User talk:Patstuart/Archive 4

See comments on WP:RFI

Pat, I've reviewed the edits and commented in detail on the RFI page. One area that I can't comment on is regarding potential subtle vandalism to assorted band pages, and I'm unfamiliar with the genre. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 17:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I've said (and re-said) everything I can on the RFI. Take another look at it when you get a chance. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 19:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

He seems a bit less active at the moment. I noticed this questionable edit yesterday, where he changed goth to mainstream, but it was later deleted by another editor. I'm still not sure what's supposed to happen on WP:RFI; it's not clear what it takes to convince an admin to become involved, and I'm not even sure what the remedy is. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 15:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you hounding me, Jim Douglas? You call the edit to which you linked 'questionable'...I corrected some shocking grammar, and changed the statement so it more accurately fits the facts. What do you know about 'emo'? I must confess I don't know much about it, but what I do know is enough to realise that claiming it is influenced by gothic fashion is blatantly false, and was obviously added by a misinformed imbecile who can't write a coherent sentence. The influence on 'emo' must be mainstream fashion, because it is like a watered-down poserish form of commercialised punk. That's a fact - even those who listen to it must be aware of the poser element because they call it 'scenecore', showing that being a 'scenester' and seen as a fashionable member of the group is more important than the aesthetic merit of the music. I am not sure that I have heard 'emo' music, but I am sure it is aesthetically bankrupt, as most of that garbage is. The other editor probably deleted the sentence altogether because pointing out that 'emo' is mainstream is redundant. Note that they didn't revert my edit back to 'gothic' and bad grammar, because it was the edit of the anonymous person, not me, which was questionable. So please explain exactly what is questionable about my change. Show that I am wrong when I think you are harassing me, and trying to pick a fight by saying objectionable things about my actions. Either that, or apologise for insulting me. The Crying Orc 14:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

"Hounding"? Oh, please. I made that comment to Patstuart; you had to come looking for it. Yes, I said it was questionable; you'll also note that I didn't revert it. The entire sentence, including your change, was removed 20 minutes later with an edit summary of "deleted unneccessary and questionable content". You've demonstrated a pattern of injecting nonsense into articles, so at the moment, your edits are questionable by default. You have repeatedly displayed bad faith in your short time on Wikipedia. I direct your attention to the bold text in WP:AGF: This policy does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 15:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that edit does seem legit. Though I personally believe that emo is influenced by goth, though neither side would readily admit it (a.k.a. crossover bands like Good Charlotte, whose fashion sense is clearly gothic, but whose music is not); emo is considerably more mainstream too than goth. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

RC Patroller Mistakes Notice

I borrowed your noticebox and installed it on my talk page. If you object to this, I'll be happy to redact it. Thank you. E. Sn0 =31337= 16:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem; I actually just put it up this morning. And I like the "thank you for your patience" bit at the end; I think I'll steal that in turn. :-D -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:65.185.65.183

Good point, heh. You'd think I'd be especially cognizant of that, having originally blocked him, but I guess I'm having one of those days. Will play less gently with this prey. Luna Santin 21:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Teh blocked. Luna Santin 21:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

There you go. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

CC of reply

Sure, no problem - and thanks for your work against vandalism. I think the reason is fairly clear. I would imagine it's someone I've written about on SourceWatch, or who represents an organisation I've written about. Since they can't identify any factual errors in those article(s), they've been unable to get the content they object to removed from SourceWatch. Hence they've resorted to these extremely childish tactics. Based on the timing of when this started, and when it has sporadically resumed, I can make some guesses about which individual/organisation, but those really are only guesses so I don't intend to say whom! Cheers, --Neoconned 11:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Now, if I may wade in to this timely debate, I would like to point out that Neoconned is an individual that used to work for my firm but was fired after it was discovered that he had child pornography photos on his computer. I would like to point out that I tried hard to help him deal with his problem and even offered to pay for his treatment but it was thrown back in my face. Instead, he decided to write incorrect and harmful comments about people I know and the company on SourceWatch. None of Neoconned’s pages are fair or balanced. He manipulates everything he writes about. He also has a very strong personal relationship with Bob Burton who has given him carte blanch to attack people on SourceWatch. Also all wiki users should bear in mind that SourceWatch has been very critical of wikipedia. That includes Neoconned. Neoconned is also the person that has been phoning up people and harassing them as stated on his SourceWatch home page. Although Neoconned, or ‘Neo’ as he used to like to be called hides behind his alias I will not publicly embarrass him as it is up to him to reveal his identity. However, I do think it is very pertinent that he should tell people who he is. Why does he keep hiding behind his names and why does he keep ignoring this question? Where is the transparency? Answers on a postcard! R.Cooley - wiki 21:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Prejudice from Pat Stuart

I actually knew Dr. Alberto Rivera and interviewed him in 1982. He's on the level. The WikiP page on him is not neutral and obviously biased in favor of the pro-Catholic party line. If Pat Stuart is a fact checker and neutrality keeper he's a hypocrite. I resent my changes being tossed out because of a prejudiced Pat Stuart who claims to be a Christian, further compounding his hypocrisy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.146.99 (talk • contribs)

As per this comment: these contradictions led to the world-wide Protestant Reformation that re-discovered the essence of the Christian early church is salvation through faith in a pardon by Jesus Christ---not by good behavior in any church. I, for one, am a Protestant, and an unusually dedicated one, so I believe every word of this. But it's clearly a pro-Protestant, anti-Catholic message, and it has no place in the encyclopedia. If you think the rest of the article is biased, I encourage you to work on that. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, please see WP:NPA. I reverted your edits in good faith. If you have a good reason, and non-POV way of stating them, feel free. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Prof. Mohammad Mujeeb

Hiii

Thanks for the comments about my contribution regarding Prof. Mohammad Mujeeb. I very well understood, before adding it, that it may not be and should not be acceptable. My idea was to start the thread, and to gather information. If you observe there is nothing much about him, in the article except his role at JMI.

I hope to get more information about him.

Thanks once again. Taher —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahersn (talk • contribs)

No problem. I didn't read about the man closely enough to tell if he was an important figure or not; if he was notable, there shouldn't be any problem creating a stub article about him, so long as it doesn't contain copyrighted material. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Larry Craig

No Pat, you removed sourced articles about Larry Craig. And nowhere else is it mentioned in the article. 69.86.190.128 23:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right, someone else removed it. I will add it back in, but not in such a "ha ha, gotcha" kind of fashion. Besides, you're in violation of the WP:3RR rule. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Reason

Patstuart,

Mahound term was used by one or two peoples so it doesnt mean that it is his name's variant. And it is already there in Non-Muslim veiw of Muhammad. So there is no point to keep this word in variant. People are villify by many people but that doesnt mean it is his name variant. Everyone know the defination of variant. And 2ndly some people add this just because they hate him and wikipedia policy is neutral. So i want to keep this article away from skepticism, So that both muslims and non muslims would not be offended. I hope you will understand

Thanks you

Embarkedaxis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Embarkedaxis (talk • contribs)

You bring up a good point; I am going to add your comments to the talk page; I hope you don't mind. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Acts

To the Andalus it permanently makes vandalism acts in I articulate on demography of Chile. excuse me if I broke the rules of wikipedia. but the permanent vandalism of Andalus in Chilean articles is unacceptable. greetings from Puerto Montt, Chile —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.77.85.2 (talk • contribs)

Es claro que yo no estaba totalmente seguro que tus adiciones fueron el vandalismo, y me discuplo si Andaluz estaba vandalizando tambien. El problema es que dejaste una mensaje que era, en todo respeto, totalmente racista, y me era dificil creer que tus adiciones, que trataban de la raza en Chile, eran de "buena fue". Tambien, como dijo VoluntarySlave, estabas duplicando una seccion, y esto no es aceptable en una enciclopedia. Es posible que tienes buenas contribuciones, y sugerimos que seas audaz en anadir; pero sugiero que uses el Edit Summary para explicar los cambios. Ademas, me gustaria acordarte de la regla 3RR - tienes suerte que los administradores que te excluyeron, porque infringiste las reglas por mucho. Gracias, y espero que vuelvas a contribuir mas. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 16:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Dear Mr. "Patstuart", I am terribly sorry for any problems Franklin (ScoobyDooGuy1991) caused you, I just received his letter and he told me what happened. He's my sister's nephew, and for some reason is a huge fan of mine. The reason he caused all these problems was that he thought you were saying he was a liar, and knowing everything he said was true, it just hurt his feelings a little. I had a talk with him, and this shouldn't happen again. I am a little bit curious though, why there isn't anything on here about my coins, or me. I'm on tv.com and imdb.com, but it doesn't matter, I don't mind, I'm not too big a star. Again, I'm really sorry for any trouble that was caused. -Bradford N. Smith, and I'm new at this thing, so hopefully what I typed will show up correctly. Also, I typed this same thing in under "Bradford Smith Good Luck Tokens", but I'm not sure if you saw it, so I thought I'd type it in here.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhssoccer (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry about the incident, if it caused some hurt feelings. As the page is deleted, I can only speak from my memory, and from the log on your nephew's page, as to what it was. If I remember, it was some type of coins or pogs that he created and he and his friends liked to play. I do not doubt for a second that it was true, but it fails Wikipedia's notability guildelines, specifically WP:NFT; as Jim Douglas pointed out on Scooby's userpage, there was only one google hit, and that was on this encyclopedia. Please understand that there are rules to Wikipedia, and we cannot accept just anything. As to yourself, I would encourage you to try to create a page for your name, however, I'm not sure if even that would pass WP:BIO (you also might want to tread carefully on the Conflict of interest page, should you create it). However, if you think you can prove notability, I encourage you to add the page.

Also, please understand that your nephew was not banned for creating the page; it was for the way he conducted himself afterwards by vandalizing the talk pages of the people who had been involved in removing the page (my conscience is ticking at me; do me a favor and please don't get mad at him if you didn't know about this before; I wouldn't have written it if I thought you might). The official reason was a bad user name, which only holds some water (I don't think he was trying to impersonate anyone), but I suspect it had more to do with the vandalism. If your nephew were to appeal the block, he may or may not win, so long as he showed remorse, and promised to act in good faith from here on.

Finally, if you're still seeking answers, I encourage you to look at the log history of the Bradley Smith Good Luck Tokens page, and you can contact the administrator who removed it, as he can look on the actual contents of the page. He can also give a more official voice to Wikipedia than myself. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm supposed to let you know that I replied or if it automatically tells you, but I did under the article in your September archives. -Bradford N. Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhssoccer (talk • contribs)

--text of this note I've placed below -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)}--

Dear Mr. "Patstuart", I am terribly sorry for any problems Franklin (ScoobyDooGuy1991) caused you, I just received his letter and he told me what happened. He's my sister's nephew, and for some reason is a huge fan of mine. The reason he caused all these problems was that he thought you were saying he was a liar, and knowing everything he said was true, it just hurt his feelings a little. I had a talk with him, and this shouldn't happen again. I am a little bit curious though, why there isn't anything on here about my coins, or me. I'm on tv.com and imdb.com, but it doesn't matter, I don't mind. Again, I'm really sorry for any trouble that was caused. -Bradford N. Smith, and I'm new at this thing, so hopefully what I typed will show up correctly.

Thank you for replying back. I'll send a letter back to Franklin to tell him what you've said. He hasn't been punished or anything, so don't feel bad about it. Be forewarned, I'm sure he will be back on as soon as he has heard from me, but hopefully he won't cause any more problems. Let me know if he does, though, because I will be coming onto this site every chance I get, to see what he's up to. -Bradford N. Smith

Also, in your reference to the coins, those aren't a game or anything, they are things I have made and distributed all over the US. I really credit them as what has gotten me my acting and writing jobs, as thier success got me on David Letterman, The Tonight Show, and The Today Show, and really got me into the world of entertainment. -Bradford N. Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhssoccer (talk • contribs)

Wrongful Accusation (Lucid dream or whatever it is)

Dear Patstuart, I think you have made a mistake. I have been accused by you of editing Lucid dreaming with somethin bad. That wasnt me because at that time, i was having my dinner; if the IP addy is similar to mine, it might have been my twin sister messing around on her computer but from what i no, i have been accused of something i havent done.

From DJ MeXsTa —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ MeXsTa (talk • contribs)

Your username has no history of any contributions whatsoever, save the one you posted above. So I went to the page Lucid Dreaming, and I found that today I reverted this colorful edit: [1]. That is probably from your IP address, which has a reverse WHOIS to Telford, England. I will post this message on that talk page as well. In the meantime, I would advise you to have a talk with your sister. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheers homie, I have and she said she will stop, anyway, i did warn her id trash her room if she did it again :P—Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ MeXsTa (talk • contribs)

No, don't trash her room. Trust me, it's not worth it; she'll just hate you. But encourage her to add constructively to Wikipedia - I'm sure there are plenty of thins she likes, depending on her age (under 12? video games like yu-gi-oh, over 12? things like bands or the like). Good luck. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal insults

I made no personal insult - if you read the conversation in its entirety that would be clear. Without meaning to sound petty, this stemmed from HawkerTyphoon calling me an "idiot". Anything I have said in return pales in insignificance to his initial diatribe against me. StalinsLoveChild 23:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I did warn him, though not as strongly. I could only find part of the conversation, but what I could find, your edits were a bit more uncivil. Then again, I couldn't find where he used the word "shit", which he admitted to; but in any case, two wrongs don't make a right (for either person). -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Thanks for the warning - I may have been here longer than you, but I can get riled at times, and I'm not a brilliant Wikipedian. Thanks for helping out though, squire! HawkerTyphoon 23:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

I am well impressed to have been welcomed to wikipedia. I would be grateful for comment on my article 'numinosum'. As I wrote nearly all of it and it is my first.

Thanks so much,

--Interestedindividual 00:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Upon doing a little research, I found that there's already an article called Numinous, which is somewhat described in religious experience. I think that you might find some duplicate ideas, however I'm sure that several of your ideas could be incorporated into both articles. The two articles would best be merged (see the end of the article in the link). As for style, it looks pretty good, with two exceptions: 1) It's standard to put the name of the article on the top, and put it in bold (e.g., "A Numinosum is..."), and 2) Spacing issues (there are two spaces in betwen sections). But the latter is pretty irrelevant. I hope this helps. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Bradford Smith Good Luck Tokens

Is this the one? Was that part of the original article? At the time, I googled "Bradford Smith Good Luck Tokens" (and variations of that phrase) and found zip. Without verifiable references, there's absolutely no way to tell something like that from your garden variety stuff made up in school. What did you do that requires an apology? -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 03:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No, the apology was his (he said "sorry if my sister's nephew caused trouble..."). I think I'll retitle the section. I'm quite busy (or at least I plan to be); do you think you could follow up with him and explain the notability situation? Or ask for a link or something? I hate to look lazy, but like I said, I'm going to be busy, and I hate to leave them hanging like this. I'm going to say something briefly on his page about how ScoobyDoo didn't tell us any of this to state his case. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, ok; I misunderstood when you said "apology". Consider the followup done. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 03:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks, appreciated. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, done. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 03:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The bot

I was not the one that blocked your bot. Apparently this issue was brought up on WP:AN: [2] and hence it was blocked. About the reversions, some of the warnings were fairly recent, so they were "re-added," shall we say. Sorry if there was any confusion regarding this. --²¹⁰physicq (c) 03:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't my bot, actually. I was just curious. If I were to write the bot, I would make sure that only warnings more than a few days old were removed, and even those were archived. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I apologize for my mistake (changed "your" into "the"). Anyway, the bot was blocked pending further discussion. --²¹⁰physicq (c) 04:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Larry Craig

Check the sources. These sources are not reliable sources for substantiating an allegation even if presented as rumours. Note that I am for full disclosure, but amplifying a rumor is not responsible. Add that to Wikinews if you want, but not to the article. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I did check the rumors. Apparently, several newspapers are reporting on it, so i thought it was noteworthy, if only to say "this is a rumor from a blogger". Granted, 69.86 was extremely biased (if you look at the history, he couldn't quit trying to make it look worse on Larry; I was actually one of the people reverting his edits). But you're the WP:BLP expert; I read the policy, and it seemed ambiguous at best on the deal. I will revert my revert, and let someone else pick it up. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe I shouldn't; enough people have touched the thing since I last edited, that it's not worth it. Sorry. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I changed the wording to highlight the fact that these are unconfirmed rumors. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

TE EXPLICO

HOLA ME ALEGRO QUE DOMINES TAN BIEN MI IDIOMA, TE EXPLICO, QUE LA PAGINA DEMOGRAFIA DE CHILE ES MUY ANTIGUA, LA VERSION QUE DEFIENDO ES PRECISAMENTE LA ANTIGUA , ANDALUZ ES EL QUE LA CAMBIA CON VANDALISMO. MIS FUENTES SON MULTIPLES ENTRE ELLAS, LAS DE CIA World Factbook 2006 Y el ministerio de relaciones exteriores de España (WWW.MAEC.ES/Home/Países y Regiones Chile/Nota País Antarcticwik 05:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ya deje una mensaje en la discusion aqui: User_talk:164.77.85.2. Si cambias la pagina, sugiero que proveas las fuentes. Me parece claro que ustedes estan en un "edit war"; y nadie esta vandalizando. Solo que hay diferencias en lo que debe tener la pagina. Si el te acusa de vandalizar, pero no es el vandalismo, tu puedes responder en tu pagina con palabras como "I am not vandalizing; it is just a disagreement on edit content". Y le pedire que no deje tales mensajes en tu pagina. Pero mensajes racistas no ayudaran tu causa. Perdon si mi dominio del espanol no es bueno. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 14:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

duplication? the version that I defend is but the old one. the vandal is Andalus not I. Antarcticwik 17:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Look closely at the version you're reverting; you'll notice the same paragraph is inserted twice, and it's been that way for quite a while now. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

it rectifies itAntarcticwik 18:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Phantom city studio‎, copyvio or db-copyvio?

Hi. I tagged Phantom city studio‎ as a copyvio and blanked it, and noticed you changed that to db-copyio. I guess I didn't entirely realize those were different things, and was curious why you changed it. Thanks! Natalie 18:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Db-copyvio is a new thing, and was, I suspect, originally meant to stem the amazing increase in coyrighted material. It used to read "and was created in the last 48 hours", until Jimbo Wales, the creator and owner of Wikipedia (who is understandably paranoid about copyrights), changed it. Now, I would almost say the copyvio is a legacy tag. I changed it back to yours, however, because I could not find the text on the URL you mentioned. If you could find the exact URL where these words are mentioned, I imagine the administrators would probably fiond that helpful. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

copyvio means "I believe that this article has a copyvio issue, but the article may be salvageable, so you have a week to fix it."

db-copyvio means "This article is a blatant ripoff of some particular web site, and it should be deleted immediately."

-- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 18:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha. As for the exact website, I'll look for it again - I may have copied it wrong. But I think the article has been deleted already anyway. Thanks for the info. Natalie 18:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Accuasation of vandalism

i have been acused very cheekily i may add of vandilising a page as this is the first time ive visited this site that cant be possible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.71 (talk • contribs)

You are hailing from an AOL IP address. AOL IP addresses are dynamic, and the message you got was meant for someone else. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem.

You'er right. Some things are best left to rest. Suffice it to say that our little monster is a silly little child who's been given a very long timeout in the corner.  :) - Lucky 6.9 02:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Chile

You will notice that the only thing the user (and all his associated IPs) does to the article in question is blank a lot of content, removes all sources, while at the same time introduces his unsourced nonsense. By all means, that accounts to vandalism as stated by WP. Also, he has been warned various times by other users and/or admins on his IP's talk pages to that vandalism, and has been warned that it constitutes vandalism, and has been warned from making racist, anti-semitic, anti-black, anti-arab, anti-amerindian, personal attacks on users talk pages. Al-Andalus 02:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You will notice I addressed some of his concerns above in the section of this talk page - TE EXPLICO. It responds to this person's username, and also gives a link to some comments I made on the IP address. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I apologize if this user is a vandal, and you were reverting genuine vandalism. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

MuchMusic Countdown number-one videos of 2000

Hi

Thanks for changing the article name. It was a mistake. User:Ksrgn edited my article MuchMusic Countdown number-one videos of 2001 at the succession box so that the link MuchMusic Countdown number-one videos of 2001 became MuchMupoopsic Countdown number-one videos of 2001. The contents for MuchMusic Countdown number-one videos of 2000 are now up. I'm pretty new to editing wikipedia articles, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agdonald (talk • contribs)

No problem. He's been given a preliminary warning. If he does it again, feel free to give me a hollar. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My Auburn Football Team Articles.

I'm trying to go year by year and add the schedule and results. Then go into each one and add more specific facts about that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballfiji (talk • contribs)

Pat, please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject College Football - as a PSU fan you might find the project interesting and you'll also note that Footballfiji was led astray by a typical construct found in the Project's articles (a season navbox) such as Auburn Tigers football or 2006 LSU Tigers football team. Oh, here's one you might like: 2006 Penn State Nittany Lions football team. AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 05:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Originally, I saw his contributions, and wanted to say something because I thought he wasn't quite doing it right, and I knew someone else would definitely take exception, so I said something. I actually thought they came down on him a little hard for a newbie; I didn't think it worth deleting the articles. That being said, I think it makes more sense to make individual articles about contemporary teams then every one of the old ones, don't you? I'll admit, I've even contributed to the 2006 PSU article. If you think I'm in error, feel free to say something. Thanks. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 14:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree on the individual articles for new seasons being more prevalent than historic seasons, and there is a talk page discusions at the College football project about guidelines on how to appropriately address historic seasons. Some may be concerned about WP bias towards the new, but the simple fact is there are more referencable sources for what is happening now (and last 20years) than what happened 100 years ago. It's only natural that will happen . AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re; Baikal Mountains

That's O.K. I accidently saved it too soon. I'm still working on it and will be careful not to save it agin until it is ready. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 03:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was a little weird warning an established editor like that. Anyway, you know you can create test pages, like User:Mattisee/Sandbox. A lot of people do that. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't because old article saved by mistake hasn't been deleted yet. Should I save it under a made up name and change it later? Mattisse(talk) 04:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure you can. Just put it right in the article. I don't think any admin will be mad for removing a db-empty tag when replacing with valid content. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Smile

My pleasure! :-) KrakatoaKatie 08:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

deadsville cobras

hi there, why did you touch the cobras page? defomd Defomd 17:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't sense the article showed the notability of the organization. I've removed the deletion request; the rest of the format changes I made will stay though; I think you'll find those for the better anyway. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Mission Page.

Please check your information before you revert a page, then rerevert it to the information that you thought was wrong. I go to Mission and I know everything that goes around; any edits to the page whether recent information about staff or old information as history will be true. I always clear them with another student on ASB or the Principal.

Not getting on ya, just giving the information. :]

HackerStyle 18:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You'll notice that as soon as I reverted the page, I undid my reversion, though. On recent-pages patrol, it's easy to get to goof occasionally (see big message at the top of my page), and once the page has been reverted, I can only undo my reversion like I did on that page. Pardon the disruption. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I notice notice too, from your talk page, that I wasn't the only one who goofed and thought your edits were bad. Please understand, high schoolers have an ungodly pension to think it's hilariously funny to vandalize their school page; half the high school pages on this pedia are already corrupt. So we can be very suspicious of changes, especially changing the principal and making the school mascot to be "chippy the chipmunk" and the like. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated Jesse_Kornblum article

Hi Pat,

I received your note about the Jesse_Kornblum article and have updated it to show how the subject is notable. Please let me know what you think and if more details are needed.

thanks,

-- Jesse

Michael J. Bassett

Hello Paststuart. You left me a notice on my article about Michael J. Bassett. This estabilished, and well loved director is quite important and critically allaimed. I see no reason why this article should be deleted. If you could help me find a way to somehow prevent this articles deletion, I would be quite grateful. Thanks again.

(Nintendofan 7 18:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC))

The article appears to be doing alright right now. It was not speedy deleted. It looks like it's asserting enough importance as is. Anymore, it will probably not be speedy deleted, only given a proposed deletion (needs to stay for 5 days) or an afd tag, which means community members discuss (it's much like a vote, though). I would place information under the dicussion page, however, explaining how you think Mr. Bassett fits the WP:BIO profile. Good luck. By the way, I thoroughly enjoyed Ned Divine.

Should this fail, you can always go to the Wikipedia:Deletion Review page; this should help, I think -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC) -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Pastuart. :]

(Nintendofan 7 20:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC))

Your comment on my talk page

I believe that a {{blp1}} warning to a user who has inserted material that he has been informed is BLP violation no less than five times in a single day is not only appropriate, but necessary. If I was an admin, I would have blocked the user for 24 hours. - Crockspot 18:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply

What have I vandalized? All I did was expand the section. I see no vandalism in that. --Mikedk9109 (sup) (stalk me) 22:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't vandalism; sorry; I immediately deleted my entry. :[ -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, ok. --Mikedk9109 (sup) (stalk me) 22:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Free speech

Ok, this is a rhetorical question. :-) But why do so many vandals spout off about "free speech!"? Have they ever actually read the Bill of Rights? Wikipedia isn't a branch of the United States government; it doesn't have free speech. I'm sometimes tempted to ask one of those people to point me to where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights it says they have the right to scrawl their personal opinions on private property, but I suspect it would be a waste of time. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 23:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know man, my heart was just bleeding for his violated rights. He should be able to say whatever he wants, whenver. Granted, Wikipedia wouldn't exist in that case, but we are talking about human rights. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack??

I wasn't attacking him. his tone in discussion was becoming increasingly distasteful, which i felt needed to be brought to his attention. come to think of it, all my discussons with admin. have been a bit distasteful. you guys seem to have a knack for being condescending and underhandedly rude.

this of course excludes you, as i have not noticed any particularly rude behaviour from you personally, and for that i thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianlarson (talk • contribs)

rvv?

which edit are you refering to ? If you are refering to the last one on Saturn, there was vandalism. ArthurWeasley 00:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No, and older one. Nvm, it probably wasn't any of my business anyway. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

re: Treasure Box

Restored in place but without the text which was an apparent copyvio. It needs some serious expansion, though. And it's been too long since I read the book to attempt it, I'm afraid. Rossami (talk) 01:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Um... actually, it was only the short thing at the top which was a quote from the book cover. The whole plot I provided on my own. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. Grabbed the wrong version from history. Is it fixed now? Rossami (talk) 01:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is! I know the English might not be very good (my writing skills are certainly not perfect), but I appreciate that much. Thanks again. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, there may still be copyright issues with the article. Remember that the plot itself is covered under the copyright. An article which is exclusively (or even a majority) plot summary can be considered a violation of the fair-use exception. A proper encyclopedia article about a book should primarily include things like analysis, literary influence and social impact. The version you have probably won't be speedy-deleted but we still have to bring the article into balance in a reasonable period. Happy editing. Rossami (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Crap, OK, thanks. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

vandalism, just so you know/can pass on the word

The user at IP address 220.239.186.227 vandalized the article Lithic stage. I already reverted the vandalism, but I noticed all the comments on his talk page concerning prior vandalism, so I'm letting you know. You probably know who to contact/what to do about it more than I. Sdr 06:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You rock! (Despite being a Steelers fan...)

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Just about the time when I'm ready to revert vandalism, you beat me to it. I almost decided not to give you this, considering your Steelers stole the Super Bowl from my Seahawks, but your vandalism fighting is that good. -- SkerHawx 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Guinea

I am incredibly sorry! I did not know that my comments would actually edit the web page! Thank you for telling me about the sandbox tool, it rocks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.155.26 (talk • contribs)

Hey

So... do I owe you now? Richardkselby 21:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope; I have no desire to have anyone pay me for anything. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome, Jim

I greatly appreciate your art and effortJoanna eye spy 21:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, although my name is Pat. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I used to know a guy named Pat and we always called him Jim because he used to break into our house by "Jim"mying open my door. Sorry, about thatJoanna eye spy 22:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

A little (spammed) thank you

➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Patstuart for reasoned, thoughtful production of ideas when asked for them in a debate that have helped me and others and have thus improved Wikipedia for everybody. Thank you.

Thank you! -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah

I guess I'd better get used to the Seahawks losing again. When your starting RB, QB and 3 of the 5 OL are out, it's not going to be a good year. Why couldn't the Steelers just let us have the trophy last year? It'll be another 20 years before we get there again... :) SkerHawx 22:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

John Zarr

I did not create the article, I just added the db-bio template, just wanted to point that out. Keep up the great work! BJ 02:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I was a little confused, because I looked at the edit history, and only saw your name; but you are the one adding db-bio to articles. I guess there was some confusion; I apologize for the inconvenience. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Pat, now that you know the warning template was a mistake, you should also remove it or strike it out from User talk:Bjweeks. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 02:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Feels sheepish* Of course :( Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Roswell, Georgia

Please see Wikipedia:Profanity. Thank you. --NE2 03:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It says In original Wikipedia content, a profanity should either appear in its full form or not at all; words should never be bowdlerized by replacing letters in the word with dashes, asterisks, or other symbols. I guess you're right, then. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Mr Finishwinner has come to this wikipedia to vandalise Lucien Petit-Breton and Category: Breton Cyclists, and recognizes it on my discussion page.Shelley Konk 04:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've left a note on his talk page about the proper procedure for removing categories. :) -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

My user page

I was just showing my buddy around Wikipedia :) BJ 05:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Gosh; I'm bound and determined to get on your bad side somehow tonight! Again, accept my humble apologies. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem, with the amount of vandalism fix your bound to make a few mistakes. Keep up the great work! :-) BJ 05:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the Rv correction on Pope Benedict XVI

Thank you very much for making the correct revert on Pope Benedict XVI. I just can't stand vandals screwing up valuable information. I jumped the gun however in thinking he listed the incorrect University. Thank you for your patience.¤~Persian Poet Gal 05:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem; I've been known to jump the gun a bit myself, something I'm trying to work on really hard. But it's understandable, as 75% of IP edits to articles of importance are vandal edits, or people just changing the facts to suit whatever their bias may be. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Revertfesting.

Did you take a look at the edit history? It is somewhat rediculous. -- Avi 05:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I did, that was why it made me laugh so much. I was a little surprised FF7 would actually report the other guy when he was in such blatant violation himself. It's like two kids in the playground, both telling on each other for doing the same thing. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bignole:

• 15:57, October 28, 2006
• 16:45, October 28, 2006
• 17:51, October 28, 2006
• 09:57, October 29, 2006

Seems like he did. Earlier than the other two, but was caught in the fray, and contributed to it. Re: playground, maybe that's why they call it the sandbox? -- Avi 05:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, I didn't notice; prob wasn't as guilty as the others, but you're right. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)