User talk:Omidirani
RE:Pashtun people
[edit]I don't have any issue with putting pictures up. There are several pictures of contemporary Pashtuns on the page, including a UN Ambassador and Karzai. We need a prominent Pashtun, or else anyone can just put their picture up. Thanks. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 07:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- I think there needs to be at least one of a young man, there is already young girl, the rest is old people and paintings. I tried to balance it a little, with what I did. Thanks for understanding--Omidirani (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- There are two issues, jaan. First is that the image is free, which this one is. Second it should be of mainly someone prominent or be a prominent picture. The person in the picture (who isn't you) and the picture itself isn't prominent for us to just upload and put on this article. We have a young girl, and two older men who are still living. If we want a young Pashtun man, we can get one eventually, but there is no rush to do so. We don't have for example a young Pashtun woman, but I shouldn't upload my picture and put it in there! --♥pashtun ismailiyya 07:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm too beautiful for Wikipedia, though I'll put a picture on my userpage eventually. And I hope you're not talking about User:Tajik, he's a wonderful editor and has taught me countless things. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Haha, they all say so...but then again...who knows. I don't know who it is but the person has the same views on Pashtuns every website I visit, forums, blogs, including chat rooms where he uses multiple sn names. As for me, I don't pass for an Afghan or Pashtun or anyone of that area. I look pure American/British/European...and I had to live with this all my life, and I grew up most of my life among white people. Anyway, I was thinking of putting this pic (File:Lina Rozbih in 2008.jpg) in the women section of Pashtuns because I am very sure she is Pashtun. I have very close friends who work with her at VOA in DC and I can find out to confirm this.--Omidirani (talk) 08:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- We need something in writing confirming she is Pashtun. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 09:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- This and this confirms she's Afghan, and she could very possibly be a Dari-speaking Pashtun. However, we keep Pashtuns on the Pashtun article who generally satisfy the linguistic definition of a Pashtun as well. But, if we can find something confirming that she is at least ethnically Pashtun, perhaps we can go somewhere with this. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 09:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- I will not put the image in the article until we find a reliable online source that states her ethnicity. between me and you, doesn't she look Pashtun? I'm not fully sure but if she got married several years ago in Germany and then moved to Canada and finally moved to Washington, DC, in USA, and started work on VOA then she is for sure a Pashtun. She is married to my close friend's older brother, both she and her husband are Pashtuns and speak Dari (Farsi or Persian) very well, including their native language Pashto. But I know we can't go by this alone. I have to discuss this with my friend and he will confirm to me if she is the same person. If it proves to be her, I saw their wedding video and it was very huge wedding in Germany. It was very nice, well made. On a separate issue, you claim to be Ahl al-Bayt, does that include Sayyids...because I am that but not Shia. I have no sect, just a standard Muslim.--Omidirani (talk) 09:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, she does look Pashtun to me. And I am not a member of the Ahl al-Bayt, I am just their follower. I am confused how someone can be both a sayyid and a Pashtun, because to be a sayyid your father must be a sayyid, and to be Pashtun your father must be a Pashtun. Your father cannot have a male lineage to Ali and a male lineage to a Pashtun at the same time. Could you explain this to me? I've never understood it. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 00:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I see...I was wondering how can you be Ahl al-Bayt if that status was given only to several members who have passed away a very long time ago. Yes, a true Sayyid is ONLY through father but remember that Sayyid is not considered an ethnicity. Pashtun is ethnicity, just like any other, which works different. Anyone who lives among a certain group of people will eventually (depending on length of time) become the same as them, which is all due to nature. My ancestors arrived from Baghdad (Iraq) to Karachi (Pakistan) by ship some time after Hussain's death and from there they moved at a time period and settled in the main Pashtun areas. My mother's side is Popalzai, which is believed to trace their roots to the rightous Jews that settled in the region of Afghanistan in the pre-Islamic period. So...If someone says I'm not Pashtun then they have to give me a logic reason. You'll have many opinions about this but I think it's better to stick to the obvious one, which is to believe that ethnicity includes more than just blood lineage and also that ethnicity is not a religion. Ethnicity is used to unite people under one name and live according to what's best for them. In modern times, ethnicity is being replaced with citiznship.--Omidirani (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's odd that you're mother is Popalzai, I am Muhammadzai. Traditionally the two have been strong enemies. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, just don't be my enemy because I'm not yours. Our only enemy is satan.--Omidirani (talk) 09:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's odd that you're mother is Popalzai, I am Muhammadzai. Traditionally the two have been strong enemies. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I see...I was wondering how can you be Ahl al-Bayt if that status was given only to several members who have passed away a very long time ago. Yes, a true Sayyid is ONLY through father but remember that Sayyid is not considered an ethnicity. Pashtun is ethnicity, just like any other, which works different. Anyone who lives among a certain group of people will eventually (depending on length of time) become the same as them, which is all due to nature. My ancestors arrived from Baghdad (Iraq) to Karachi (Pakistan) by ship some time after Hussain's death and from there they moved at a time period and settled in the main Pashtun areas. My mother's side is Popalzai, which is believed to trace their roots to the rightous Jews that settled in the region of Afghanistan in the pre-Islamic period. So...If someone says I'm not Pashtun then they have to give me a logic reason. You'll have many opinions about this but I think it's better to stick to the obvious one, which is to believe that ethnicity includes more than just blood lineage and also that ethnicity is not a religion. Ethnicity is used to unite people under one name and live according to what's best for them. In modern times, ethnicity is being replaced with citiznship.--Omidirani (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, she does look Pashtun to me. And I am not a member of the Ahl al-Bayt, I am just their follower. I am confused how someone can be both a sayyid and a Pashtun, because to be a sayyid your father must be a sayyid, and to be Pashtun your father must be a Pashtun. Your father cannot have a male lineage to Ali and a male lineage to a Pashtun at the same time. Could you explain this to me? I've never understood it. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 00:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I will not put the image in the article until we find a reliable online source that states her ethnicity. between me and you, doesn't she look Pashtun? I'm not fully sure but if she got married several years ago in Germany and then moved to Canada and finally moved to Washington, DC, in USA, and started work on VOA then she is for sure a Pashtun. She is married to my close friend's older brother, both she and her husband are Pashtuns and speak Dari (Farsi or Persian) very well, including their native language Pashto. But I know we can't go by this alone. I have to discuss this with my friend and he will confirm to me if she is the same person. If it proves to be her, I saw their wedding video and it was very huge wedding in Germany. It was very nice, well made. On a separate issue, you claim to be Ahl al-Bayt, does that include Sayyids...because I am that but not Shia. I have no sect, just a standard Muslim.--Omidirani (talk) 09:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- This and this confirms she's Afghan, and she could very possibly be a Dari-speaking Pashtun. However, we keep Pashtuns on the Pashtun article who generally satisfy the linguistic definition of a Pashtun as well. But, if we can find something confirming that she is at least ethnically Pashtun, perhaps we can go somewhere with this. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 09:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- We need something in writing confirming she is Pashtun. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 09:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Haha, they all say so...but then again...who knows. I don't know who it is but the person has the same views on Pashtuns every website I visit, forums, blogs, including chat rooms where he uses multiple sn names. As for me, I don't pass for an Afghan or Pashtun or anyone of that area. I look pure American/British/European...and I had to live with this all my life, and I grew up most of my life among white people. Anyway, I was thinking of putting this pic (File:Lina Rozbih in 2008.jpg) in the women section of Pashtuns because I am very sure she is Pashtun. I have very close friends who work with her at VOA in DC and I can find out to confirm this.--Omidirani (talk) 08:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm too beautiful for Wikipedia, though I'll put a picture on my userpage eventually. And I hope you're not talking about User:Tajik, he's a wonderful editor and has taught me countless things. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- There are two issues, jaan. First is that the image is free, which this one is. Second it should be of mainly someone prominent or be a prominent picture. The person in the picture (who isn't you) and the picture itself isn't prominent for us to just upload and put on this article. We have a young girl, and two older men who are still living. If we want a young Pashtun man, we can get one eventually, but there is no rush to do so. We don't have for example a young Pashtun woman, but I shouldn't upload my picture and put it in there! --♥pashtun ismailiyya 07:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Lina Roozbeh is a Tajik from Herat. Her husband is also a Tajik from Mazar. Her husband currently works at the Afghanistani embassy in Washington and he is a good friend of mine.--71.107.11.87 (talk) 07:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
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