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The Surfer

I liked it, even though I didn't care for the first one. It's just another plot problem though with this series: when it comes down to it, the plot was, "Surfer, can you make that cloud go away?" Galactus better be an actual character in the spin-off: Transformers showed 30-foot behemoths can look cool. Alientraveller 13:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about FF3: they can surprise me. But I'm more excited for a Surfer movie myself. I mean I am fasinated by the whole concept of Galactus: for me he was a sympathetic counterpoint to Unicron, although he came years before. I want to see Galactus on the big screen, as a omnipotent force of power, but with an actual sense of intelligence and grace to it too. Besides, it that helmet looks too dorky they can make look more angular. Just look at the Generation one and Live Action Megatron. Alientraveller 13:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Compare the original and the2007 incarnations. I'm sort of thinking the eventual depiction of Galactus can have a similiar head crest and large cranium. Besides, if you're such a Marvel nut, why didn't you know Marvel, specifically Jim Shooter, Dennis O'Neil and Bob Budiansky, created the biographies on the toy boxes and published the comics during the '80s? Alientraveller 14:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah well, I just felt that even the cloud itself wasn't scary enough. I want a character though: not a disaster movie. I liked it overall, but the whole movie is not what I expected of what they could have done with that classic story. I gave it 3/5. I also dislike how Doom is shoehorned into it, and how McMahon still wants face time. Shame not everyone can by Hugo Weaving in V for Vendetta. Alientraveller 14:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I can imagine Doom will be the main villain again, trying to steal Franklin Richard's power. But I'm pretty annoyed thus far with Doom's camp depiction: he isn't mysterious or regal. I just hope Marvel Studios gets the rights back so we get a proper depiction of Doom in a requel. Anyway, enough criticisms, Chiklis and Evans rule. I'd like a "Dynamic Duo" movie. Alientraveller 14:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

They're good enough, and that's all what I want really. But I want to know why Doom would wear that mask. It was dissapointing to see the damage caused to his body in the first film was just repaired. What, did getting beaten up by uber-Johnny sear his body again? Anyway, I hope for Surfer spin-off and a F4 requel to reinvent Doom. Rise didn't do so well, so I hope the rights will revert back. Alientraveller 15:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

(got a spare minute before I go to work). Yeah, I picked it up Tuesday, along with Transformers, See No Evil, Alligator, Demons, Demons 2, Planet Terror, Death Proof, and 28 weeks later. If Alien is reading, then yes, I bought the 2 disc special edition of Transformers (watched it last night with my friend). I think I'll probably watch Silver Surfer tonight, after Smallville. I'll let you know what I think then. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The last half of the movie was better than the first half. Everyone is so whiny in the first half. Johnny is more of an ass also. The SFX seemed to be better in the latter half of the film too. For some reason, the SS just didn't look that good early on. He was just too fake looking. I actually prefer the body suit they had Doug Jones where for when he lost his powers. Take that, and just lighten it up a bit, and that would have looked better. Julian McMahon (sp) was a high point. I really wish they had done the "real" Galactus. I mean, I would have liked it if when the Surfer got to the center of the cloud that the Galactus that we know from the comics was there. Sort of like the cloud was more of the way he transported himself across the universe. All in all, I'd put in on par with the original film. It wasn't great, but it certainly wasn't that bad. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See, I thought the bit in the tunnel looked real fake. It reminded me of the interactive DVD menu for the special edition version of Terminator 2. It's just that everything got played up so cartoony, it seemed like more than the last time. The first shots of Alba as Sue Storm were like "who the hell is that". She didn't look like Sue Storm, she actually looked kind of ugly the way they had her hair in the first scenes of her character. I thought the Hulk looked more realistic. He didn't look Silver, he looked more like platinnum. The "all that you know is at an end" wasn't that chilling to me. First, it was said constantly in the trailer, and in this scene there didn't seem to be any good dramaticized music to signal "OMG, it's the end of the world". It was more of Dr. Doom going "turn your back on me...oh yeah, well watch me get my ass kicked" (which was kind of cool). For some reason, when Johnny was I guess "rethinking" his life at the end, in the bar, I was hoping he'd touch Ben so that he could have one night with Alicia in his human form. The Fantasicar was cool, though I think the "hemi" joke didn't work because you had already been oversaturated by all the other crap with sponsers they talked about in the beginning. It was there, just didn't worky because you had Johnny coming out like a Nascar driver earlier. The fight scene with the car and Doom was one of the best scenes with CGI. Other than the trailers that was the first time I saw "Galactus"...so that's why I was hoping that the inner clouds would at least make his face somewhat visible. Did you notice the scnee where he is first coming to Earth and his shadow passes over Saturn? The first bits of shadow looked like the top of his head. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 12:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, props to their connection. I mean, when you learn about his "woman" on his homeworld, his mannerism (which is all due to Doug Jones' great miming performance) were all the more clear. I mean, we are supposed to think that Johnny is going to redeem his asshole self, and to me, that would have been the perfect redemption. Yeah, it seemed to look more and more, in this movie, that her and Johnny couldn't possibly be brother/sister. I never really paid attention to her eyes beyond the fact that she had waaaay too much eye make-up on in her first scene, which made her look bad. Again, Michael Chiklas(sp) was generally great. No matter how claustrophobic he gets in that suit, he always manages to bring out a good performance. Ian Gruffold (sp) on the other hand... Not saying he had a bad performance, I just don't like his portrayal of Reed Richards. It borders on Alba's portrayal of Sue Storm. Neither has either of those motherly/fatherly mannerisms that one might expect. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The movie sucked, but the special effects were not all that bad. The bight green, sure, but the detail in the body was amazing. Also, it could be more of how Tim Story shot the background in comparison with the CGI, as the latter half of the movie, where the scenes are at night, look a lot better. One thing that bugged me at the end was the Uber-Johnny will all the powers. If, before, when he touched one of them they exchanged powers, how the hell was he able to keep his flames when he took all their powers? At best, they should have all had flame powers, while he had rock-stretch-invisibility power. Plus, what happened to Dr. Doom? Is he just sitting at the bottom of the river? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 17:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Bruce's father was the "supervillain", Gen. Roth was kind of a villain and so was Bruce's rival. Bruce's father kind of had the Absorbing Man's, but he wasn't the character. The desert was good, and the scene in the city, right before Betty calms him down. The shower scenes, where Bruce sees himself in the reflection. I don't get what you mean by a Super-Skrull "moment". Oh, you mean having all their powers..got it. See, I thought McMahon was good. I understand the voice thing, as supervillains work better with more deep, megalo-maniacal voices. But McMahon's performance was good. At least he wasn't as campy as some of the others. Where are you getting "Franklin"? Did I miss a scene in the film where they had a child in the closing credits or something? Or are you just speaking general terms? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard anything about another film? I liked how they didn't do a "Oh, you tried to kill me but I still have feelings for you" thing between Doom and Sue. It was slightly original for them to go the "I kind hate you all, and will try and kill you the first change I get." BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Those aren't my favorite comic/films, so I don't really think about it that much. I think they need to focus on making good Wolverine and Magneto films, then worry about more X-Men films. I think a "younger" cast would be wrong, because most people don't know who the new generation is. They know Wolverine, and Storm, and the rest of the quintisential X-Men. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm more concerned with this JLA movie. I read a rumor/spoiler that the film will not have any origins, that it will jump right into action and that the JLA will be up against their counterparts the Crime Syndicate. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I think they've simply lost their minds. They probably don't trust Singer to do a good sequel, so they are fast tracking this one to try and make money to support the Superman sequel. That, and they're idiots. You already have 2 versions of Clark/Superman in existence at the moment, and they're going to try and create a third? How stupid is that. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying it couldn't be good, just that it won't be the best it can be without origins for a lot of the characters. I mean, we saw how well that worked for X3. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

X-Men

When time comes for another ensemble X-Men film set in the present, I'd like to see a younger Emma, to emphasise her romance with Cyclops and prodigal aspects. Cyclops' resurrection can be explained in a future film, to create mystery for when Sinister and Apocalypse inevitably appear. The X-Men don't know their founder is alive for some time. Wolverine can be brash comic relief: play him up as Cyke's gruff buddy (eg Optimus Prime and Ironhide: "We do not harm the humans!") Alientraveller 15:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No time travel please, I want to keep the realistic and political tone. Not that I want Apocalypse to be played by Dick Cheney, but I'd like something to make Apocalypse a cool character and not some powerhouse. I don't know much about Emma, I thought she was in her late thirties or something, what with all her history. Singer wanted Sigourney Weaver. Alientraveller 15:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I forgot about Quicksilver. He and Wanda would be a good way to reintroduce Magneto to the next generation. Alientraveller 16:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Friday franchise

Well, the literature section is all done now--got that last bit of non-fiction books mentioned. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I only put it there because I couldn't think of a good FU image to use for that section--especially since I copied it all from the Jason article. Do you have any suggestions? The thing is that FU for covers is hard to show, but if we have no images, then that section--which is rather larger--looks really dull. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the only editor here..lol. We can put the FvJvA image in there, and see how the public responds. How about this for a book image. We could talk about how it was the original adaptation and such. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Worst comes to worst we'll just have to get rid of the images, and find better ones...or do without. We'll worry about that road when we cross it. Take a look, I uploaded both of them. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

How's it now? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Erik mentioned that it was crowded with the caption, but since we trimmed it I guess "upright" will work again. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've been thinking about removing that cast section for awhile. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to even jump into another discussion..lol. I don't really care how it unfolds. I can see it both ways. Right now, the Clark Kent article is highly unsourced, and a lot of it could be trimmed. Did you notice that the Clark Kent of Smallville consists of everything in this section? Oh, did you see that I cleaned up and added some more to the Television section of F13? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I love the hypocrosy behind the argument, because he obviously isn't speaking in a judgemental. I frankly stopped watching the page awhile ago. If they don't get merged, I'm sure the debate will come up again. Sometimes you just have too many fans guarding the page from anyone trying to clean it up. All I have to say is, "whatever". lol. If they want their pages to look like shit, let 'em have it that way. Personally, I'm going to eventually finish all those Smallville pages and I won't care, because I'll know they are better quality. I'm sorry that a page can be protected to such a degree by fans that it actually harms the article. I'm trying to find another source for the 77 episodes that aired, because I don't want to use only one source for that paragraph, though that wouldn't necessarily be an issue. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

His whole "put your money where your mouth is argument" is hypocritical, because I don't see his ass cleaning up a single article. I have plenty of articles under my belt, and so do you, that shows I have a decent idea of when an article can be cleaned up and when it cannot. His rant comes off as more "pissy tyrade" than anything close to "good points", IMO. He's basically stated the same excuses that everyone always states. First they pull the numerical card, where they point out that they have the numbers in the vote--even though it isn't a vote. Then they point out that nothing is harmed if the episodes stay, but everything is harmed if they are merged, because they lose their "trivia", "quotes", and other such sections that shouldn't be there in the first place. Then there is the "it's a guideline, not a policy" argument, followed by the "why don't you clean them up if you think they are bad". It's the same tireless excuses, which I see all the time. What's sad is that people pull the "why don't you do it" because they are either too lazy to do it themselves, or they know it cannot be done and they think the ultimate argument is to tell you to do it for them. Sorry if that's condescending, but it's not new and I get really tired of the same thing from all the television show articles. Those were the arguments I saw with Smallville as well, only Smallville has only a few active editors so I didn't have to worry about the "there's 20 of us, and 2 of you" argument. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Geeze, what's up with my spelling lately, lol? Yeah, it's hard to enforce the rules if more people disagree with you on them. Anyway, on to happy topics, did you read the addition I added about Jason appearing on Supernatural? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just noticed I spelled it wrong when you quoted me. I also spelled "hypocrisy" wrong. That was kind of my feeling, like they will find some demon that can bring anything to life it wants...or something like that. It's an episode that I'll watch just to find out. The show isn't that bad, I've been thinking about buying it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the source talks about the other characters they have used. I would think that if they have true permission from New Line to use the character, that they would use the character as he is supposed to look. But, then again, they could simply copout. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and redirected the comics page. Looking at the history of the article, it wasn't very active, and there didn't seem to be any opposition to the merge. What are your thoughts on Friday the 13th (video game)?? Or this horrific page? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

That was what I was asking, if you think it deserves its own page. I mean, there really isn't anything there but a walkthrough of the game. I mean, the Jason article at least mentions the recent mobile games. There may be other games, I don't know for sure...they are kind of hard to find sources for. The timeline is going to about entirely original research, unless there is some source that specifically connects these two franchises. It's very indiscriminate. If no one would mind transwikying it, that would be fine. They wouldn't have to worry about the tags that way, and they could probably create a more stylistic timeline. It seems to be popular with Anonymous editors, but even then the activity is spaced, with nothing going on for weeks at a time. Dr. Who is also a timeline of one series, where this timeline is connecting two series as if they really occurred alongside each other. Do you think I should be bold and just merge and redirect the game, or actually give it a proposal? What do you think about the timeline, maybe just mention the fact that it would probably be better served at Friday the 13th Wiki given it's original nature? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, I don't see any record that the article was ever AfD'd, which is ironic actually. Those types of articles usually get hit at least once with an AfD at some point in their existence. I think I'll go ahead and redirect the game article, and put what information we have from the Jason article in there. It will need to get rewritten to be focused more on the franchise that Jason. Should we title the section "Video games" or something like "Other media"? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD'd. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure about pop culture? I could see that for all the copy-cat films, and parodies, but not for something officially tied to the franchise itself. Oh, and Trevor Moorhouse was Bloody Murder. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking of that myself. I mean, the games could technically be considered an official "appearance" by the character, but I'm stuck on whether we should do it that way. As for "what other media", I wasn't sure, because I hadn't looked that much. I would put action figures, dolls, masks, etc etc, in a "In popular culture" section, as they don't necessarily have to have anything to do with the series in question, but just marketing gimmicks. Yes, Trevor should be there, and I saved your BBC source to put him in later (unless you want to go ahead and plop him in). I have all the video game external links, and I'm going to go through them and add any good reviews to the section. I just labeled it "games" at the moment, so that it at least has a home till we can agree on a good header. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

We can leave it at "Games" for now, and if something better comes along, then we can change it. Yeah, that Faith issue (pardon the pun) is one that is hard to figure out. I would have to say that your idea of "IPC" would be best, based on the limited coverage she has in those other fields. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd just save it for later, make that the last section you work on. As for the links, I don't know, we'll worry about it when the page is done. The general F13films.com page I removed because we have a source that is linking to a place on that page, so the "home page" portion can easily be found. It may work out that way for the timeline page as well, but I'm not in a rush to worry about it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I was never that familiar with the character, I knew a little. The movie wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it. There was some subpar acting on Wes Bentley's part, and the dialogue wasn't all that great (blame that one on Mark Steven Johnson...seems to be a usual occurence with him), but in all it was enjoyable. Have you played this game? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You liked DD?? It was better than Catwoman and Elektra, but it wasn't that good. The writing was not good, and the irony is that they did not do the Elektra character justice. Plus, I think Affleck was more or less just "posing" as Daredevil, instead of really playing the part. There were some good things about it, I liked how they made his hearing actually create visuals for his eyes, but no 13 year old boy is going to teach himself acrobatics and martial arts. I couldn't believe they cut Sticks from DD, but put him in Elektra. I had played that game awhile ago, but stumbled across it just now looking for other games. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I like him in other movies, just didn't do it for me in DD. The costume was good, because it had more of a real life feel to it. It could have been so much better. Plus, a lot of the fighting was in darkened sequences--I get it, to help the feel of "blindness"--which made it hard to see what was going on. I saw it in theaters, and I was happy when I could actually see what was happening on the DVD. The music was also a big problem. I love the songs in real life, but you can't have a movie where the only music is a true soundtrack. I mean, there is a reason Spider-Man and Superman and X-Men were such good movies, and that was because the music helped to sell the imagery. Now see, I liked Blade more. Blade: Trinity was a copout, but Ryan Reynolds made that movie. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there wasn't much liking Blade, or even the woman. I just like it because the action was pure, the film was a bit edgy. Yeah, Dracula is in the third one, hence my saying it was a "copout". It seems like when you do a vampire related program, that going to the "Dracula was real" story is a bit of a copout. Either you'd doing a Dracula movie, or you aren't. That's kind of why I liked Dracula 2000, because I liked the history they gave that character. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that episode wasn't one of my favorites either. I've been meaning to pick up that series, and Angel--coupled with Supernatural and a couple others. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

To run down the list of what I have: The Shield, Everybody Loves Raymond, Seinfeld, Smallville, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Superboy, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, The Dead Zone, The Incredible Hulk, House, Monk, Heroes, Firefly, and Chappelle's Show. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Black Canary will be in the eleventh episode of Smallville. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Raymond is hilarious, but for most comedies aren't repeat viewers. But, since I don't really watch television shows on television, buying was the only real option. The final season was the best season. I love Bill Bixby, he's one person that I would have liked to have gone back in time to have met. Seinfeld is just classic. The Dead Zone is really good, and I think Anthony Michael Hall has managed to create an extremely likeable character that you have to feel sad for, because of his visions. There was a great episode where they did an alternate universe, where Bruce--Johnny's best friend--was never in Johnny's life, and his life ended up taking him down the road of how the book/movie showed the character. Oh, and The Death of the Incredible Hulk is the better TV-movie. It was a little less cheesy than those others, the one with Daredevil being my least favorite of the three. Hey, it isn't Bixby's fault he had cancer. I was a Grissom fan myself. He always had the subtle, dry humor that I could relate to, though I'm not always subtle with my humor. BIGNOLE (Contact me) —Preceding comment was added at 02:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I do like DD, I just think that most incarnations of the character have not done him justice, especially that Hulk movie. He just looked so silly. I don't like any of the other CSI's, just the original one. Miami is all flash and no substance, they parade around in Hummers. It's sickening. The NY one seems to just rehash the same stuff from Vegas. Oh, did you catch my Black Canary announcment? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

That's ironic, because the name of the episode is "Siren". I like Friends, but it's just not something I'd buy, at least not for myself. I'm probably going to by the entire season for my g/f, because she loves it. Funnily enough, buying that special edition complete set from Amazon is cheaper than buying the individual seasons. As for the others, I haven't watched The Simpsons for years, just lost interest. I don't like Family Guy. It's too irrational. It annoys me that they never have coherent plot lines, it just breaks off into wild tangents constantly. It was funny when I first saw, but it got old real fast. I haven't watched South Park in awhile either, but I love the movie. Oh, what is your opinion on that DVD section on the franchise page? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Seinfeld and Friends are both funny, but Friends just isn't something I'd buy. But, buying it for my g/f technically constitutes buying it for myself, so in essence... Sorry, I appreciated it when it first came on, after that it just got on my nerves. Most of the time now I don't even laugh when I'm watching it, so I don't watch it. Yeah, I was asking if you thought it should be there. It just seems so out of place, and doesn't appear to be anything other than a "we finall get a box set and it sucks" section. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it comes on SciFi now, but I'm not sure. I've never personally seen it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

If I catch it on, I'll try and sit down and watch it. Night. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

For Faith, you could use the term "tie-in", like Jack Sparrow's article does. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

"Merchandise", "Popular culture", I'm not sure. It's definitely going to be a small section. Separate them for now, and we can worry about were to find a better home for them afterward. I have an idea, but I want to wait till the article is finished to see how everything is first. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 20:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, he took me like a year--don't know exactly, but it was a long time--before I finished the Jason article. As for F13 Part 6, it's the second best sequel. The Final Chapter is the top sequel. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 20:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

You aren't supposed to like the victims. By that time, you are supposed to cheer that they get killed. Plus, Jason's design looked good, his movements were still human, and Corey Feldman is the best Tommy Jarvis. Oh, it seems the merge proposal is on. I guess that guy didn't like the fact that his image didn't meet WP:FU criteria on the franchise page. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, you always assume that my criticism means that I don't like it. I said Part VI is the second best sequel. I liked that Jason...well, I liked him in the cemetary, but the clean clothes afterward was a little much. The best make-up was certainly VII. That part in the lake, when Jason first appears was awesome. Yeah, I saw that afterward. He's still trying to turn it into a walkthrough for what missions you have to go through. I saw your comment as well. It's ok. The proposal is there now. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm more of a fan of Ted White as Jason. I like most of them. I mean, Kane Hodder always gives a good performance at Jason's rage, even if his make-up and costume isn't all that good. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Break

You liked the guy in Halloween Resurrection?? I agree, Nick Castle is the mold and everyone else is just immitation. For as much as I love H20, my biggest issue is the eyes. It's the only film where you constantly see his eyes through the mask. I don't think there was a single point where you saw blackness in the eyes. To me, the only place you should have seen his eyes should have been at the very end, when he's pinned against the tree. Let you see some glimmer of humanity before taking his head. I think the problem was that they lit the mask up a bit too much with front lights, and they probably should have backlit it. Mane did a good job. When does the DVD come out over there? I'm definitely getting the unrated version. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The mask in Resurrection was horrible. Not to sound racist, as this does, but his face looked black. To clarify, It looked like Busta Ryhmes was staring at himself after time they fought. I mean, the face should just be expressionless, and it had really defined cheekbones and dark shadows on brow, cheek and chin. I was find with the mask in H20, with the exception to the plain sight eyes and it's sometimes brilliant white finish. Yeah, I've always noticed that shot. It was a weird one..lol. It was better than fat face in Part IV, Pointed Nose in part V, and face-faces return in Part VI (I say fat face because Wilbur was kind of fat). I don't think it was stitches in the remake mask, it was more just biodegrading underneath the floorboards in the basement over a 17 year period. It looks different when he first gets it, and it's the aging process that makes it look like that later in the film. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. In Part 4, is it just me, or did Wilbur look like he was wearing shoulder pads? You know, like the ones that are in those old women's suit jackets? I could never figure out why they hired such a fatty. I mean, I'm sure he's a good guy and all, but you wouldn't hire some 250lb person to play Freddy Krueger. I was actually going to ask you if you wanted to help me find a better image. I wanted one from H1, but like you said, that one isn't that good and from what I can find there aren't really any in the film that show him in good quality. BTW, did you see this? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, yeah, exactly. He looks like he's trying to look buff. Um, the problem with the other photo was that I knew it wasn't a screenshot, but a photo taken during production. The problem was determining that it was a "promotional" image. A lot of times it seems that there just isn't a copyright status for some things. It could simply have been some person's image, and I don't know the actual owner. As for Enter Movie's page, I'm not going to say anything. I may steal his literature section, because he's basically done what I was going to do, which was briefly describe each book/comic. Other than that, he's working on the same information already present in the article, whereas the majority of mine is based on new stuff. BTW, you had me thinking that H20 feature was like an hour or 2, but I looked at it and it's only 18 minutes..lol. You made me think that it took so much time out of your day to get the interview information..lol. I still appreciate you doing it, though. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

To the first part, no, it isn't mean to let them work on it because everyone is entitled to do what they please and I cannot say "don't, I'm doing it." To the second, it would more or less look the same as mine, he's just saving me time. But if you prefer, I'll write it myself. Well, the region 1 DVD said 18 minutes and some change. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about H1, I was just nitpicking the time of H20. lol. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, makes me think he was going through my user page and saw my sandboxes. I've had contact with him for some of the things he's tried to add to articles. Interesting. Well, I have faith in my knack for finding information, the resources I already have avaiable, and my writing ability to think that I'll get the article done before him...and in better shape. As for the franchise. I do plan to add some "history" on how they developed the first film, and maybe a bit about what caused them to do sequels. After that, I need to develop the music, as that is quintisential to film series as a whole. Then expand those other two sections. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Reviews for a lot of the earlier films are hard to find, but I hope to maybe find some reviews of the series as a whole, just enough to give an inclination of how the films were perceived. As for Part V leading to Part VI, that would be in the paragraphs of info that discuss the development of the projects. I'm thinking of putting that information in that space between "Films" and "Overview". No, I've never actually seen the show. I've seen bits of episodes a long time ago when they aired on Sci-Fi, or whatever channel their aired on. Is it good? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, you "choose" to make it part of the verse? lol. I'm sure you could tie it to the verse somehow. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL. So you're saying if it had been called "The 13th House" that you wouldn't like it as much? I'd like to pick up the series, but it isn't offered here in the States. I think there are some Region 2 DVDs of the complete series though. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You know what, I think you're a anti-versite. You want to segregate all the verses. lol. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The thing is that Michael really wouldn't work well with any other slasher franchise in a crossover. First, he's technically never "died", thus if he ran into Jason in the real world, he's most certainly die. Jason dismembers people, and Michael would lose limbs. The same with Freddy in the dream world. His whole existence has been based on the idea that he's really resilent, and goes into freakish comas after being wounded. In the end, he's still just human flesh. As for She-Hulk, I don't know the character beyond the name. It's funny to think about those court cases you mentioned though. BIGNOLE (Contact me) —Preceding comment was added at 04:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Superman would simply give her a nut, and she'd become a slave to his god-like abilities. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If that's the case then it means she's all stocked up, and he could simply use his superbreath to create artificial winter around her home, thus she'd go straight into hibernation. :P BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Superman has been killed and come back from the dead, I think he can handle some squirrels. Plus, squirrels hibernate, thus there would be no "handling the cold", unless by handling it you mean she holds up in her home till it's warm. That, or he can simply use his heat vision to burn them all. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, but the fact that he resurrected himself begs the question "did he actually die at all?" Plus, his antagonist was a genetically engineering killing machine from another world. A creature who, by definition adapts and strengths to whatever attacks it. Plus, Dr. Doom and Thanos are Marvel, and the fact that Squirrel Girl can beat them just shows how inept Marvel villains truly are. I guess that just shows how weak that side of the universe is. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

A bald dude with no powers leads the Legion of Doom. Let's see. You have alien supervillains, with powers beyond your wildest dreams, following someone with no powers...I guess that means he's pretty scare without them. Then you have a Squirrel Girl who can beat a "7/7...physically omniscient and can command of all forms of energy." Hmm, which universe is more whack? I guess that whole "physically omniscient" and the ability to "command all forms of energy" forgot the little asterick beside him that read: "Not applicable against squirrels." LOL. BTW, Thanos isn't 7 in every category. I'd point you to DC ratings, but I could not find anything. I can only assume that DC characters are so powerful that there has not been a scale which can accurately measure them. :P BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, she's the equivalent to "Heart". Hey, did you see the talk page of the Freddy and Jason timeline? That one opposed editor put a "rescue" up to get people to help establish the timeline's notability. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What, calling her a "Planeteer"? lol. Yes, I was being sarcastic. Yeah, the timelines going to be deleted, so I don't know what help (s)he hopes to get. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you correct that in the source when you moved it up in the section? I was going by the South Park article that says he was mentioned by name. If he wasn't, then that should be removed. I saw it get deleted. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Jason vs. Superman...lol. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I got your She-Hulk. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw you fixed some typos. Thoughts on the additions and changes? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am, I just haven't put in the rest of the films; plus, there probably won't be as much "development" there for the other films as there was for the first film. I just wondered what you thought it the start of it all. The top image, I wasn't sure if it was a collaboration or not. It's as easy as removing New Line though. Now that I think about it, New Line owns the rights to the characters and title, but not the first 8 films. But, as you pointed out, and I just repeated, since they own the title and characters, I would assume they still own part of those films. I think it's just safer to say they both own it. Do you agree with my removing the infobox? I didn't put a plot point in the lead on the films, because I felt, to be fair, I'd have to do it for all the other mediums and when you get to the books and comics they all kind of diverge each time a new publication comes out. The way I see the FvJvA image, it's fine till we worry about any nominations. Do you have any thoughts on replacements? Fridaythe13thfilms.com has a whole slew of comic covers. I mean, the section doesn't look that bad if we remove it entirely, but if we remove the book as well, that's a lot of text without a lot of breaks. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You sure that was me? I was once a promoter of production before plot structure in film articles--currently I'm a "whatever you want" structure guy. Why don't you give the lead a shot, and see what it takes ya. ~~I'll swap out the FvJvA image with that one. See how that looks.~~ BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Swapped them out, whatdoya think? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that now. I think my idea of character articles and film articles probably differs because with a character, especially Jason, you have a lot of IU to cover, and it's probably best to get it out of the way. Whereas with a film, it's just the film you have to cover. The lead's fine. I swapped "brutal" for "mass", as it's subjective to say "brutal". I also include a bit about the TV show not being connected to any one character or setting. It is all certainly starting to come along. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It should have been hyphened. I fixed it. When you say "in the appearances section" do you mean in the space below "Appearances" but above "Films"??? If so, I'd say no because "Uber-Jason" is still technically "Jason", it's just a name the filmmakers gave him to distinguish between before and after the nanobots rebuilt him. I'll try and get the rest of the sequel developments in tonight--watching Stephen King's Sleepwalkers right now. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That's just dirty. Someone should write a letter to that reviewer and be like "HEY! Read Wikipedia policies please". Yeah, Brian Krause. Leo does it with his mom in the movie...eeeeewww. ~~Alice Krige is hot though~~. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Strike that. I meant Mädchen Amick. I got a clue the name was wrong when I looked at the page and saw that her age was 53. Yikes. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, Amick is 36, so that's kind of much older as well...but no where near 53. Hey, maybe that's why Piper and Leo kept having trouble, because she kept finding him with his mommy. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but so was he technically. He was an angel. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

His job was a whitelighter, but he was an angel is I remember correctly as well. Didn't he serve in like WWII? There was that episode when the two ghosts from his war past came back for him. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

But he can cross the planes of existence, right? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Good ol' Wikipedia. Whitelighter. In the descriptions, it says they are usually people who have died. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I just think it's funny that we took a joke--Me saying Leo had familiars with his mummy--and started disecting "who whitelighters are" in Charmed. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

We can link them there. The page needs work, but it's certainly better than having two dozen individual articles. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about for the List page, or for more names on the franchise page? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd just go to the film pages and look at the names. I think I'm going to have to summarize more than I thought, because that subsection will get waaaay too long if I put all the development information for 11 films in there. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Rennie is the female lead. It's hard to say who is worth mentioning and who isn't, because usually everyone but one or two die. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I enjoyed it. It wasn't the first time I had watched it, just the first since I bought it. I like the music, the Enya song and also the "Sleep walker" song. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Break 2

I'm thinking that since all the sequels basically just did the same thing, but with different crews, that I'm going to limit what I say about them. For instance. I'll probably only mention that Part 3 chose to incorporate 3-D to bring a freshness to the film, while Part V tried to take it in a new direction, but ultimately failed. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

And your opinions on the image? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't have anything against it other than it hurts the page. I don't believe it would stand up in a review to any editor. I'm sure the comic and book could be questioned--the Variety image is solid--but they at least show some kind of significance to their placement. They may not be 100% "death proof"--sorry, watching that right now--but they certainly don't fail WP:FU criteria like that game image does. There's just nothing in the section that says "we need an image". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no doubt that is his reasoning, because its removal was his reasoning for challenging the merger in the first place. What did he do when it was decided that it would be merged again, he put the image back there. His thing, looking at his contribs and talk page, seems to be "images". I would be willing to bet that if someone found a "better" image for that game, he'd challenge its placement over the one he uploaded. BIGNOLE (Contact me)

Keep it or not, I bet my bottom dollar it's the first one criticized in a GAC or FAC. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, it will end up being an issue in a review, and I don't want Littlearm, or whatever his name is, diverting attention from the article reviews by dragging on wars because he cannot bear to see his precious image be deleted. And yes, my comment on the talk page was sarcastic, or probably closer to sardonic, since all the information was in plain sight for him to see. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

"brought up in the review"?? Huh? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was an interesting storyline. I remember when they killed CA. I would have to agree that it was a bit out of character for him to basically form a resistance to the USA, but when you think about it, he had a legitimate reason. CA was never some drone that could be commanded to do whatever he was told, he thought for himself, and I have to think that he believe that a registration act for "mutants", or any superhero for that matter, went against the principles of what the USA was supposed to stand for. I was actually surprised by some of the ones that opted to reveal their identities and join up, especially Spider-Man. I mean, he's struggled with keeping his identity a secret for so long for fear that it would cause harm to those he loved, it just seemed odd that any character that wears a mask would simply pull it off in front of people with ease. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

OOOOhhh, see...show's that I don't know that much. As for his actions, I think that was the honorable thing to do. He's watching as everything is being destroyed because of his actions--if I'm getting you right--and his final act was an attempt to stop the further destruction. Switch sides? That flipflopper. I wouldn't be pro-reg because new superheroes need training. First, the training any superhero who has superpowers needs probably cannot be attained by the local law enforcement group. There is too much potential for abuse if the government knows your secret id. If someone hacks into their system and steals their data, they'd know the ID of every registered superhero. The whole reason behind a secret ID is to protect those you love, because, let's face it, that is the only true weakness any superhero ever has. Sure, some can be stopped by green rocks, anything yellow--sorry for crossing universes, don't know too many Marvel weaknesses--whatever the case may be, but it never really works. They always manage to beat it. But, what is the one thing that always grabs their attention, that always hurts them the most, when they cannot save the person they love. Gwen Stacy anyone? ---again, don't know that many Marvel people so I can't name more. If you found out the ID of all the superheroes, you could orchestrate a mass murder of all of those loved ones. If you're worried about training, then force a superhero union. I mean, Marvel has The Avengers right? If you want to force registration, force them to do it amongst each other. No paper trail to worry about. You also get the benefit of forcing them to train themselves. You get the wisdom of older, more experienced superheroes instead of wisdom from people who don't know the first thing about superpowers. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's like asking me if I'd feel safer if people of a different color or sexuality were "under control", because, isn't it true that black people are nothing but criminals and that homosexuals are the cause of all our sexually transmitted diseases? (please note the sarcasm) Seriously now. Would I feel safer if a bunch of bratty superheroes were "registered"? No. Unless you are putting a chip in their head to control their actions, being registered isn't going to curb their actions. As you stated, the "Young Avengers" rebeled against the elder Avengers. Do you think that if they were registered with the government that they'd all of a sudden have a new respect for authority? They rebeled against their own kind, why would they follow a species that couldn't possibly even relate to them? Unfortunately, part of Bruce's mutation is the consequence that he can have uncontrollable rage. Does registering him change that rage? It seems like an unncessary tactic. They "registered" the Jews as well, but something tells me that wasn't to make everyone else feel safer. I'm really not seeing the point of registering. What did they say it was in the comics? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The world is not a democracy. Some countries our, but not everyone. That being said, do you think that just because someone has a special ability they should be forced to register themselves? Saying "well Jews, blacks and homosexuals are human" is kind of the same discrimination that was played against them, only directed at superheroes. Think about it. Jews were not considered to be the same as the Nazis. Blacks and homosexuals were considered to be "animals", or less than human, in the presence of the white man. So, instead of saying "well, they are of a different color, so they aren't really like us," you're saying "well, they have special abilities so they aren't really like us." Are they not still people? Do they breathe, eat, sleep, bleed--some may bleed differently mind you. Do they still love? Are we classifying humanity by genetic make-up, or personal actions? Cops indirectly kill people, but if it truly was not their fault, then there's nothing more to say about it. If the superhero maliciously killed people, then (s)he's probably not a hero. If it was reckless endangerment, then it means they probably didn't have a proper mentor to train them. Again, the government cannot provide that, only other more experienced heroes can. Again, it boils down to "who can really train them?". I see no problem with a superhero union, working in collaboration with the government to better train new heroes and make sure they are "ready" for duty, but I don't believe the government needs to know their SID for that to happen. Of course they should have consequences for their actions, I don't disagree with that, but knowing the SID doesn't change whether those accidents will happen or not. If they want a registration, then the name given should be the one the public knows, and not the one they were born with. When a superhero appeared in court prior to the registration, they didn't give their SID names during the hearings. Who they really are is not relevant to the bigger issue, which is making sure they are ready to serve the world before they actually go out and try. (P.S.) I expanded the music section a bit. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

But, isn't it the idea that their "roles" chose them. It's because they can do what they do that they take on the roles that they do. Hasn't almost every hero tried to quit, and live a normal life? But again, them registering their birth name, their SID, has no bearing on their license or their training. Explain why they need their real names? Again, most superheroes are not affected the way cops are by criminals. I'm sure there is a band of regular people who have no powers, but most have some kind of power. When it comes to normal humans, a simply bullet will do them in. But, with superheroes, it is never that easy. The only true way to ever affect them is to go after the people they care about, and releasing your identity means opening the door to the likelihood that the people you care about are at a much greater risk of being attacked than if you had kept your identity to yourself. Saying, "oh it isn't made public" doens't mean it cannot be found out. Keeping your secret to yourself is less likely to cause problems than if the government database begins collection all the names for anyone that wants to steal them. In the comic world, it isn't that hard to steal government files, especially if you're a supervillain. Again, why does having their true identities mean anything? It's an unncessary addage to the act. It doesn't regulate whether they are trainable. It doesn't help them in any way, yet it opens the door so much wider to others being able to hurt them if they got ahold of the government list.

I hate those big quote marks. The distract from the article. Yeah, I didn't do a quotebox because there's two tables surrounding the text. It's just a simple blockquote, because it was more than 40 words of quoted text, so it had to be blocked. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Many villains go free because of the way they are brought in, not because the superhero didn't give his/her real name. For all intents and purposes, their "real" name is the name the public knows them by. Their legal names have no bearing, because they are public figures they are known by only one name and that's their hero name. If an arrest form read, "Arrested by Steve Rogers." most people wouldn't know how that was, but if it said "Arrested by Captain America" they would. Spider-Man is hated because of the Bugle. If the FF had a newspaper always attacking them, they'd probably be hated a little more as well. They are also a bunch of tools. ;) But, why would the human non-superhero people accept the others simply because they know their real names? It seems knowing their real names will only cause the public to hound them further. How peaceful to the FF live in the public eye? Do people pass them on the street without batting an eye? The FF cannot protect their kids from their dangerous lifestyle because their identities are known. That makes no sense. The fact that their identities are known makes their kids more likely to need protection. Someone gets angry at Reed Richards, they go attack his kids--probably ill advised, but still. Someone gets angry at Spider-Man, they got no one to hurt, because they don't know who he is (ignoring the events of Civil War). People are vicious and vindictive, and someone who cannot fight a superhero on their own ground will find other means of doing so, and that usually entails attacking those who cannot defend themselves, but mean something to the ones that can. Superheroes are "super" because they can do extraordinary things, and because they can do those things, they make themselves vulnerable to attack from things that are not necessarily right in front of them. Superheroes do the jobs that regular people cannot do, if they could then everyone would be one. If you have to save the world from a planet devouring monster, stopping to identify yourself is probably not the most important thing. Better yet, what if you are just trying to have a day off? Say Peter Parker is walking down the street minding his own business, but since everyone knows he's Spider-Man he can never get a day's rest because he's constantly nagged for help--and by help I mean things that Spider-Man wouldn't necessarily do even when he's working. Police seem to be the comparison, so we can say that even police get days off. They also get pay raises and chances for advancement up the corporate ladder. I don't think superheroes get that. Seems like we compare them to aspects of the police to support our arguments, but in reality, they aren't police. The don't get the benefits of being a police officer, and police officers don't get the hassle of being a superhero. No one asked them to be superheroes, but no one asked those cops to be cops either. It's a choice, and you get the good with the bad. The bad usually tends to be greater with superheroes than with cops. Cops are not usually public figures, and can easily escape when necessary. Superheroes cannot, and if their identities are revealed, any levels of escape they may have had are diminshed severely. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah yeah. lol. No, I was about to tell you I was going to bed myself. The FF are tools because they are the publics puppets. It's all about press. ;) I'm just kidding, I knew you'd hate that "tool" line. lol. I made some more updates to the music section. What I want to do is get one of those Wikipedia media players for the page, and use it to play a selected portion of the F13 theme song. I think that's easily justifiable for fair use. The thing is "ki ki ki, ma ma ma", but most people always confuse it with "ch ch ch, ka ka ka". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Just download it. I'm going to consult that media pages for help though, because I've never done it before. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If I can find something about people's mistakes, I will. If I'm giving SID's too much credit, you aren't giving them enough. The fantastic four can protect their own children? Well, let's see. First, aren't all their children superpowered beings? Aren't there 4 of them to do the protecting? The FF argument doens't apply to everyone I didn't see Spider-Man able to protect Gwen Stacy from death. Did you remark that Aunt May was shot over this as well. Captain Marvel has a SID, so does The Hulk, Wonder Man, Captain America, Antman...I'm sure there are plenty others with SIDs, but I don't know Marvel that well. This isn't about releasing names, it's about increasing the vulnerability. Knowing someone's true name does not help you control them, does not aid in villain arrests--regardless of what Shulkie says, you don't have to be present if you have concrete evidence, it's called an anonymous tip. If they don't want to give their real IDs, that should be their choice. It has no bearing on how they perform their job, or whether they can be trained. What point does it serve the government to have them? If it's for legal reasons with criminals, then that means their name would become public information whenever a trial took place. Thus, their name would be known to everyone eventually. Turning it into a "paid" service changes the whole idea behind being a superhero. The whole point of a superhero is not solely on the premise of ones ability to fight supervillains, but on the idea that it is their destiny to do that. It's in their heart. You might as well remove the whole idea behind superheroes, give them a badge and make them walk the beat--because by paying them you've basically turned them into cops. Who wants a cop saving them from some supervillain who couldn't give a flying rat's ass that they are registered or not. "Shulkie: 'Oh, can we reschedule this fight till tomorrow, I have go clock out.'". The act is destroying the principle if what they stood for. It isn't about personal gain. If that was the case, i think they would have come to the government a long time ago and been like "hey, here's my powers...want to hire me as an enforcer of peace?" BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In the real world we don't have superheroes. There are no people with special abilities--not that we're aware of at least. The argument doesn't exist. Would I care if some unlicensed superhero saved my ass from a burning building, or stopped my plane from crashing to the ground? Absolutely not. Obviously, if we have a need for superheroes in the world, then the government is already not doing their job to keep us safe. The premise for superheroes is because they do things us mere mortals cannot accomplish. If Air Force One was crashing, do you think the President is going to care that the being that saved him was an "unregistered"? I told you already that I agreed in the idea, just not the specifics. There should be a "registration" but that registration should be in a league of superheroes, and not with the government. First, the government doesn't "own" anyone, and that is what they are trying to do. Superheroes, though generally localized in the comics, are still "the world's heroes" and not any one places. Batman may stay in Gotham most of the time, but that's just his home. Superman may stay in Metropolis, Spider-Man in Manhattan, and so forth and so on, but those places don't own them. Superheroes are "freelance", the operative word being "free". They go where they are needed mostly. Do I believe they should be held accountable for their actions should those actions bring to harm an innocent person, or destruction of a building, absolutely. Do I think you need their identities, if they choose not to give them, to make them pay those consequences? Nope. To these heroes, the negative consequences severely outweigh any "rewards" for having your identity publicly known. If someone wants people to know it, good for them. But, if the government is trying to claim that they need their IDs for the purposes of arresting villains apprehended by these heroes, then yes, they are publicly known IDs then, because arrest records are public information. If they aren't using them for that, then what do they need them for? I still don't see a reason to have it. It's like saying "well it won't hurt, so why won't you do it?" It didn't hurt you, but maybe it will hurt me. Every person is different, every outcome a game of chance. That the FF thrive on is not something that Spider-Man will necessarily thrive on, or DD, or any superhero that doesn't wish the world to know who he really is. You cannot apply the outcome of some to the outcome of all.

Which F13 question? I answered one. I just didn't answer the Cooper question. I may mention it, but then again, I may save it for the Jason Lives page, since that's more in-line with marketing for that movie. Cooper didn't do all the music for that film, just a new song for it, and license to use one of his other songs. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't so much that love SIDs, it's that I respect the individual's right to protect themselves. I'd also like to point out that I don't read comics, and know very little about said comics when compared to those that do read them. Anyway, please feel free to find sources. Remember, the page can be edited by anyone..lol. (I.E. don't feel like I want to be the only contributer to this page. I welcome all help.). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope. At the moment, all my sources are coming from those two books. I've read some, and I own a few. I have all the comics for Superman's death, absence and return. I also have Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Emeral Dawn, Emerald Dawn II, New Dawn and I forget the other. Plus, you can get lost if you jump into a comic, they have such long histories. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Much easier with films. I can pop in a few films and in a few hours I know all there is to know. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's why I love Smallville, plenty of time getting you to like/hate each character. So far this season has kind of kept a nice steady strength to it. In the last episode, Clark got his cape. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

First, the cape isn't part of the "tights", and the rule applies to him wearing tights, not acquiring his suit. Second, it actually wasn't that cheesy. They were filming a movie version of "Warrior Angel" and the lead actress gave him Warrior Angel's cape after he saved her life twice. It was actually a very cool ending scene, because you see him walking back to his house and as the camera pans over you see that he has hung the cape up over the fence railing. Speaking of how Welling looks, I think you'll enjoy season seven episodes. As I've commented to my g/f multiple times, Welling has buffed up this season. Not only is his bigger than before, but his more toned than before as well. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Then you'll be happy to know they've cut it much shorter this season as well. No, she already watches Smallville. I had just pointed out that he had looked a bit bigger in the season premiere, and in the last episode you really saw it when he got the came. He was definitely larger and more toned than he has ever been before. Bizarro actually was pretty cool. A definite "mirror" of Clark. He kills a guy in that episode without a hesitation, and actually seemed to enjoy killing him. Also, what do you mean Jackman is a midget? He's 6'2"? That's like my height, and I don't have too many people calling me "short". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that was pretty cool when he turned the river of water into steam. You'll have to watch the whole episode to see how cool Bizarro actually came out. I can't wait for him to return to Smallville. Oooh, I thought you were saying that Jackman was a shrimp and the character should have been bigger. Yeah, he is kind of small in the comics. Wow, what grand writing in that panel you showed me..lol. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

What the hell is that?? LMAO. What about this one? or this classic one. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that was back in the early days when he used to discipline everyone. It was later that he became the "wholesome" guy who stood for "Truth, Justice and the American Way." That's some funny stuff though, especially the ones where he is getting spanked. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty messed up. That's also a crazy explaination. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, well a good TV show spawned from about 70 years of rubbish and gold. I'm sure you knew plenty of "rubbish" stories from Marvel. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It's linked in the TV section because there's such a gap between when it was first linked and when it was linked again. Unlike the film articles that were linked in the lead, and then immediately spoken of again in the first section. Though, I forgot to put the link to the first film back in the "Overview" section when I moved it above the development section. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Go listen to our new audio sample. :) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You probably need to redefine the player for your browser on the article page. When you click the "play" button, click the "more" option that is below it. It should drop down a box, then just click each of the players until you get one that plays the clip in the article--instead of in a separate browser. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I trimmed that excess stuff off the end, how does it sound now? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It was supposed to get the final "ma" at the end, but for some reason it isn't picking that up. When I listen to the actual clip that I cut on my computer, it sounds the way I want it to, but for some reason it isn't playing correctly in the upload. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, awesome. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

They film as they go along. They've probably filmed about 10 episodes at the moment, as there was an interview with Gough where he talked about Dean Cain filming his scenes while the interview was taking place, yet that episode wouldn't air for 2 or 3 weeks later. They get a jump start, because they have about 10 days to film. Then they take a winter break, try and get a jump start again, then another break...another jump start. For all intents and purposes, they film as they go through the season. So, if they show was canceled tomorrow, they'd air the remaining episodes they had filmed, which would probably be about 5 more...and that would be it. That would then become the "seventh season" technically. Anyway, it's the same principle behind listing how many episodes there are. Even if we could prove that they have filmed 5 more episodes, those 5 episodes haven't aired, and if they don't air--for whatever reason--then you wouldn't consider that part of the episode count. Technically, there aren't seven seasons of show, there are six seasons and a couple of episodes into the seventh. If the show cuts off tomorrow, and they never release the 4 episodes that have aired, could we say the show actually had seven seasons? We could say they started a seventh, but they never completed it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand the misconception seeing "6 seasons" can bring. Maybe the infobox itself needs to be adjusted to correct for that. It says on the page: "The number of seasons(non-UK) or series(UK) produced." It says the same thing for episodes: "The number of episodes currently produced." That's what makes me think that if we take "episodes currently produced" to mean "how many have been released" then I would have to take the same stance for season, which would be "how many seasons have been released". The semantics begins with, "how many episodes constitute a season?" Is it as soon as they air one episode? If that's the case, then Aquaman had a complete first season created. Is it the 10-12 episode mark, which is the "full season" number for many shows on USA and FX, like The Dead Zone and The Shield. Maybe that's something that needs to be clarified. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's an argument to make. But, it seems no one actually changing it wants to discuss their reasons for changing it. There certainly isn't anything written in guidelines or on the template page to suggest that is what the section is used for. Also, I'm not saying that these 4 episodes are not "season seven episodes", what I'm saying is that the section--to me, based on how we use the # of eps section--is for how many seasons have been completed. Should the season end tomorrow, I'd say, "ok, seven seasons have not concluded." Because, technically, Wikipedia is not a "current events" encyclopedia. If we actually followed that idea, you wouldn't write about things until they were completely finished. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure of my opinion. lol. ;) It was something that was done when I first came to the Smallville, so its something I've continued. I'll go to the infobox template and request opinions on the subject, and clarification on the template itself. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Break 3

Happy Halloween. Personally, I don't like them. First, the plot isn't large enough to support 2 images, and neither really adds anything to the section itself. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

You'll definitely get disagreement over their removal. I have no problem backing it up though. As for being featured, it wasn't recently featured. I think it was promoted well before there was that major shake-up with non-free images over at WP:FU. There are a couple of sections on that article that kind of strike me as irrelevant sections. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point about the criticism section. "Halloween II murders" should be part of the reception section. Almost everything in the "Alternate version" section is not in the source that is provided. It makes me think that someone masked original research with a source that mentioned some of the differences between the two versions. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say: "Release" with subsections "Box office", "Critical reception", "Controversy". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are reverted, then go straight to discussion. Then let me know. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It's happened to me before too. You go to correct vandalism and someone does it right before you, so you end up undoing them. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)