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Archive 31: June 2017

Request on 06:56:28, 2 June 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by MeggieFC


Hello, I needed some clarification regarding the article I edited.


Thank you very much for reviewing my article Film Companion! I've been waiting for quite some time! I wanted to clarify some doubts about editing the article with you. Could you elaborate what you mean by In-depth coverage? Also, seeing as the article may have notablity and reliability issues I was wondering if the sources I used are okay? The sources are from the main newspapers of the Country where Film Companion is situated. If I look for more relevant information and source them to these papers, would that be enough? Do I need something more? Also, I'll work Immediately on the paid editing issue. Thank you again!

MeggieFC (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi MeggieFC - First of all, thanks for declaring the paid COI issue on your user page. Now, regarding your questions. In-depth coverage is simply that, coverage which is in-depth about the subject. There is nothing with most of your sources, they simply don't go in-depth about the magazine. In most of them, they mention the magazine, but don't go in depth about it. Take the mid-day.com source. It's about the film which won the poll, and only mentions the magazine tangentially. Some of your sources, like the Huffpo one, are not reliable sources. Onel5969 TT me 12:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Your request for references for Jean-Claude Larrieu (footballer) on 4 June 2017

Thanks for reviewing the aforementioned article. I did not create the original article but only renamed it. There was a need for disambiguation after I created the article Jean-Claude Larrieu (cinematographer). I am not a football expert but was able to find and add two simple references to the article as per your kind request. Please feel free to edit the article to improve the writing since English is not my native language. Fernando (talk) 10:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for your Review! Will Work on Article! MeggieFC (talk) 06:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

04:15:31, 8 June 2017 review of submission by Wisdomlightus


Thank you for your review. Could you let me know why the sources are non-reliable? Thanks.Wisdomlightus (talk) 04:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Wisdomlightus - blogs, for one. Any source which has no editorial oversight, for two. Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

17:38:35, 8 June 2017 review of submission by Wisdomlightus


I have added several sources. Could you take a look at them and let me know if they are reliable? Thanks.Wisdomlightus (talk) 17:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Alphabet guy

I asked for page protection - its hard for me to understand how invested some people become in the most obscure things.PRehse (talk) 18:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi PRehse - I saw that (when I tried to ask for pp ). BTW, thanks for all the work you do at NPP and with making sure the talk pages are properly done. Onel5969 TT me 18:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
My personal investment in the most obscure things (I do understand irony).PRehse (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Protection was declined.PRehse (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
The guy's a moron... the ip, not the admin. Onel5969 TT me 20:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Vandal?

Hey friend. Would you have a moment to look at 72.228.6.4 (talk · contribs)? I think their demographic edits are pure fiction, but I'm not positive. I reported it at AIV but it wasn't acted on. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree Magnolia677 - the guy is a complete and utter moron. Looks like there is no recourse except to open up another AIV thread.Onel5969 TT me 20:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
AIV declined it because there hadn't been enough warnings. I'll leave another, and do some cleanup. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
At Bernalillo County, New Mexico, the vandalism actually goes way back to this edit in April. I recall seeing a bunch of those flags appearing and I removed a lot of them. On some of the older edit--because there have been so many intervening edits--I have been cutting-and-pasting a clean (pre April copy) of the demographic data. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
There's a ton. And he doesn't only use that ip address, he's also been using 92.230.143.221. Onel5969 TT me 21:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
At Island County, Washington, cutting and pasting a previous copy of the demographic data is tricky because the population estimate was updated. What a mess. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
And here's another one: 66.87.80.218Onel5969 TT me 21:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
What's the best way to clean it up? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- simply have to slog through it. Onel5969 TT me 22:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Okay Magnolia677, I cleaned up 66.87.80.218, and I started from the oldest vandalism on 72.228.6.4, and have finished through May. Will continue to work from the oldest forward, so if you want to go from the newest back, be my guest. Oh, I struck the other ip address above, that was from another vandal regarding something different. Onel5969 TT me 23:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I'll take a whack at it tomorrow. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks like you got them all. Thanks for your help and hard work. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Kidz Bop Albums

Hi, I have noticed that the Kidz Bop albums got redirected. I am a fan of looking up songs so why did you do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.8.161 (talk) 21:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Because they don't meet notability criteria. Onel5969 TT me 23:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Why are you flagging all my stuff? It's all referenced and you are just trying to bring down everything. I noticed some of your articles you created don't have accurate or notable references, why try to bring my stuff down?

PS. Here's a kitten for you.

Film Fanatical10069 (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Film Fanatical10069. Well, the article on the film's director clearly isn't notable, and was deleted as a result of an AfD discussion. Because of that it qualifies for speedy deletion. Second, the film does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. But I could be wrong. That's why there's a discussion. Take care.Onel5969 TT me 16:57, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi Onel5969. No worries. I am still trying to figure all this stuff out. I think the film is notable or I wouldn't have spent the time editing those articles. I started with the star and would like to add to it and link it up. I enjoy building stuff and find this fun. But I am still learning. I noticed you have a ton of films and love your work. Please feel free to give me any pointers if you can. Thank you for your help.Film Fanatical10069
Hi Film Fanatical10069 - The best way to figure this stuff out is to ask. There's a forum called WP:TEAHOUSE. Or you could leave a polite question on an editor's talk page, like you have here. But remember, most editors don't respond well to impoliteness or incivility. Regarding film notability, the standard is WP:NFILM. In a nutshell, if a film has had a broad theatrical release, it'll be notable. Films that are direct to DVD, or that are released directly to one of the online services have to show their notability through in-depth coverage in multiple released sources. When I originally tagged Wheels, it was because I did a cursory search and couldn't find enough (read that as any) of that type of coverage. But due to the commonality of the name, I didn't spend a lot of time on the search, and simply tagged it, hoping that an editor who had an interest in the article would develop it further. Removing tags without improving the article doesn't help. This morning, after you removed the tags again, I did more in-depth research, and still couldn't come up with enough sourcing. Hence my nomination at AfD. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 19:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi Onel5969. Thank you for breaking it down for me and I apologize, as I was rude. I must admit, I got a little passionate about that flag. But that's why I enjoy this so much, it's a challenge. That film actually was in Theaters, I watched in LA a few years ago. I will do some online digging and find some better ref's for the article. Please let me know if you have any pointers for that as well. I am still having some trouble with the formating, but I guess that will come with time. I will check out the teahouse as well. Thanks again for the tips I appreciate it. Have a great Sunday.Film Fanatical10069

00:13:36, 12 June 2017 review of submission by Wisdomlightus


Dear Reviewer, We really appreciate your feedback about our submission regarding Khenpo Tsultrim Lodro. As we revise our entry, we have two questions about reliable external sources of information that we would like to get some clarifications from you. (1) About introduction to Khenpo, will such sources as listed below count? This is a third party website that we have totally no control over the content at all. http://www.samyeling.org/buddhism-and-meditation/teaching-archive-2/khenpo-tsultrim-lodro/ On this website, it says "Khenpo Tsultrim Lodro is one of the most prominent Tibetan Buddhist Scholars at Serthar Institute, known as Larung Gar Buddhist Academy, in Kham in East Tibet (Sichuan Province)." Will a direct quote of this sentence in our entry be acceptable? Of course we will cite the link in our entry. (2) About the various talks that we listed in our earlier submission. I am a professor at Cornell university. When we do annual performance evaluations, being invited to give talks at other universities is a MAJOR indicator of influence/impact on society. This is why we included "An Invited Talks" section in our earlier submission about Khenpo Tsultrim Lodro. In our vita, we typically just list the title and the date of the talk, and name of the hosting invitation. Because the hosting institution typically just send an internal email to inform people about the talk, seldom will there be any website links that we can cite as proofs for the talks. Given that this is the common practice at academia, we were wondering what other information will be acceptable by your review committee. Will pictures taken on the day of talk count? We have some pictures we can add, but other than that, we have trouble coming up with alternative proofs because in academia, few departments generate special website links for talks. Any advice from you would be highly appreciated. Connie Yuan https://communication.cals.cornell.edu/people/y-connie-yuan Wisdomlightus (talk) 00:13, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

16:29:00, 12 June 2017 review of submission by Wisdomlightus


Dear Reviewer, We have another question that we would like to ask regarding reliable external sources. One of Khenpo's major contributions to the growth of Tibetan Buddhism in contemporary China is the publication of his book, the Luminous Light series. The book project started from three volumes, first published in 2001. Now the fourth edition of the book published in 2016 has grown into 10 volumes. In the upcoming edition, it will grow into 11 volumes. Between these editions, hundreds of thousands of reprints have been sold. Unfortunately, all the books are in Chinese now. We are starting a submission of a Chinese wikipedia entry for Khenpo Tsumltrim Lodro because it seems that a lot of objective indicators of Khenpo's influence are in Chinese. We were just wondering to what extent Wikipedia Chinese and English reviewers will cross-check with one another about the reliability of external sources. Will Wikipedia Chinese team's confirmation of the reputation or notability of Khenpo contribution to society be acceptable in your decision making regarding the English entry? Also, Khenpo has been invited to give talks in the U.S. again this summer. Any guidelines about how we should document such events to prove to you Khenpo's notability will be highly appreciated. Of course we would hope that our entry will be approved before his visit so that the English speaking audience worldwide can gain a better understanding of Khenpo's background before they attend the talks. Many thanks in advance.Wisdomlightus (talk) 16:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Wisdomlightus Hello, looking in I'll explain some of the concerns; one is the page is simply too promotional and this is in both information and sources, and especially then when multiple images are offered (which can only emphasize its promotionalism as a personal website, and rarely are they sprinkled throughout pages, only in specially relevant cases such as geography, education, history, etc.). Focus only with the actual independent coverage and not any announcements or notices and also, like with several subjects here, notability cannot be inherited. If you can show he's largely considered a major figure in his field, we can consider that but going into deep specifics about something he would personally advertise is unacceptable). SwisterTwister talk 03:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion: Colin S. Morris

Greetings Onel5969, Thank you very much for reviewing the page I made for Colin S. Morris, pointing out needed requirements for WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. I have added a news citation to the page that hopefully meets requirements, also commenting on the Articles for deletion page.

Best regards, Jim Hawksworth (talk) 04:06, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

About Wang Junkai's page

I've noticed that the page was again redirected to TFBOYS page for the issue of personal notability. The reason I raise this new edit is because there are more personal activities of Wang Junkai since this half year. The most recent activity is on June 17, Wang Junkai was invited by Dolce & Gabbana to its Spring 2018 menswear in Milan. [1][2] I've offered two news about this activity above. Other activities include an invited trip to Nike design quarter in Portland.[3] This website is from Nike official website of China and the translated title would be "A trip of NIKE AIR: Wang Junkai visits NIKE Design Quarter."

These two activities are well reported and you can find other news about these personal activities online. Wang Junkai really has his personal notability outside the group, please go through again these news, I hope this time you could allow his personal page exist. If you need any other reference please let me know. Again, thank you for checking on this page, I would try to improve this page. Happy editing! KARRYCRAB (talk) 16:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Dolce & Gabbana Are the Kings of Hearts—Everything You Need to Know About the Show". Vogue. Vogue.com. Retrieved 18 June 2017.
  2. ^ "Milan menswear designers focus shows on millennials". The Washington Post. Retrieved 18 June 2017.
  3. ^ "NIKE AIR 之旅：王俊凯造访耐克全球总部". Nikeinc.com.cn.

Hello, It was not a copy infringing copyright:

Speedy deletion nomination of Liliya Watson[modifier le wikicode] Hello LyvansB,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Liliya Watson for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LyvansB (talk • contribs) 19:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes it was, and it is once again. Please stop adding copyrighted material or you might be blocked from editing.Onel5969 TT me 19:58, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I will write to wikipedia admin, maybe change the biography, or maybe better I will put on the http://saintandrewcharity.org/en/about-founder , this biography can be use on wikipedia for Liliya Watson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LyvansB (talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Final Decision on "Italian Mare Nostrum"

Final decision: The final decision was to Keep

I have read in detail all the initial discussion to KEEP, and the following 2 discussion to merge and that had no result at all. How is it possible that just after one week that an article was allowed by discussion to be kept, suddenly are allowed to be done 2 additional requests to merge? So, why was done the first initial discussion that maintained the article? This looks like a tricky way to impose the wish of a NOTORIOUS group of yugoslavian users (from Director, to Zenanarth, to AlasdairGreen27, to Joy, etc..), who have received harsh critics from the same Jimbo Wales (I can add data about these critics, if you want)! They hate Italy and do whatever they can to erase all that shows some good italian results in WW2......But what strikes me more is that this group gets the merge without any approval at all! Let's remember that the ONLY approval votation was the first, when was clearly stated that the result was KEEP....and finally, what is wrong with the article? The same translated version is in the Spanish Wikipedia and it is accepted without problems: consequently I have reverted for the last time (anyway, do whatever you wish in future, but remember that this group is doing huge falsifications in Wikipedia as can be read in the June issue of "il mio weblog aromuno")........honestly, B.

Honestly, B... please learn to sign your posts. As I said, the AfD result was to keep, but even in that AfD discussion there was an undercurrent to merge. The TWO following discussions regarding merging both resulted in a merge decision. Accept consensus, move on. Onel5969 TT me 21:25, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
At this point, your edits are becoming disruptive, as you are refusing to abide by consensus. As a result of this discussion, the consensus was clearly to merge. Which has been done. Onel5969 TT me 21:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
FYI (and @Oshwah:) all IPs/accounts involved were sockpuppets of long-term abuser Brunodam. --Vituzzu (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi

3rd place
Why would you try to delete it? I am getting a little ummmmm WHY??????????? at Wikipedia. I've gotten almost nothing but trouble from this site . I've gotten some people who write me thanking me for editing and other things . That has kept me going on Wikipedia. I thank you for letting me know though. I've but one question , it seems like there are so many people in charge who can delete and such , but , how? Why , because not all of them might see the good in pages . I'm just saying , I'm not upset just confused. lol I hope I figure it out soon. If you read this message me on my talk page and remind me of my message to you. And if you could take me step by step through this site, that would be great ! Thank You!!! SAM191 (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi SAM191 - When you leave a message, it's always a good thing to let the editor know what you are talking about. Can't begin to help unless I know what you're referring to. Onel5969 TT me 21:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

‪Proposed deletion of Sholem Aleichem College‬

Hi, I've edited the page and added some comments in the talk section. Sholem Aleichem College‬ is truly unique in that it represents one of the only secular Yiddish speaking schools in the world. It may be the only secular Yiddish primary only (junior) school. It's even more quirky that it's based in Australia which has such a small population to draw from for such a niche offering. Please don't remove it. Thanks for your consideration. 22:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmlipton (talk • contribs)

Hi Jmlipton - Do you have citations that you could use to validate the claims you make above? They have to be from secondary, reliable sources. Onel5969 TT me 01:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Onel5969 I have added a number of citations. I believe this should at least bring the entry into line with the other schools in the external link section. Jmlipton (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Regene Lim

The article Regene Lim has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

This PROD is related to the earlier deletion request that you were involved in, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damien Teo. I accidentally missed out the page in the AfD for Damien Teo. It would have been deleted together with the pages for all the other child actors. DerricktanJCW (talk) 06:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

John M. Ferren NPOV tag

Hello, I noticed you added NPOV and stub tags to the John M. Ferren page, which I created yesterday. In the absence of any explanation or discussion of a NPOV issue, I am tempted to remove the NPOV template, but I thought I'd check with you first: how do you think the article falls short of neutrality? The only bit I can imagine that might attract that criticism is the following sentence: "He acquired a reputation as a liberal judge and was respected even by government lawyers and prosecutors whom he often ruled against." But the linked Washington Post article supports that: it calls him a "liberal" several times and quotes him agreeing with that label, and it quotes John R. Fisher (at the time, a government lawyer and prosecutor) praising him in glowing terms and acknowledging that "He's ruled against the government often." I don't think reporting on a person's reputation, with substantiation, violates the NPOV rule. Please let me know if you think something about the article needs to be changed before the NPOV tag is removed. (I'm also not sure the three-paragraph article is a stub, but I'm less concerned about that.) Sfeldman (talk) 19:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleting my page

Hello, you deleted my page about an album by Malin Reitan, and I was wondering why because the other two albums from her on Wikipedia cite no sources either and have been stubs for years and these pages were never deleted. So I was wondering if it would be better to just merge all the album pages into the artist's page? Or is that not allowed either?

Kaopoke (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kaopoke - First, no one on Wikipedia has a page, see WP:OWN, so I didn't delete "your page". Second, not sure which page you're talking about – when you leave a message on a talk page, please leave a link to the page which you have a question about. Third, you're correct that other uncited stubs could also be redirected. To show notability for an album, it has to either meet WP:GNG or at least WP:NALBUM (meeting only the second is no guarantee however). Finally, if an artist's albums are not notable enough for their own article, there is nothing wrong with expanding the information about them on the artist's page. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 12:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Guthire, Arizona

Hello, Please note that there's a discussion about whether District 8 Jakarta should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guthrie, Arizona . User talk:M R Karim Reza

AfD for Regene Lim

Good day! Thank you for giving your two cents with regards to the AfD that I have raised earlier for Damien Teo, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damien Teo. I have also nominated multiple related pages in the AfD for deletion but I have accidentally missed out one individual who also failed WP:GNG. I have raised a new AfD for this individual, Regene Lim, and it would be appreciated if you would proceed to the AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regene Lim (2nd nomination) to voice your opinion with regards to this proposed deletion. It should be a non controversial one as Lim is also an non-notable child actress in Singapore, similar to the other child actors whose pages were deleted in the earlier AfD. Thank you. DerricktanJCW (talk) 04:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jiří Moskal

Hi, I've edited the page Jiří Moskal hopefully this is ok now and does not have to be deleted. If not let me try again, thanks.

Hi Hakulin - First, please remember to always sign your comments, using the four tildes (~~~~). Second, your adding the sources definitely eliminated the blp prod rationale, so I removed it. However, I am not sure he meets the notability criteria. Onel5969 TT me 12:39, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

The Paradise Project

You reverted my entry on this organization due to notability - please let me know what you think of the additional sources listed here: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Paradise_Project&redirect=no — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.67.2 (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. The coverage, in my opinion, does not rise to the level of in-depth coverage from independent, secondary and reliable sourcing needed to show notability. My advice is to create a draft article at AfC (articles for creation), it's time consuming, since there is a backlog, but you'll get help there. Onel5969 TT me 12:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Charles Chidongo Chinula

Dear Onel5969,

I'm genuinely surprised at your rejection of my draft article on Charles Chidongo Chinula om the basis (you say):

1. It does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article;

2. It should be written from a neutral point of view (implying it wasn't);

3. It should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources (implying it didn't);

4. It should make sure to avoid peacock terms (implying it didn't)

To take the second two, more objective, issues first, Kalinga, Thompson and McCraken are highly qualified, leading historians on Nyasaland and Malawi, and the second two have particular expertise on its religious history. To imply that these are not independent, reliable, published sources merely demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the topic. The Dictionary of African Christian Biography may be slightly more questionable but contains information not readily available elsewhere. Having read the section on Peacock terms, I can't see any, and would ask you to identify any you can see.

Turning to the first two, it is of course easy for you to use broadly generic labels, with little substance. As to it's tone, I have written a good number of Nyasaland and Malawi related articles, none of which has been challenged on this issue and, (if you maintain this is so) would you please say in what way or what specific passages are not written in a formal tone? Similarly, if you still maintain it was not written from a neutral point of view would you elaborate and/or refer to specific passages or terminology which is non-neutral?

As far as I am concerned, I wrote a non-contentious entry about a moderately prominent colonial-era clergyman entirely in line with a range of credible sources and wait to hear the substance of your objections, if any.Sscoulsdon (talk) 07:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sscoulsdon - First, when leaving a comment, always make sure to leave a link to the article (or draft) you have a question about. Many editors won't bother responding if there's no link. Second, it's always better to leave simple questions, rather than making confrontational statements. Third, your issue is with the AfC template, which when an editor chooses "NPOV" as the rationale, automatically comes up. It includes a variety of secondary issues as well. Finally, the issue regarding your draft is that it is clearly written from perspective of a pro-Charles Chidongo Chinula writer. The entire lead is highly non-neutral, and the rest of the article always presents him in a positive light, without any attempt to show his interactions from the perspective of the other party. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 12:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

What a petulant, self-regarding and wholly misleading response. Unfortunately there are too many people like you that can't answer a straight question and treat any question as an attack on them. Don't bother replying to this, as I have no interest in your opinions.

Two Guns, Arizona

Hey friend. This ghost town stuff is going to make me crazy. I actually wrote the Two Guns article a while back and every source calls it a ghost town...except GNIS (they'd call it "historical" if it were, but they didn't). This is frustrating because GNIS is a great source, but on this issue it rarely gets it right. Have a look at W:Category:Mississippi populated places on the Mississippi River. I wrote most of the articles there and some of them are in the middle of a forest, yet GNIS still calls them populated places. Have a look on Google satellite at Trotter Landing, Mississippi, Shiloh, Mississippi, or Magna Vista, Mississippi. Also, what is a ghost town anyway? Does it need to be abandoned, or just have a dramatically reduced population? I'm not faulting you for making the correction at Two Guns, but GNIS hasn't updated the status of many places in ages. I started a discussion someplace about this a while ago but it didn't go anywhere. I may start another discussion and hopefully you and other frequently editors of settlements will join in so we can get some definitions and discussion about this GNIS shortcoming. Anyway, cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:35, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I hear you Magnolia677 - you can actually contact GNIS and they will respond. I've gotten them to change 8 entries in the last year when I've found discrepancies. I think that the USGS names something a populated area if there are any folks living in the area. "Ghost town" is more a colloquial designation. But you're right, when USGS says it's "historical" I leave it as a ghost town. In the meantime, I think the USGS should be the arbiter of record in these cases. By the way, enjoyed reading the article. Nicely done. And referenced. Keep up the good work. Onel5969 TT me 00:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleting article

Hi User:Onel5969, how do you delete an article on your own?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Theo Mandela - unless you're an admin, you don't. Your choices are requesting a speedy delete (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion), or proposing it for deletion (see Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, or sending it to Articles for Deletion (AfD - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion). Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Ok User:Onel5969, can you please delete the Maiorana article? I've weighed it up and believe it should be deleted, because there are virtually no notables with the name, it is far too detailed and big, when you look at Sinatra (disambiguation), the most famous Italian surname is just a disambiguation page, which isn't right, but it has a notable family of individuals and is well-known by people. Maiorana ,being the length it is, is confusing to people who already won't recognise it from anywhere. "Farrimond" and "Ascroft" have far more notables on Wikipedia, but don't have articles at all, I believe Maiorana should be deleted as an article (perhaps better to move it to Majorana article) or it should be formatted more like Walmsley or Ogden (name), but even these have articles related to them. Maiorana would be a pretty rubbish disambiguation page even, as there's no other articles with the name (people or places).--Theo Mandela (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Theo Mandela - I'm not an admin, so I can't delete anything. But even if I were, you would have to either "prod" the article, or take it to AfD. Onel5969 TT me 19:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
How did you delete Mac (It's Always Sunny in Philiadelphia) article User:Onel5969?--Theo Mandela (talk) 23:27, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I didn't. Onel5969 TT me 00:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi! why are you wanna delete my article? Please be polite Developer177 (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Deleting a living person biography without references

Hi User:Onel5969, on 15/06/2017 you proposed the article Vassilis Bratsiakos to be deleted because lacked references. This article is actually a translation of the Greek article Βασίλης Μπρατσιάκος enhanced with more details. Could I have put it like a reference? How can I bring back this article now? For sure there is a way. Please help me do it, I've spent a lot of time doing it! Thanks in advance Markoskol11 (talk) 04:56, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Markoskol11 - references to other wikis aren't valid, so while you could indicate there was an article on another wiki (using the "languages" tool toward the bottom of the left side menu), you can't use that article as a reference. To show notability you need to several in-depth sources. The Greek article has been tagged for no references for over a year. If you do come up with references, to have the article restored, the first step would be to contact the admin who deleted it, Dlohcierekim, or to request undeletion, instructions for which can be found at WP:REFUND. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 12:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Cleo Ice Queen Article

Hi User:Onel5969 first of all thanks for reviewing my work on Cleo. Now my question is on the Page Curation the encyclopedic tone I work on that now the other orphan tag I request that you De-orphan the article because I have provided links linking to the disambiguation pages unless you tell me the rules changed. and if they did what's the correct way to De-orphan the page. Icem4k (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Icem4k - linking to a dab page is not the way to un-orphan an article. It has to be linked to other articles. There's a tool in the box which can help you do that. I used it and found that she is mentioned on the article Katongo, so linked her there. Now she is no longer an orphan. Anyone can remove the orphan tag, once the issue has been corrected, which now it has. I'll remove it. Onel5969 TT me 20:50, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Onel5969 So you saying since she is mentioned some where it's an orphan. What if let's say Cleo Ice Queen (Writer) is mentioned some where but thats the Cleo Ice Queen(Football player) being spoken about what do you do then. Icem4k (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Couple of things. First, on a person's talk page, there's no reason to "ping" them. We are automatically notified, and since pinging is a way of notifying someone, it's redundant. Second, please remember that if you leave a message on a talk page, to "sign" it, by using 4 tildes (~~~~). Now, about your question, if there are two people with the exact same name, both with pages on Wikipedia, they will have a disambiguation after their name – like what you did in your question (writer) vs. (football player), so you would simply link to the correct one. If there is a football player with the same name, don't link to the musician's page, just leave it alone. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 21:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay I think so thanks for the help. Icem4k (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Just want to let you know you've been inadvertently adding an extra "(disambiguation)" to some links that already have "(disambiguation)" as part of their title. I noticed it at Like Crazy and ALDE. I've fixed those two, but don't know if there might be any others. Station1 (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Station1 - I'm not seeing that come up when I use the dablink tool. Perhaps I'm missing something. I'll keep a closer eye out the next time I use it. Onel5969 TT me 02:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I saw that you have merged the articles National Union of Popular Forces and Tanzim (Morocco) without discussing with me or even notifying me. I believe that this is not right. Tanzim was only a section of UNFP and it is not even mentioned in the article that you have merged. Can you tell me what is the reason of your action? Now because of you, nobody knows what is Tanzim because you have removed the article. I don't believe that this is Wikipedia spirit. Isn't it? Thank you for your answer, and please either explain to me the reasons of your change or undo it. Anass — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anass Sedrati (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Anass Sedrati - First, please remember to sign any comments left on a talk page, using 4 tildes (~~~~). Please read the guidelines on notability. They deserve a mention on the UNFP page, but no indication of their independent notability. If you add the info to the UNFP article, folks will still learn about them, because the link will take them there. Onel5969 TT me 13:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Onel - Sorry I completely forgot to sign. Well the problem is that when you have merged the pages the information that was in the Tanzim page was lost? If you can tell me where I can find it (some sort of archive) then I can try to add it to the UNFP page. Otherwise, I have to write from the beginning again, and this is why it feels like if my initial work was useless. Anass Sedrati (talk) 14:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Anass Sedrati - All you have to do is go to the history of the page, and click on the prior version, then "edit" the page. That way you can copy the material and put it in the target article. I just did it, so that your info wasn't lost. Take care. Onel5969 TT me 23:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Phoenix nodes/roads

Did you really mean to revert my revert. "Roads" doesn't make sense. It seems to mean that the urban villages of Phoenix makes it a city of "nodes". Although I don't agree with the rest of it where it says the nodes are connected by freeways - some are and some aren't. The whole sentence could use a rewrite. MB 03:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

What? My apologies, MB - I meant to click the "thank" button. And looking at the revision history, it does show that I "thanked" you for that edit. Not sure what happened. Onel5969 TT me 11:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Jhoven Sulla (talk) 08:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)Thanks for revert. Good job

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