User talk:Nougat10

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Well that's not very helpful is it? His son, my friend told me his story Nougat10 (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bearian (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop adding a non verified news story to korenevo.

It isn't true.

Newsweek couldn't independently verify the claim and has contacted Russia's Defense Ministry for comment by email. Nougat10 (talk) 04:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

I have requested admin notice for your edit warring at [[1]]. Bearian (talk) 13:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware of exit warring until today. Surely you have done the same thing? Nougat10 (talk) 17:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed restriction

Hi Nougat10,

I have noticed that you have recently edited pages related to the Russo-Ukrainian War. Please note that, due to community consensus documented at WP:GS/RUSUKR, only extended-confirmed editors may make such edits.

When in doubt, please assume that a topic is covered by this restriction. We call this "broadly construed". If this still leaves you unsure about whether a topic is affected by the restriction, feel free to ask on my talk page.

This is not widely announced to newcomers, so I'm not blaming or condemning you for not knowing about this. I'm also not saying that your editing has been problematic in any other way. Your edit may well have been perfectly fine in all other regards, yet may have been removed for this reason.

Additionally, Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee has recognized "Eastern Europe or the Balkans" as a generally contentious topic area. Don't worry: The restriction to extended-confirmed editors is about the Russo-Ukrainian War, not the entirety of Eastern Europe and the Balkans. The box below contains standardized advice for everyone.

You have recently edited a page related to Eastern Europe or the Balkans, a topic designated as contentious. This is a brief introduction to contentious topics and does not imply that there are any issues with your editing.

A special set of rules applies to certain topic areas, which are referred to as contentious topics. These are specially designated topics that tend to attract more persistent disruptive editing than the rest of the project and have been designated as contentious topics by the Arbitration Committee. When editing a contentious topic, Wikipedia’s norms and policies are more strictly enforced, and Wikipedia administrators have special powers in order to reduce disruption to the project.

Within contentious topics, editors should edit carefully and constructively, refrain from disrupting the encyclopedia, and:

adhere to the purposes of Wikipedia;
comply with all applicable policies and guidelines;
follow editorial and behavioural best practice;
comply with any page restrictions in force within the area of conflict; and
refrain from gaming the system.

Editors are advised to err on the side of caution if unsure whether making a particular edit is consistent with these expectations. If you have any questions about contentious topics procedures you may ask them at the arbitration clerks' noticeboard or you may learn more about this contentious topic here. You may also choose to note which contentious topics you know about by using the {{Ctopics/aware}} template.

This may be confusing, so I'll attempt to summarize it:

Only extended-confirmed editors may edit pages related to the Russo-Ukrainian War. Details and exceptions can be found at WP:GS/RUSUKR.
All edits about Eastern Europe and the Balkans, by all users, need to be done with extra care.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if there are any questions.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally understand. I was deleting false history that was added by an ex admin that was not substantiated. I'm neutral on the Eastern Europe campaign. Ukraine has still not entered Korenevo as the bearian stated Nougat10 (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating the WP:GS/RUSUKR extended-confirmed restriction while clearly being aware of it.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Nougat10 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Your reason here Nougat10 (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You need to clearly demonstrate how your edits were in accordance with WP:GS/RUSUKR. Your account is not extended-confirmed and you are already aware only extended-confirmed users may edit in that subject area, so I'm not sure how you claim you haven't broken any rules. Yamla (talk) 16:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I deleted fake news edits. I haven't broken any rules, since the warning of edit warring Nougat10 (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Nougat10 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

This page in a nutshell: Contentious topics are specially designated topics that have attracted more persistent disruptive editing than the rest of the project. Administrators are allowed to impose editing restrictions on editors who do not follow project expectations within contentious topics. Administrators are also allowed to set special rules on pages within a contentious topic to prevent inappropriate editing. So why was I allowed to edit it but then get sanctioned. I didn't and still don't understand what I have done wrong

Decline reason:

I don't understand why you're copy-pasting content from Wikipedia pages in your unblock request. Also, unblock requests are not a way to get help understanding why you've been blocked. They are an opportunity to explain to us that you do understand why you were blocked. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You weren't allowed to. You just weren't physically prevented from violating the restriction, just as you aren't physically restricted from, say, launching personal attacks in violation of WP:NPA, making legal threats in violation of WP:NLT, or violating WP:COPYRIGHT policies. --Yamla (talk) 18:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Nougat10 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

So yamia denied my appeal and quoted personal attacks, copyright and no legal threats. Please help understand how I have broken these rules. I've only deleted fake edits from Korenevo. I understand that appeals are to show sanctioned editors that they understand what they have done wrong but If nobody tells me what If done wrong, how can I learn from my mistake. I'm intrigued by Wikipedia and feel this Draconian sanction system is unfair on fledgling editors. Why send a warning that I don't understand and leave me capable to edit what I've been sanctioned for. Please give me the real reason why I am permanently sanctioned so I can learn from my mistakes

Decline reason:

As per below. You seem to think that because there was no technical barrier preventing you from violating the restrictions, that it was okay for you to. It's not. It's up to you to be aware of the relevant rules and abide by them. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Nougat10, there is a detailed explanation of the extended-confirmed restriction in the WP:GS/RUSUKR area at #Extended-confirmed_restriction, above here on this page. It contains the following advice:

I have noticed that you have recently edited pages related to the Russo-Ukrainian War. Please note that, due to community consensus documented at WP:GS/RUSUKR, only extended-confirmed editors may make such edits.
When in doubt, please assume that a topic is covered by this restriction. We call this "broadly construed". If this still leaves you unsure about whether a topic is affected by the restriction, feel free to ask on my talk page.
Only extended-confirmed editors may edit pages related to the Russo-Ukrainian War.
Please let me know if there are any questions.

Your response's first sentence is: I totally understand.

I also don't doubt that you have been fully aware that this restriction does affect your editing, as you have complained about this in Special:Diff/1240156400, in response to a message that said Nougat10 is currently not allowed to edit about this topic (WP:GS/RUSUKR) and has now been informed about this restriction..

The only article you have edited this year is Korenevo, Korenevsky District, Kursk Oblast.^[2] The entire discussion was about your edits to that article and there is no room for misinterpretation as you haven't edited any other article this year. The discussion was about the following three edits: [3] [4] [5]. Again, there were no others prior to the report for over a year.

After the acknowledged warning about your edits, which you perceived as "censorship", you edited a section titled "Russo-Ukrainian War" in exactly the same article dealing with exactly the same fight/incursion.

If this is the result of genuine unawareness after an explicit acknowledgement of awareness and an awareness-demonstrating complaint in response to a message explicitly prohibiting you from continuing, I see the following scenarios:

You are currently unable to understand the restriction even if you claim otherwise, so unblocking you even in response to a seemingly-understanding request comes with a significant danger of continued restriction violations,
your account has been compromised in the meantime, or
you are not being honest in your unblock requests / questions for explanations, claiming a misunderstanding where there was none.

None of these scenarios leads to an unblock. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the very fact that I'm taking the time (and your time) demonstrates I'm willing to learn but your gobbledygook replies haven't given me a clue as to what I'm doing wrong.

I edited fake information that Bearian (ex admin) posted and now I'm at the mercy of other admins that can't tell me what I've done wrong.

the very fact that I'm taking the time (and your time) demonstrates I'm willing to learn but your gobbledygook replies haven't given me a clue as to what I'm doing wrong— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nougat10 (talk • contribs)

Not every statement needs to be an unblock request, only one open request is needed. Please place new posts at the bottom, so they stay in order. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

decline unblock Welcome! Latest comment: 1 year ago Warning Latest comment: 10 days ago Warning Latest comment: 9 days ago Extended-confirmed restriction Latest comment: 8 days ago August 2024 Latest comment: 1 hour ago Block Latest comment: just now Thankfully an admin who can talk English and explained what I had done wrong.

Thanks.

I now understand that there maybe rules that I need to adhere to where certain topics are not allowed to be edited.

Nothing I deleted was deleted maliciously.

I will be more careful in future and not assume that restrictions are automatically applied to my edits.

II think you've over estimated my knowledge on editing Wikipedia, Korenevo was my first edit apart from 7 years ago when I tried to add details on my friends dad.

331dot (talk)

Block

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Nougat10 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Thankfully an admin who can talk English and explained what I had done wrong.

Thanks.

I now understand that there maybe rules that I need to adhere to where certain topics are not allowed to be edited.

Nothing I deleted was deleted maliciously.

I will be more careful in future and not assume that restrictions are automatically applied to my edits.

I think you've over estimated my knowledge on editing Wikipedia, Korenevo was my first edit apart from 7 years ago when I tried to add details on my friends dad.

331dot (talk)

Accept reason:

As discussed below ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nougat10 (talk) 10:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nougat10, this is actually much closer to an unblock request I could accept than I first expected. For example, in Special:Diff/1240157324, you seem to have misinterpreted semi-protection as preventing Bearian from editing the article. Perhaps you really assumed "no technical restriction = no restrictions", and perhaps my message seemed like an explanation of extended-confirmed protection, which exists and wasn't present. The restriction exists independently of the technical page protection, but this isn't obvious. I wrote a long explanation because this isn't clear to many new editors, and it's hard to explain. If you now actually understand that WP:GS/RUSUKR prohibits you from editing material related to the Russo-Ukrainian War, and if you agree to avoid edit warring on any page, that's all I could ask for. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, Nougat10 isn’t a new user. The account hasn’t edited much, but that doesn’t mean he’s new nor inexperienced. One can’t assume he hasn’t been using and reading one of the most visited websites in the English-speaking world. Our rules are common knowledge. It’s untenable to claim ignorance. Bearian (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to address the repeated misrepresentation of the Newsweek article that he claims is false on the facts. Bearian (talk) 00:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your helpful input Bearian. I've since read the introduction message sent by Wikipedia and understand the guidance now.

It's a pity you didn't understand that I was a newbie and didn't understand what I was doing. I promise not to edit your edits even if they have no reliable souces Nougat10 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bearian, Wikipedia's rules are far from being common knowledge, with a far-too-large percentage of donators to the Wikimedia Foundation believing the money would go directly into the hands of those who write the encyclopedia, and with a far-too-large percentage of new editors mistaking it for a website where you can create a "profile", and with a far-too-large percentage of editors being unaware about what adminship is(n't), and with an expectably huge percentage of contributors who have never heard about "WP:GS/RUSUKR" or "extended-confirmed restriction"s. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree I will not enter into edit warring. Thanks for taking the time to review this Nougat10 (talk) 01:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and also I won't edit admin edits or ex admin edits. It's not worthwhile Nougat10 (talk) 01:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It really doesn't matter who made an edit, although avoiding undoing experienced users' edits (independently of their user groups) is actually a quite a recommendable strategy for avoiding unnecessary trouble if all you want to do is editing in peace. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{unblock|reason= so what more do I have to say to get unblocked? }}. ~ ToBeFree Nougat10 (talk) 20:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing; welcome back. Please avoid the Russo-Ukrainian War, the Arab-Israeli conflict or whatever else seems like a current hot topic. A list of officially "contentious" topics is at Wikipedia:General_sanctions#Active_sanctions. You are not considered formally aware of them until someone formally notifies you about it, but you should have a look to know which areas to avoid in general. See the Task Center and the community portal for ideas. Good luck! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Feel free to remove all these messages including the declined unblock requests; the prohibition of removing declined unblock requests at WP:UP#CMT only applies to currently-active blocks. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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