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Archive 51: February 2019

About marked for deletion Marcio Cerquinho

Hello! Why "Simply does not meet notability criteria."? Marcio is Brazilian curling champion, member of national teams, participant of at least five top-level world tournaments (3 World championships an 2 World Cup legs). As we can read at Wikipedia:WikiProject Curling/Article Guidelines#Notability: "... 2. Has participated at the World Curling Championships or the World Mixed Doubles Curling Championship." (and here that's it at least) I don't understand... -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Алексей Густов - I'm sorry. I missed this message. That was my error, shouldn't have tagged it.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Torsten Grönfors

His name is spelled wrong it is "Thorsten", as you can see in all provided links and sources. So why delete? Emanuelkarlsten (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Then you have to "move" the article, so that its editing history is maintained. What you did was a WP:CUTANDPASTE move, which loses attribution. If you can't move the article because there is an existing page which is blocking the move (in this case, possible the redirect?), then you have to request the blocking page be deleted so you can move the page. Hope this helps.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Tom Crowder

Here are my reasons to keep Tom Crowder's article:

• He was an important player for his college and high school, both in football and track.
• He played in NFL Europe.
• He did play 2 games in the NFL, although most of his time was spent on the practice squad.

You make the decision that feel is best. It would be important to consult fans from the University of Arkansas.Tecmo (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Please look at WP:NCOLLATH, which he doesn't make, regardless of how ardent the fans of UofAK are. And he didn't play in a single NFL game, so he doesn't pass WP:GRIDIRON. Sorry.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Gyan bharti edits

i think you removed too many matter.. basic info about school are not promotional like about Science and IT block and many things Includents.h (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. Very promotional, and totally uncited.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:45, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Dab corrections

Hello Onel, I have corrected the falt that was done, I have sited that that Clayton is of Manchester, Historically in Lancashire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.66.1.64 (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello Onel, I have corrected the falt that was done, I have sited that that Clayton is of Manchester, Historically in Lancashire. So can remove that "disambiguation needed" sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.66.1.64 (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely. Anytime something is tagged and you make the correction, you can remove the tag. I've done it for you. If you want to get more involved in editing, you might sign up for your own account. That way it's easier to contact you. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for reviewing Buena Vista Social Club Presents Ibrahim Ferrer; much appreciated.
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I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Thomas Hunt (slaver)

Regarding your reversion of my edits: Can you kindly participate in the talk page to determine whether the redirect to Squanto is preferable to a stub about Thomas Hunt? https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Thomas_Hunt_(slaver) Thank you. Cbmccarthy (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tom Crowder

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This

Was this done by accident? 92.13.138.198 (talk) 00:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Alberto Nassetti

Why you remove this page (redirect to Airbus Industrie Flight 129 ) ? I'm Alberto's brother. Alberto must die a second time? His life is not just the Toulouse accident. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.72.160.92 (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about your brother, but WP is WP:NOTMEMORIAL.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Why, I can't reply "no words"? Alberto's page is not a memorial page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.72.160.92 (talk) 13:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Because "no words" is a null term. No point in leaving it. Your argument above was that it was a memorial, for that is the only value in the article as per WP standards.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Members Only, Vol. 2

I do not see a reason in the slightest to remove a whole album that clearly has historical context. It does not need to be redirected. If you think it needs to be worked on, leave a comment, don't delete the whole body of work. I personally worked very hard on that and it was extremely disrespectful.Cameronsmiley2345qwerty (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Cameronsmiley2345qwerty - And I find it extremely disrespectful when editors don't learn the notability requirements and then leave rude comments. If you wish to work on the article, do so in draft space. In fact, I've moved it for you. You can now find it at Draft:Members Only, Vol. 2 (Mixtape). Now you can work on it until it meets notability requirements as per WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG. Do not leave a comment on my page again, they will be summarily removed. Also, learn to sign your posts. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Didn't mean to be rude, thank you for moving it. You may remove this post.Cameronsmiley2345qwerty (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't remove polite comments, Cameronsmiley2345qwerty. If you need help on the article, don't hesitate to ask. And please remember to "sign" your comments on talk pages with four tildes (like this: ~~~~).Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, as well as the guidelines. Cameronsmiley2345qwerty (talk) 19:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Deleted messages from your talk page

In this edit John shaftman (now blocked for socking/undisclosed paid editing) removed a bunch of messages from your talk page. Perhaps you'd like to review them and maybe add them to one of your archives. - Alexis Jazz 02:03, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation Links

Hi!

I just wanted to say thank you for cleaning up after the mess I made on AES64! I'm still a bit new to editing and should have realized that disambiguation pages weren't very helpful to link to. So thanks! :) GodRaine (talk) 03:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi GodRaine - No worries. I don't know how many dabs I created before I learned to check. On your preferences page, if you click on the gadgets tab, and scroll down to the appearances section, you can click on the "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". That way, when you make an edit, you can see what links to a dab page. Hope this helps.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Actually that's super helpful - thank you again!! GodRaine (talk) 03:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Eagleash (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eagleash - and the reason would be? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, kind of an accidental edit. I immediately re-reviewed it. It did have the effect of removing the deletion icon from the new page feed though! Eagleash (talk) 00:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries, Eagleash - I've done that on more than one occasion myself. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I had missed. Keep up the good work.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Short descriptions

Please note when you're doing your short descriptions that much of the MBTA system is not in Boston. Central station (MBTA), for example, is in Cambridge - a separate municipality. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Cwrt Rawlin Primary School

Please review the policy again before PRODing non toxic articles. Thanks. It would save a lot of work others having to review the reviews of the reviewers ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, Kudpung - don't know why I didn't simply redirect.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Reverting Copy/Paste Move

Hello, why did you revert me on First Shō Dynasty, House of First Shō, Second Shō Dynasty, and House of Second Shō? I was moving them due to a poor translation to English, I left an edit description saying what I was doing, and I left the copy/paste template on all the talk pages. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 18:27, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sturmgewehr88 - What you did is called a "cut and paste move". Please read WP:CUTANDPASTE. When you do that, you lose the history of the article's attribution, which is against WP's rules. You must instead "move" the page, which keeps the history. If yo can't move it (for instance, if there is a redirect blocking the move), you must request the blocking page be deleted as per WP:G6, a housekeeping move, and simply state that you wish it deleted in order to move a page. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@Onel5969: Ah, I was going off of WP:COPYWITHIN; it said I just had to leave an edit summary linking where the copied information came from as I did with this edit. Either way, I’ve added a G6 deletion request on the redirects so the articles can be moved. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 21:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

COPYWITHIN is used when copying material from an existing page into another already existing article, or when splitting information off from an article into a new article. You failed to read the entire guideline, wherein it discusses WP:CUTANDPASTE moves in section 6.1, which is what you did. But thanks for doing it the right way, now. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Nicholas_Sneathen

Hey you sent this page back to draft claiming not enough footnotes. Draft:Nicholas_Sneathen. "Footnotes" are not required for referencing as you know and this page has 12 well formated refs (I know, I formated them). Please move back. Legacypac (talk) 19:16, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Legacypac - while not required, they should be there. Without them, an article of that length isn't ready for mainspace. In addition, without those footnotes it is difficult to ascertain the notability of the subject. BTW, thanks for all you do over at AfC. I used to do quite a bit of work there myself, and I know how difficult it can be.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

The creator is long gone. I found the page in Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Stale drafts. It is fairly obvious where some of the paragraphs are sourced too. I feel topic is notable even just because so much can be written about someone who died so long ago, but if you feel strongly otherwise AfD is available. We had a page on a "body servent" of George Washington (about all we know about the person) kept at AfD based on a single memtion in one source, similar era. Legacypac (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Indy Lights

Thank you for keeping an eye on Indy Lights etc. Do you think it's worth a visit to WP:AN/3RR or shall we wait and see if our IP friend responds on the talk page first? Technically, the last round of edits are from a different address, but it's within the same /64 (i.e. typically allocated by the ISP to the same customer), and has an unmistakable quack. Certes (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries Certes - The initial change was to like 10 NASCAR (or other US racing articles). Not worth the 3RR report, imho. I've requested page protection, so let's see if that takes care of it. Good work on Dabs, btw. Have you ever thought about doing more article creation? That way you could get autopatrolled, and then perhaps help out over at NPP. You have a good eye. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:00, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks but I'm not sure I'm cut out for NPP. I'm an inclusionist, and many would consider me too soft in allowing new articles. Whilst I appreciate everyone's work in signing off my page creations, it's up to the NPP team to set autopatrolling criteria which fit their work patterns, rather than for individuals to game the system by artificially inflating their statistics. They could consider manually granting autopatrolled to everyone who's created, say, 1000 pages if that helps reduce their workload. Certes (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I see that a discussion I started has attracted a !vote. The comment may be a little light on reasoned argument and policy references, but it's good to see a brand new editor find their way around Wikipedia so quickly. Certes (talk) 18:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

It finally came to me

Hello O. I know you've been working away adding "short description" tags to the 'pedia. Something about them kept rattling around in my memory. Today I finally remembered the "Persondata" section that was at the bottom of our biography articles. It seems that if you edit here long enough everything old is new again :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It's not that I seek them out, but my WP philosophy is do what you can when you can. So, since there is a movement to put these on every wikipage to assist mobile users, it doesn't take much effort to do. If I can't figure out how to succinctly state a description of the article, I simply take a pass.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

A good and useful WP philosophy. I went searching and found that persondata was deprecated almost four years ago - hmmm I thought it was more recent - dratted dusty old memory banks. Have a pleasant week. MarnetteD|Talk 05:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Unreviewed C-class article

Hi, since you marked a recent stub of mine as reviewed, I wonder if you would be good enough to do the same for a C-class article that has been sitting in unreviewed limbo for over a month: Anna Maria Erdődy. I can find no good reason why it should have been 'passed over' in this way and left unreviewed... Thanks for your consideration and help. Alphaten (talk) 12:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Alphaten - Patience is a virtue... . Your article wasn't "passed over". Currently the backlog at NPP goes back to December. It's not unusual for an article to sit in the queue for a few months. But it was a nice article, keep up the good work.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Onel5969 - Many thanks for your prompt attention. I will certainly bear your admonition in mind in future :) Alphaten (talk) 13:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

"Portugese"

Just to let you know that I have corrected your typo ("Portugese") in short descriptions. SLBedit (talk) 01:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you so much for doing that, SLBedit. Won't make that mistake again (hopefully). Again, thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Re: Discord (album)

Hello, I was unsure if I should reply on my talk page or yours, so I thought yours would most likely be best. I also apologize for the lack of formatting in my first e-mail (I was on mobile, and my mobile is very old, I was unsure if it would use any type of code).

I tried to read the WP:NALBUM article you linked, and I have difficulty understanding it 100%. Either way, I don't see why the album does not meet the requirements as the article I wrote followed exactly as another article of a different album produced by that artist. So I think it's notability is in check. Because I copied the formatting of a different article to ensure accuracy (and a higher chance of approval) what about it made it a stub?

Also, the ways I've seen for making a new article all consist of "searching for the topic and choosing the red link to create it if it does not show up" but I cannot do this for this album as "Disorder (album)" (which would be the articles name) is taken as a redirect. Since I am not of higher status on Wikipedia, I cannot delete a redirect. I am a little frustrated as what I want to do is simple and inline with guidelines and such, but seem to be going in a circle. I'd like to ask for help.

Also, I apologize if I sound angry or agitated, it's mainly at my own self for not being able to fully understand and utilize the site. None towards you. --CresentCross (talk) 07:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi CresentCross - First, it's common practice to keep conversations together, so you could've responded on your talk page, but we can continue talking here. Regarding other articles being like the one you created, that's called "other stuff exists". That's a very good practice for when you are first starting to create articles. However, WP is run by volunteers, so there's a lot of crap out there, which isn't really up to encyclopedic standards. The fact of it being a stub is simply the amount of info contained in the article. Third, I never said the album wasn't notable, simply that the article didn't show it met the notability standards. For example, if an article didn't exist about Ronald Reagan, I could write a one-line stub which says "Ronald Reagan was an American politician." Now, there's no doubt Reagan is notable, but the article I wrote doesn't show how he is notable. The article you wrote suffers from the same issue. It may be notable, but you didn't say how or why it meets any of the 7 criteria in WP:NALBUM. Your article simply cited discogs, which shows the album exists, but doesn't show notability. Look at those 7 criteria, see which one(s) the album meets, then add those to the article. Also, you'll need to add a footnote to show where you got the information. Finally, the last thing is that you might consider simply working on existing articles for a while, until you get used to WP, rather than jumping right in on article creation. Regardless, don't hesitate to ask for help.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Onel5656 - I understand for the most part what you are saying (also I apologize, I didn't mean for it to sound like you said it's not notable, I meant in general) I copied the format from this exact article of an album by the same artist. I can't see almost any difference between that article and mine. I used the same first sentence and replaced the key information. Also, I am not entirely sure how/what "to cite" or "footnote" means. My understanding was that they were somewhat synonymous. I added a reference because I thought that'd help with it's notability/approval. I also don't really know where to fill that information, I would have when following the other albums format, but I didn't see anything of it. Can I use the same link as the cite and footnote? Can the artists official discography website be used as a cite? Also, again, I did try to read the article you linked about notability, but I find it hard to understand unfortunately. This is also why I ask for your help, to maybe put some things in lameman's terms.

If I made a draft of the article in my sandbox, would you be able to point things out? So that when it's in a likely to be approved state, it can be copy and pasted to make the real article?

Also, I use the Fandom wiki (not sure if you've heard of it or seen it's layout and use of HTML) so I am much more familiar with that when it comes to practice and codes. But I am aware that it's mostly a watered-down version of WP. But it did allow me to become familiarized with codes, therefore the start to WP was a little less jarring. --CresentCross (talk) 11:25, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi again CresentCross - sorry to take so long to respond, but real life got in the way, and I wanted to answer you in-depth. First, citations and footnotes are similar, but not identical. Citations, also called references, are listed at the end of the article. Footnotes are annotated within the body of the article, and then also appear at the end of the article. There are various ways this occurs. Most editors label the footnotes section, "References", I think mainly because what goes there is the {{reflist}} template, which automatically collects and numbers the footnotes. In many articles, this is the only section for references. In addition to the footnotes, some editors then list other source material in this section, either before or after the footnotes. Some editors break these additional sources into a separate section, titled "Bibliography", or "Additional references". Other editors will label the section with the reflist "Footnotes", and the additional ref section, "References". It's just a matter of personal preference. Personally, I use the "References" for the footnotes, and "Additional references" for the other. In addition to those, there is also a section called "External links". You can read about what goes there at WP:EL. Regarding formatting them, it's easy once you get the hang of it.

The issue with your article was that it didn't establish notability. WP:NALBUMS is what is known as a "specialty notability", also known as "SN". These are notability criteria outside of WP:GNG, which are specific to different types of articles. This was done because it was realized that there might be some notable subjects which couldn't reach the GNG threshold. For example, certain academics are considered automatically notable if they meet certain criteria, but might not have enough independent coverage to pass GNG. Same thing with Albums. Here's my take on the 7 specialty criteria:

1 Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it.

This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries except for the following:

1 Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about the recording, and all advertising that mentions the recording, including manufacturers' advertising.

2 Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases. - to me, this is redundant, as it seems to be simply the same thing as wp:gng.

2 The single or album has appeared on any country's national music chart. - This does not mean any chart, but the national chart of a country, which would be the Billboard chart in the U.S. or the Oricon chart in Japan.

1. The recording has been certified gold or higher in at least one country. - This one is pretty self-explanatory, has the record been certified as Gold, Platinum or silver, see: Music recording certification#Certification thresholds
2. The recording has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. - Again, self explanatory, if the album has won one of these awards, it's notable.
3. The recording was performed in a medium that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications). - This one, imho, is the most problematic, as this is the most subjective. For example if "I'll Be There for You" had not reached #1 in Canada, and wasn't a platinum album, it would still be notable for being the theme of a long-running notable television show. However, the theme from The Wiggles, might not be deemed notable.
4. The recording was in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. - I actually can't help you with this one, as I have never come upon an album which fits this criteria.
5. The recording has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. - I actually can't help you with this one, as I have never come upon an album which fits this criteria.

Finally, yes, I'd be willing to help you develop the article in your sandbox, and this can be where you figure out citations/footnotes. Simply shoot me a message here to take a look and I will. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)