..:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.229.211.6 (talk) 09:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I can only hope that you have some idea what you are talking about. Paul B (talk) 11:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Christ Myth Theory

You undid my revision without discussing on the TALK page (largely against WP guidelines), commenting "this list adds nothing useful and disrupts the page" -- but it indeed adds PLENTY of useful information: Remsburg's actual list! Very important and the very subject of the topic at hand. Neither did it "disrupt the page" -- it flows quite well. Moreover, if you do believe so, is "disrupting the page" (aesthetics, or form) more important than actual information? Then keep the information, the list; if "form" is your priority, simply adjust the textual flow. However I will consider a compromise: if you know of a better place on WP to provide Remsburg's list, let me know (or make the mod yourself) and I'll put it there. "Christ Myth Theory" seemed like the best place, as opposed to (for example) the article on Remsburg himself. Thanks! Geĸrίtzl (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Paul

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Yea, I already replied to it. Paul B (talk) 19:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Coming round to your opinion

I think you were probably right about "Trish Wilson", who said this back in 2009: "A pity isn't that my multilingual ability include French and Italian Guess what else I picked up? He wasn't just an astrolger but an astromoner as well. Check out sometime on my blogsite Dominic Mancini 'The case against the case against. Might I suggest that you and every other Ricky Groupie stop trying to undermine me? Not when I have the historical equivalent of not one landmine but several."

There appears to be some evidence of another internet malfunction to boot! Deb (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

"Ricky groupie" is certainly a distinctive phrase. I wonder, do they throw their panties at the skull. Paul B (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't put it past that Philippa Langley! :-) Deb (talk) 03:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

And I see the Woodville blog is going particularly well, too. Deb (talk) 14:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's pretty lively. You aren't going to join in the great Woodville debate? Perhaps you should insist that it should by "Wydeville". Paul B (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Anyone who can understand her latest contribution deserves a prize! Deb (talk) 21:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Wow , that truly is impressive. It's the passion of the argument that's most exciting...and the mystery of who or what she is actually arguing about. It's obvious she still thinks you are a dyed-in-the-wool Ricardian. For some reasons she's arguing against "your" Ricardian attempt to dismiss Mancini's evidence about the Princes. Paul B (talk) 21:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

That latest contribution of yours is a masterpiece of diplomacy. I didn't know you had it in you! Deb (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I had to have a warm scented bath before writing it. Paul B (talk) 21:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I've still not a clue what all that stuff about the Great Vowel Shift is about, let alone the Treaty of Utrecht. Paul B (talk) 21:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Me neither. I can hardly wait for the next exciting instalment! Deb (talk) 18:28, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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Tom Reedy (talk) 14:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC) For your perusal and study: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Folger_V.a.292_138v-139r.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Folger_V.a.292_139v-140r.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Folger_V.a.292_149v-150r.jpg I went ahead and uploaded the entire file of that image I placed in the article, and I did not editing whatsoever. The other Shakespeare allusions have not been found, as of 1909, anyway. Tom Reedy (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC) Brittany Hi. There was no "John VI Duke of Brittany". You mean John V. Patris22 (talk) 22:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Is that so? So who was John VI, Duke of Brittany then? Paul B (talk) 11:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC) I am not convinced he should be called John VI. The French Wiki calls him Jean V, the Breton Wiki calls him Yann V. His grandfather was not numbered not because of a French bias, but because there was no peace treaty in his lifetime it was a civil war and nobody was duke of all the Bretons between 1341 and 1364. There is no reference in the Wiki article to justify the name John VI. And in the article about his father the only reference is a book from a well-known specialist who calls his father John IV: "Michael Jones, Ducal Brittany, 1364-1399: relations with England and France during the reign of Duke John IV" Patris22 (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC) The Woman's World Hi Paul, We are researching The Woman's World magazine with the hope of finding one we could use in a production of Bernard Shaw's 'Mrs Warren's Profession' in the Gate Theatre, Dublin. Would there be any chance you'd be able to tell us where you got the copy you scanned for the Wikipedia page? Our email address is gatetheatre.asms@gmail.com Thanks in advance, Trevor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.89.95 (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Hi, I'm sorry, but I don't remember where I got the Woman's World image from. I think I just downloaded it from somewhere. I don't have any copies of the magazine myself. My wife researched it years ago when she was writing an article (the "Monsters and Monstrosities" footnoted in the wikipedia article). I read it myself from the copies in the British Library. I had a quick look on ebay etc to see whether copies circulate, but they don't appear to be readily accessible. My guess would be that your best bet would be to borrow copies from a library and scan them. Paul B (talk) 16:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Fanelli Thanks for this - yes, you are correct, the source is inaccurate. Best, --Smerus (talk) 13:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Promotor Veritatis The attention-seeking behaviour is getting out of hand now, with yet another threat to go to the media. What do you think, RFC or ANI or shall I just request another admin to consider a temporary block? Deb (talk) 07:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC) The threats appear to very vague. I really don't know if it's worth going to ANI yet. I doubt that an RFC would be useful because PV's comments do not make sufficient sense to coherently engage with. I think I will just stop responding to her. Paul B (talk) 13:15, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Good idea. As if anyone who reads The Sun would be interested in what's going on here! Deb (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Max Müller Hi, I notice that you seem to have had a long involvement with the Max Müller article. I get the impression that the article may have been subject to some unwittingly poor contributions of late, for which you are most likely not responsible. I have been ripping into it today, mostly removing stuff that is clear personal analysis. I have left a few notes on the talk page and I hope in due course to be able to assist in building content that enhances the thing. It will take time as my knowledge of Müller is mostly peripheral as a consequence of my extensive involvement in caste/British Raj ethnology etc articles. I hope that I am not treading on any toes. FWIW, I have access to JSTOR - if you do not but you need something for the article from that repository then just yell. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 01:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC) I'm wondering Drink problem? Deb (talk) 21:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC) I'm not getting enough of the stuff. That's the problem. I will just try reverting without discussion, but I rather doubt that that will work. The paragraph I restored was, admittedly, uncited, but it was just summarising plots which don't need to be cited. Of course it's PV who is being partizan, only deleting material perceived as "Ricardian", though sometimes it's hard to see why. Paul B (talk) 21:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Humm, she's edit warring now. Anyway, I'm off to the pub, so no more for an hour! Paul B (talk) 21:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Wars of the Roses Large-scale revision of this article is under discussion now - please watch User:Bill the Cat 7/sandbox. Deb (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC) Hi Paul: Thanks so much for answering my question. Unfortunately, I'm not so smart about how to do certain things on my computer & I don't know how to set up a link. I will try to find out today & see if I can acomplish that & I will send you another message when I have done that or should I ask the same question again for others to see also??? Does it help at all that I have it listed for sale on Ebay. It has the title of 1988 AT&T Thunderbird Balloon Classic if you want to look it up there & they have the feature that you can zoom in real close to the signature for a good look at the scribble. Thanks again & Best Wishes. Barb Greer (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC) Sartor Resartus I wanted the picture for the Sartor Resartus article to be large first, to resemble the Tristram Shandy article's (on which Carlyle's novel is partially based, and I greatly admire that article for giving even the 'visual' idea of an unconventional text), and second, the engraving on the Sartor article looks like pure mud when reduced in size. Is there a way to make it appear larger on most screens, but shrink for not-very-ideal configurations? Artimaean (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC) I meant the wikipedia article for Shandy has a specific look to it that I was trying to replicate (rather than say, having only the original title page), in the same way Sartor tries to replicate some aspects of Shandy, albiet textually; the book-within-a-book design, the frequent textual breaks, and especially the confused but opinionated narrator. The problem with engravings on Wikipedia (at least in my visual experience) is that when higher-quality scans made into previews (like the one on the Sartor page) the lines tend to blur together making the smaller image seem far less distinct and darker. It might actually help to make a lower-quality scan for the page.... But yeah, I would very much appreciate your uploading more images; it would certainly make the Sartor page seem more attractive. Does the "plot" section make sense so far? Artimaean (talk) 20:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC) Mosaic authorship and Miller's "logic" Hello Paul, This is in regard to what you wrote to me about Miller’s “logic”. You wrote that “he may consider his reasoning to be "logical", but other scholars with a great deal more expertise do not. At the most his POV can be presented as a POV, if his views are notable or representative of a particular position within Judaism.” You say that other scholars with a great deal more expertise do not agree with the “logic” “that It is almost inconceivable that a complete nation should without a basis come to believe this about any book, let alone a book that was published only two or three centuries earlier and whose authorship at the time was known to all. It has never been contemplated about any other book whose author/s were known at the time of publication that it has been falsely held by the nation in which that book was published that the author was somebody completely different, let alone that that author wrote it 1500 years earlier. This in addition to that nation holding a clear belief that it was dictated to that earlier author by God.” I have a PHD in Talmudic Law (civil jurisprudence) and as a result of this area of expertise i also have a very through knowledge of ancient Israelite history and have also thoroughly read the literature on biblical criticism. The scholars “with a great deal more expertise” who theorize that the Torah has no basis in truth and was a product of later authors, do not base this theory on any evidence of ancient Israelite history, as you say, but only in all sorts of hypotheses, and do not at all address this logic that you claim they disagree with. They completely ignore this very serious question, and none of them address this issue of how did a nation come to base their complete religion, their very identity, on a book that should have had no significance at all. So your statement that “other scholars with a great deal more expertise do not” agree with this logic” should have some citation of a single scholar that address this issue at all. Because they do not. And that is if there were still “scholars with a great deal more expertise” that have some view as to the origins of the Torah. The article on the Documentary hypothesis ends with this; "The verities enshrined in older introductions [to the subject of the origins of the Pentateuch] have disappeared, and in their place scholars are confronted by competing theories which are discouragingly numerous, exceedingly complex, and often couched in an expository style that is (to quote John van Seter's description of one seminal work) 'not for the faint-hearted.'" That is that not only are there no scholars who claim to know the origins of the Torah, there doesn’t even exist a common theory about this issue. In short the only thing that they all agree upon is that they seek alternative theories to the one accepted by the Jewish faith. The reason that these theories are accepted by all is because if Moses wrote the Torah then it is true, because Moses was writing to his readers about what they themselves experienced. If the Torah is true this creates a big problem in that important issues that people feel they should have the freedom to decide for themselves, such as, is there a God, and does this God demand anything of humanity etc. has an answer. As a result society must have an alternative explanation for the origins of the Torah, which understandably most people choose to believe, despite the fact that it is merely a hypothesis and should not be taken to be the factual truth. And this is all that these theories offer, an alternative explanation. As to whether this POV is “representative of a particular position within Judaism”, there is not a single position in Judaism that agrees with the possibility that all of Judaism is based on a tradition that began to grow in the era of the 2nd Temple, and by extension that this is a logical possibility. The view that the Jewish religion is based on a book that has nothing to do with either Moses or God, and that this idea is based on a tradition that somehow grew in the 4th century BCE, and that this is a valid and logical explanation as to how the Jews came to believe this, is not a view of Miller, but is representative of every single position within Judaism. So who are the scholars that address the issue Miller’s logic and disagree with it. As to Miller himself and his knowledge on this issue, it seems that your assessment of him is based exclusively on the article about him on WP. It is apparent that the article was written from a parishioner’s point of view in what he saw in him as a Rabbi talking to the folk in his congregation. This is not a basis to draw conclusions about his level of knowledge and to determine that there are “other scholars with a great deal more expertise”. L69 (talk) 08:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC) Perhaps if Miller’s logic was put in this context it would be obvious that no normal mind would disagree with it; Today scholars believe that the Magna Carta was not written in 1215 and has no connection to King John of England, but was written by several unknown authors beginning in the early 15th century and published some time in the 16th century. The tradition that it was written in 1215 and that it was issued by the authority of the king began to grow in the middle of the 18th century. However it is very implausible that the whole of the English people, including its great scholars would 1. not have known of this tradition and 2. would have taken some insignificant paper that some person had published and somehow all come to believe that this document is the bedrock of English laws and rights, and that the Magna Carta was authorized by the king of England and signed in 1215, and that the rights enshrined in that document are sacred. The centuries in regard to the theory about the Torah are considerable less than those in regard to the Magna Carta, in when the Torah is documented in the Mishnah 100 BCE-100CE, as being dictated to Moses. L69 (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC) "; Today scholars believe that the Magna Carta was not written in 1215 and has no connection to King John of England, but was written by several unknown authors beginning in the early 15th century and published some time in the 16th century. The tradition that it was written in 1215 and that it was issued by the authority of the king began to grow in the middle of the 18th century"; gotny' reasonably reliable secondary sourced-but-still-decent-coves on that? And while you're searching, can I rack up what you're rolling?! Basket Feudalist 21:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC) I think that's L69's attempt at a reductio ad absurdam, though it's very confusingly expressed. It's also completely illogical, if that is indeed what is being suggested, since, of course, we have detailed historical records of the Magna Carta, the existence of which does not depend on some sort of "memory" of the English people, for which there is absolutely no evidence at all in the case of the Torah. Relying on folk memory is a completely different issue - for that the British people have King Arthur, for example. Paul B (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC) Apologies for taking the previous Editor seriously; perhaps he should re-read Clanchy. Rock on. Basket Feudalist 21:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC) how dare you!!! HOW VERY DARE YOU HAVE MINE AND ERINS NAMES ON HERE I HAVE TAKEN THEM OF PLUS MUMS AND IF I FIND THEM ON THERE AGAIN I WILL REPORT IT AS YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO HAVE THEM ON THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.237.233 (talk) 11:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC) Hannah, is that you? Why are you angry? It's an expression of the fact that I still care about you all. Paul B (talk) 12:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC) Shakespeare Reversion Paul, you removed cited material that I contributed to the Shakespeare article about merchant activity. You called it false; however, you supplied no evidence that it, in fact, is false. You appeared to remove it merely because you don't agree with it. Can you supply a citation as well? How do you know they are wrong? Otherwise, removing material this way is not appropriate and disrespectful of other contributors. Raryel (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC) I suggest you take this discussion to the talk page of the article in question. Tom Reedy (talk) 02:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC) Sorry, I meant here. I was unaware there were two instances of this addition. Tom Reedy (talk) 03:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC) A friend of mine recently had an experience in which a minor discovery about William Blake was blown up out of all proportion by the publicity department of the university where he works. They claimed he had discovered numerous lost masterpieces by the artist/poet. In fact one of his students had found an uncatalogued copy of one of Blake's books (his Job engravings). These non-existent discoveries were then picked up by the press, causing him considerable embarrassment. This may be another example of a publicity department getting out of hand, not uncommon these days as universities get more "commercial". It seems that the principal scholar involved in this is a legitimate figure, and there is a reference to Jonathan Bate having commented positively on the paper (though it seems a distinctly luke-warm endorsement). It may be that she has made some discoveries beyond what is well-known, and the press have picked it up on a slow news day. My principal worry is the line about the monument. I am getting used to literary scholars saying remarkably dumb things about art. Paul B (talk) 11:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC) Christine Quinn edit Could you tell me why you think none of the editors are close to Quinn? That note was there only a few days ago and there are a lot of areas that may have been written by that person which doesn't have references yet. thanks--Aichik (talk) 20:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC) I've no idea whether the editors are close to Quinn or not. As I remember, I said there is no obvious evidence of that. Frankly, it would be astounding if an article on a politician were not often edited by supporters, and sometimes staffers etc. I simply removed the tag because old tags with no evidence of continuing discussion or obvious bias should normally be removed. Paul B (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC) If you have no idea, you probably shouldn't then. The photo is one of the nicest pictures of her I've ever seen, for example.--Aichik (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC) Perhaps I shouldn't ... what? We don't keep tags up endlessly when discussion is non-existent. And we don't just assume things on the basis of speculation. Are you saying we should tag the article because the photo is nice!!!! Paul B (talk) 21:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC) SHOULDN'T TAKE OUT THE EDIT MESSAGE. Don't be sarcastic. The whole section on her early career is completely unreferenced! Is there a tag I could PUT UP FOR THE PHOTO.--Aichik (talk) 21:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC) You seem to have an odd definition of sarcasm. Are you aware of the definition of shouting? If it is unreferenced use the..."unreferenced" tag! Paul B (talk) 21:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC) RS/N Discussion Hi Paul! I started a discussion on Ultimas Noticias and I noticed that you have been involved in discussing sources before. Would you be able to help contribute to the conversation that I started so we can have a more thorough discussion? Thanks for any help! :) Justiciero1811 (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC) --or tea if you insist. Coffee on me. I see you have an interest in racial theories: the cite to Madison Grant caught my eye. I write to let you know that you have an unknown twin across the Atlantic. He is like you an erudite fellow, a voracious reader. You are English; he is an Anglophile--an American Tory to the point of treason. He lives in Madison Grant's former summer home in Maine, and claims to be working on a Madison Grant biography--though he's threatened such a biography for a decade with little evidence he will carry it out. The Madison Grant article seems to me to need of improvement. Maybe I can persuade the two of you to shoulder your shovels and get to work. ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 14:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks for your work on Anne Hathaway Thank you for your work on Anne Hathaway. Wistchars (talk) 06:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Red heads The article says that we require greater amounts of anesthetic - I had to have a biopsy a while ago and the nurse thought it would only take 5 minutes so she had time to do it there and then. It took longer than that to get enough anesthetic into me! Ditto at dentists. It was nice to find there was a reason for it. Dougweller (talk) 08:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC) I used to be a super-blond as a child. Now my hair is just nondescript colour. I don't want to think of dentists at the moment. A check-up is due. Paul B (talk) 18:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Sigh! Agricolae (talk) 16:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC) And why not? Paul B (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Oops - clicked the wrong link and didn't notice I was on the wrong User's talk page. Mea culpa. (But if a sigh applies to anything you have been dealing with, feel free to make it your own.) Agricolae (talk) 17:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Montague William Douglas Dear Paul, I must appreciate your efforts and love for precision and details. I placed the Article with a few line only yesterday, and Lo ! it has grown into an exquisite work in 24 hours! Great! I have a picture of him with Maulvi Sher Ali in the London mosque (1936) can I place it in the article? Sincerely , ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 02:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC) Hi Paul, I believe Montagu William Douglas was known (I read about him) as SIR Montagu William Douglas ? Was he ever Knighted as well ? thank you. ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2013 (UTC) Picture M W Douglas ready Dear Paul, here is a picture [5] of M W Douglas. It is a 1939 photo. At Fazl Mosque London. The other person is the Ahmadiyya Missionary J.D.Shams. Kindly link the picture to the article Montagu William Douglas. Thanks ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 19:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC) Letter 1939 M W Douglas The letter written by Montagu William Douglas on 29 July 1939 is here [6]. I reproduce the letter in typed English: 29th July 1939 United Service Club Pall Mall S W 1 Dear Imam sahib, The case against Mirza Ghulam Ahmad might have been tried, either in Amritsar or Gurdaspur District. It was transferred to Gurdaspur; and I tried it at Batala in 1897. The evidence was false; and thus I acquitted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (*******Signed*******) [Montagu William Douglas] (I have received this letter on 31th July 1939 by post) (signed J.D.Shams) --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC) I have placed a few lines and referred successfully to the scanned letter ! ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 17:14, 19 April 2013 (UTC) Thank you for bringing some much needed common sense into the discussion about Hitler's religion. As you can see the edit warring has gotten a little carried away and we have both (me an ozzy) been given citations. I hope more people get involved in this highly controversial and highly important discussion Greengrounds (talk) 09:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC) June Revolution Hello Could you please provide a source for the statement that "anyone who continued to fight was shot immediately" in the final stages of the rising. I have not been able to find any suggestion in serious histories that repression on this scale occurred (note the relative casualties of Government forces and rioters) and it does seem to be derived from the dramatic finale of the musical. By the way my editing out of references to the death of Eponine and the rather self-evident last sentence that "the forces of the insurrection were spent" were not intended as "vandalism". Just an attempt to get an article on a significant event in early 19th century French history back on track. Thank you. Buistr (talk) 21:13, 20 April 2013 (UTC) AN/I thread related to Ten Lost Tribes Paul, since you have been active editing the article in question and related articles, you might be interested in the thread here.--Ubikwit 　連絡 見学/迷惑 02:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Molvi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi Hi Paul, will you be kind enough to go through this article I have started, Molvi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi ? Regards --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC) Thank you Paul. It is very kind of you to edit the article and make more fluent and readable. Regards --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC) I will continue in due course. Paul B (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks Editing 'Mirza Muhammad Ismail' Hi Paul, I am so obliged and thankful for the kind Edits to this article (Mirza Muhammad Ismail), regards. Sincerely, Ali --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC) PS- I have received a "Dis-ambiguation" notice on my Talk Page. I could not understand what is required of me to do? Will you help. Thanks. --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC) William Shakespeare's life Hello, Paul Barlow. You have new messages at Epicgenius's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Yeah, too lazy to make the move myself, so your "moroning" typo may not have been too far out Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC) Pretty good A pleasantly refreshing comment in the midst of all that. History2007 (talk) Spelling of William Shakespeare's name -> Spelling of Shakespeare's name Hi Paul, I was wondering what the deal was with all that about the deletion of Spelling of Shakespeare's name and was on the point of inquiring. But now I see what has happened. And it's all for the good. I was never very happy with the move to Spelling of William Shakespeare's name. But I figured that if you, as the article's creator and major contributor, were happy with the move, or could at least accept it, I could live with it too. Now I see that, quite the contrary, you were not happy with it. Glad that you and Tom saw this through. If I had known that the discussion forum was the talk page of Shakespeare's influence, I would have been glad to go there and register my Support. Great that this worked out. Thanks! --Alan W (talk) 01:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC) Good work Thanks for that. As an aside, the other interesting thing about 7:157 is that it's the basis for claiming that Muhammad was illiterate, although as you can see from the disparate translations, even if this verse were meant to refer to Muhammad (as I think it wasn't, read the preceding verses which are about Moses who is similarly called prophet and messenger) this isn't clear either, as al-ummi can be interpreted in a number of ways. I'm reminded of "seal of the prophets," a hugely important doctrinal point found in the Qur'an only in an ambiguous aside about a different subject (33:40.) Whereas otherwise the central doctrines of the Qur'an aren't ambiguous at all, but are stated clearly and repeated at every opportunity. Call it my original research, but if Muhammad – who didn't shy away from grand claims – had meant to say that his coming was predicted in the Torah and the Gospels, this would have been a very big deal and would have formed a central component of his pitch. Huh, this article is quite a mess.Stenen Bijl (talk) 04:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Copyeditor's Barnstar For your invaluable service, as exemplified here. Mootros (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC Sadness... The predetermined, accusatory group-mind here is dead-set against me, Lord Barlow -- for some reason my IP is labelled as a "spammer", God knows why. In any case, I am a scholar who has written peer-reviewed articles on many things, but it seems the editorial satraps simply want to destroy me and I am seriously downcast I cannot share valid, fascinating information on Wikipedia due to these factors... Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I will dub you a Knight of the Lost Internet Protocol. Paul B (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC) I don't want to exile myself. Do you know how I can separate myself from the apparent weirdo who advocated pedophilia apparently sharing my IP? I am not in need of being watched by agents of enforcement here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 22:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC) The way to avoid that is to get an account. No-one can predict who will use a shared computer or IP. Paul B (talk) 08:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC) Hi, Mr. Barlow I am looking for my friend Paul Barlow who lived for a time in Honolulu, Hawaii, which is where I met him. I'm not sure if you are this Paul Barlow. Aloha, Shannon McMonagle 98.155.207.107 (talk) 07:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC) Sorry to disappoint you Shannon. I've never been to Honolulu. Good luck with your search. Paul B (talk) 08:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC) (talk page stalker)...were you not polishing your Hula there then...?! Basket Feudalist 08:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC) (talk page stalker)...I’ve always seen you as a bit of a Detective Steve McGarrett character myself, Paul. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC) (talk page stalker)...Me too - "Book 'em, Danno!" is surely your motto. Johnbod (talk) 14:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC) My undercover Hawaiian activities in search of the Lost Rossetti must remain, for the moment, untold. I see myself as a combination of Jack Nicholson in Chinatown and Alec Guinness in Our Man in Havana. Paul B (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC) Don't underrate yourself :-) Deb (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC) Apology Apologies for inadvertently reverting your comment on the Wagner talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC) 13 grandmothers AFD I ask that you review the sources a bit more closely per your !vote. by my count, I see Indian Country Today - possibly rs National Catholic Reporter blog - possibly rs futureprimitive podcast - self published podcast, primary source interview with subject futureprimitive podcast (x2) - self published podcast, primary source interview with subject own site primary interview with subject WP - WP is certainly a reliable source, but the article is written by one of the 13 grandmothers per the attribution at the bottom book - consisting of essays written by subjects (primary) out of babylon podcast - self published primary interview with subject out of babylon podcast (x2)- self published primary interview with subject documentary, but not independent, as the "Center for Sacred Studies" that made the documentary is closely associated with the grandmothers and has many members in common Gaijin42 (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Talkback Hello, Paul Barlow. You have new messages at Gaijin42's talk page. Message added 18:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Talkback Hello, Paul Barlow. You have new messages at Gaijin42's talk page. Message added 18:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC) E. Woodville Anon user 62.25.109.201 is back again. I suspect this is someone we know by another name.Deb (talk) 19:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Oh dear. I suspect you may be right. Paul B (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Have you seen what's on TV tonight? What's the betting it brings a lot of the loonies misguided contributors out of the woodwork? Deb (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC) History painting vs Historical painting Hi, There's a bit of an argie-bargie here over whether the terms are completely interchangeable or not. One of the refs is "The Death of History Painting in Nineteenth-Century Art?" PDF, Visual Culture in Britain, Volume 6, Number 1, Summer 2005, pp. 1–13(13) which does use them rather interchangably, but perhaps you agree this is not good usage outside C19 art? There's stuff on talk. I'm with Ruskin: "What do you at present mean by historical painting? Now-a-days it means the endeavour, by the power of imagination, to portray some historical event of past days." Unfortunately I can't find an equally clear definition more recently than 1853, or one that specifically contrasts the two terms from any date. Johnbod (talk) 12:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Gee, I might find myself disageeing with something I wrote! I declare myself to be a unreliable source. Paul B (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Actually you (et al) talk of "History Painting" and "historical subjects" for the most part, which is fine. But I'm short of a ref saying clearly that (say) Titian's Bacchus and Ariadne is history painting but not, in modern usage, "historical painting". Johnbod (talk) 14:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Well that might be hard to find. Part of the problem is that these usages are contextual not rigid. I doubt anyone will say it's not an "historical painting", because it would be redundant unless there are Bacchic fundamentalists out there who think these events really happened as the Scriptures described them. Paul B (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Maybe. This all blew up when I objected to the name of Fram's new Category:Historical painters, which he now says is intended to cover all painters of History Painting - far too wide a group imo anyway, and ambiguously named. Thanks for your comments anyway. Johnbod (talk) 14:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Ah yes, I saw a reference to a "category" in the discussion but was rather confused by it. That would be a pretty useless category. I just noticed this [7] discussion, indicative of the confusion of some editors concerning the term. Paul B (talk) 14:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC) The best i can come up at short notice: [8]. or Freedman, Classical Myths in Italian Renaissance Painting p.132 "in the 15th and 16th cvenury paintings on historical and mthological subjects were both subumed under the category of historia". Paul B (talk) 15:11, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Thanks, but the websites of the National Galleries of both London & DC have handy definitions (ref 1 in article) emphasizing that history painting covers myth & the bible etc. That was an earlier battle on the talk page, complaining about the Titian poesie for the lead image. It's combatting Fram's new assertion that "historical painting" is just a synonym that's tricky. I may have added more to the article on this since you saw it. It may be under control now. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC) June 2013 Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Staff of Moses may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "[]"s. If you have, don't worry, just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC) You're a rubbish bot. No "broken syntax" at all. Except in the last sentence. And this one. Paul B (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC) Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Christopher Sly may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 "[]"s. If you have, don't worry, just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page. List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page: Shakespeare: The Comedies'', edited by [[Charles Cowden Clarke]] and [[Mary Cowden Clarke]] (1830)]] Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 12:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC) My comments at AfD clarified Paul, I had a rather short time to write what I wrote at this AfD, to which you responded, and although I thought my meaning was clear I realize in retrospect it might not have been. Since it's not really relevant to the AfD I'm clarifying here. I wasn't referring to child-protection legislation generally, which of course every civilized country has, but rather a specific law the U.S. Congress passed, the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which apparently Tony Blair liked when he heard about and wanted to emulate. Parliament obliged him with the Adoption and Children Act 2002 (I think), on which we don't yet have an article. One of the provisions of the ASFA was to provide local child-protection agencies with cash bonuses if they were able to get children out of foster care and back into a permanent home within a certain period of time. The good intention was to prevent children from spending most if not all of their childhood floating from foster home to foster home; the hell it paved the road to was some local agencies just putting kids into foster care, no matter how bad their homes weren't, just to score an easy, quick adoption and get the money. It was a perverse incentive—the old "I'm gonna write me a minivan!" problem. The UK law included the same provision, and as I remember saying to myself when I read that, it would create the same problem. Based on the articles I read online and the article at issue in the AfD, it did. Daniel Case (talk) 05:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC) OK. Thanks for the details. I was unaware that there was a direct influence. Sorry if I cam over a bit "sniffy". Paul B (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC) FAC run invitation You seem to be quite a good art researcher and editor. You are welcome to help the upcoming WP:FAC runs for Drowning Girl and Whaam!. I had thought that September 28th was the 50th anniversary of both of their first exhibitions. After getting Drowning Girl all built up for its FA run, I figured out it actually exhibited in April 1963 as well. Since I have done so much work on it, I am still going to put it through FAC as soon as Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tommy Amaker/archive1‎ passes. However, I am also going to start building up Whaam! in hopes of getting it to FA before its 50th anniversary and in time for a WP:TFA appearance.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC) Sure, I'll do my best to help with them. Paul B (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2013