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"Jamaican" footballers
[edit]Hello. I'm not going to revert your removal of English from the opening sentence, although I do disagree with it. Please understand that the JFF President saying for a domestic TV audience that a string of UK-based footballers being "in the process of" getting a Jamican passport means little more than they've identified players who could switch, filled in forms in the hope they might, and talked to the relevant government officials to smooth the path if and when it became necessary. Nathan Redmond appears in that list, but in his own words in the Southampton daily paper, he says they've never approached him and he's never discussed it with his family. We don't know whether Demarai Gray (or any other that hasn't spoken or acted publicly on the matter) is any further along the path than that.
Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy is really quite clear about the need to get living people's articles correct, based on reliable published sources appropriate to the context. Until there are such reliable sources that clearly confirm that Mr Gray has Jamaican nationality, we cannot suggest he's anything other than English football-wise. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Okay well that sounds fair. The thing is with Rickett's statement is that it's quite vague and open to interpretation. I remember Redmond saying that stuff (and I know Max Aarons has also said he hasn't actually been contacted despite having his name being mentioned), but Ricketts says of the list of players: "All of these we are in the process of acquiring their Jamaican passports. The process is becoming a little tedious because of the pandemic but the process is ongoing and we are hopeful we will get the passports for these gentlemen in reasonable time". On the surface, it just sounds like he is saying these players are all already on the path to getting clearance to play for the country, not just being considered by the JFF. So I think his statement is a bit confusing and potentially misleading. Rickett's statements were originally reported in the Daily Mail on 3 March: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9321995/Jamaica-plot-call-10-English-stars-including-Michail-Antonio-Demarai-Gray-Aarons.html, and despite the Daily Mail being about as reliable as a Boeing 737 MAX 8, 10 of the 15 it said could switch have now already committed themselves to Jamaica. So while his statement isn't wholly reliable, it has so far proved quite accurate. So to many people I think it's difficult to tell whether to take his words seriously and at face value or not. One way system (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Tosin
[edit]Hello. I wanted to explain why your recent edits to Tosin Adarabioyo are speculative and/or journalistic. It's not that the information is necessarily untrue. The problem is that someone being "ready to apply" for something is not information that a) can be proven or b) belongs in an encyclopedia article. Information like that is journalistic and fluid. It is reporting on a current situation. That is not what encyclopedia articles do. Encyclopedia articles provide concrete, provable, completed information. Once Tosin's application is submitted and accepted by FIFA, then this information will be appropriate for the article. Until that, it is something that cannot be confirmed and is too fluid to include. The source you provide is also rather questionable. The number of typos in the article as well as the amateurish formatting do not suggest that the source is reliable or trustworthy. That, and after searching for any confirming reports from trusted sources, I found nothing about this but a lot of suggestions that he has every intention of continuing to represent England. Here are some more recent sources on that:
1) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patient-approach-pays-off-for-tosin-adarabioyo-the-thinker-of-fulham-m0gbb6gqr (April 4, 2021)
2) https://theathletic.com/2445118/2021/03/13/tosin-fulhams-bargain-buy-who-has-grown-into-his-body-and-the-premier-league/ (March 12, 2021)
3) https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2021/02/27/adarabioyo-eyes-england-call-up-ahead-of-euro-2020/ (February 27, 2021)
All of these are more recent than your source, and they all say quite the opposite of what your source suggests. Anwegmann (talk) 02:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
"Jamaican" and "Nigerian" Footballers
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Please refrain from making unconstructive, speculative, poorly-sourced, and/or premature edits to Wikipedia, as you have repeatedly done at Mason Holgate, Ademola Lookman, Tosin Adarabioyo, Isaac Hayden, and Demarai Gray, to name a few. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and go against the standards laid out in WP:biographies of living persons and WP:reliable published sources. As such, they have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. To parrot what Struway2 correctly stated above, "Until there are such reliable sources that clearly confirm that [the players] ha[ve] Jamaican[/Nigerian] nationality, we cannot suggest [they're] anything other than English football-wise." Thank you. Anwegmann (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Anwegmann. I don't think its fair or appropriate to label such edits as 'vandalism'; they are clearly good-faith edits. In several cases you yourself have deleted content without good reason. For example, on Max Kilman, you deleted the section saying he was denied the opportunity of playing for Ukraine by claiming it was 'unsourced', yet it states clearly it the international career section that Kilman's application to play for Ukraine was rejected by FIFA last week. On Ademola Lookman, you deleted the section that said he had decided to switch his nationality to Nigeria, saying there are 'conflicting reports', but what are these conflicting reports? All recent sources, as noted in the international career section itself, state clearly that he has almost formally completed his switch. What sources, might I ask, contradict this fact? One way system (talk) 07:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- The sentence in Kilman that I reverted was repetitive, and it got lost in the many other inappropriate, speculative, and/or premature edits you had made. And it is not included in my original post here. In the articles listed above, among several others, you have repeatedly relied on sources that either cannot be substantiated anywhere else, report only that the player has considered switching, applied to switch, or was "ready to" apply to switch—all far cries from completed switches. And yet you have repeatedly changed something as major as the lead of the article to suggest that the switches were complete and official. That is inappropriate, as mentioned in my original comment, contrary to the standards laid out in both WP:biographies of living persons and WP:reliable published sources. I understand you are new to editing, and I appreciate that. I too am interested in a lot of players that have switched sporting nationalities lately, but there are standards we need to rely upon so that the information we make public is not questionable or outright incorrect. Until a player is officially a member of a sporting nationality—a one-time FIFA switch, an appearance for a national team in an official FIFA match, etc., not just that they have a passport, which means nothing and is very common throughout the sporting world—it is inappropriate and misleading to change their nationality in the lead. And concerning the conflicting reports about Lookman, I have provided both citations on Talk:Ademola Lookman and in a previous edit to his article. Anwegmann (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well fine, but none of my edits can be really be classed as 'vandalism'. Vandalism is a strong word meaning intentional damage or destruction, and I don't think you can fairly describe my edits as that. They might have been premature, granted, but its not fair to say that I was just intentionally ruining articles. And anyway, the Kilman line was in the lead so obviously it was going to be necessarily repetitive as it summed up a point that was made in a detailed section of the article. One way system (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- The sentence in Kilman that I reverted was repetitive, and it got lost in the many other inappropriate, speculative, and/or premature edits you had made. And it is not included in my original post here. In the articles listed above, among several others, you have repeatedly relied on sources that either cannot be substantiated anywhere else, report only that the player has considered switching, applied to switch, or was "ready to" apply to switch—all far cries from completed switches. And yet you have repeatedly changed something as major as the lead of the article to suggest that the switches were complete and official. That is inappropriate, as mentioned in my original comment, contrary to the standards laid out in both WP:biographies of living persons and WP:reliable published sources. I understand you are new to editing, and I appreciate that. I too am interested in a lot of players that have switched sporting nationalities lately, but there are standards we need to rely upon so that the information we make public is not questionable or outright incorrect. Until a player is officially a member of a sporting nationality—a one-time FIFA switch, an appearance for a national team in an official FIFA match, etc., not just that they have a passport, which means nothing and is very common throughout the sporting world—it is inappropriate and misleading to change their nationality in the lead. And concerning the conflicting reports about Lookman, I have provided both citations on Talk:Ademola Lookman and in a previous edit to his article. Anwegmann (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Apologies, you are right! 
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- If you continue to edit war I will report you to the appropriate editor's page. One way system (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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