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Reverting changes

Hi,

Why have you reverted the changes I made to the Intellectual Dark Web page when I was removing unsubstantiated, uncited, not to mention patently false, assertions, and was citing my sources, which were academic journals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.35.45 (talk)

See my last revisions. Also, a substantial chunk of the content you added is not what the source says (e.g., accusing IDW of being a far-right group). Normchou💬 00:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
You changed "far-right" to "alt-right". What does the first line of Wikipedia's own article on the alt-right say? "The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement." Alt-right is a term meant to avoid far-right connotations and sound more reasonable to a mainstream audience. The very thing the person(s) who edited this article was trying to acheive by suggesting that the IDW essentially had no ideology, it was both left and right. It is widely understood as a far/alt-right grouping and to imply otherwise is disingenuous, esepcially when providing no citations. May I ask, are you disinterested in this topic?
"Weiss and others applied the term to a broad range of figures from various parts of the political spectrum, including conservatives such as Douglas Murray, anti-extremist activists such as Maajid Nawaz, scientists such as Sam Harris, and feminists like Ayaan Hirsi Ali." - Are "science" and "anti-extremism" part of the political spectrum? This is an incredibly forced attempt to give the impression that this is a politically diverse group when in actual fact it is comprised almost wholly of far-right individuals and far-right ideology. I have academic sources to back that up. Where are yours for claiming otherwise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.35.45 (talk)
Hey, you listed the source and I merely improved the article according to the source. The only relevant sentence in the source is Consequently, inductive, data-driven, studies of the political right online often identify ‘communities’ rather than ideologies, giving them names which have emerged from within this political subculture: the ‘Intellectual Dark Web’, the ‘Alt-lite’ and the ‘Alt-right’ (e.g. Ribeiro et al., 2019). Whether this loose "association" is WP:DUE for the lead is itself debatable, but I gave you the benefit of doubt anyway. Re May I ask, are you disinterested in this topic?, I am only "interested" in editing this topic in the sense that I try to improve it in line with WP:5P. Re Where are yours for claiming otherwise?, these are exactly taken from the cited NYT article. Please familiarize yourself with WP:V and WP:NPOV, and please remember to WP:SIGN. Normchou💬 01:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
If you have any other concerns, please initiate a conversation on Talk:Intellectual dark web. Normchou💬 01:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
If that really is the case, that you have no personal political investment in the topic, then you are missing the wood for the trees. You allow whole paragraphs of unsubstantiated, uncited, editorialised assertions to stand, some even tagged with "citation needed", and even revert back to those, but nitpick and delete my academically-cited edits because you do not understand the topic well enough to understand the terms used. You're either incredibly inconsistent or someone with an interest in rehabilitating the public image of a far-right grouping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.35.45 (talk)
Please WP:AGF and stick to WP:NPA. Please refrain from casting WP:ASPERSIONS and try to improve the article using its talk page. Normchou💬 01:38, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hyphens/en dashes and combining forms

Hello, Normchou. I've noticed that you replaced hyphens by en dashes in the article "Indo-Pacific" (diff1, diff2). Take a note that Indo-, Franco-, Anglo-, etc. are combining forms. Please, use hyphens instead of en dashes in such cases. Thanks in advance!

For further information, see MOS:DUALNATIONALITIES:

  • Wrong: Franco–British rivalry; Franco- is a combining form, not an independent word, so use a hyphen: Franco-British rivalry

--Russian Rocky (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey Russian Rocky, thanks for reaching out. I think your point is worth some discussion, as I was trying to connect the word "Indo" to the phrases "West Pacific" and "Pacific Asia" if you look at the diffs carefully. It appears to me that under these circumstances, en dashes are better than hyphens. Normchou💬 01:04, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
If you want some discussion about combining forms, you need to consult with other people at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Combining forms such as Indo-, Franco-, Anglo-, Sino-, etc. have always been used with hyphens. If you think otherwise, you have to explain your rationale to others there because this rule is part of the current MOS.
In my view, the main problem is your edits to the lead could potentially encourage someone to rename the above-mentioned article "Indo-Pacific" to "Indo–Pacific". Please, keep this in mind.--Russian Rocky (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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There was no "Borderline BLP violation"

please don't cast aspersions upon me again. soibangla (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

For the record, this was your edit, in addition to your BS comment when reverting my notificaiton. And the following edits were mine: [21][22][23][24][25]. I can only hope that you refrain from doing this again. Normchou💬 19:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
do not cast aspersions upon me soibangla (talk) 19:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
No "aspersions" were cast by anyone. You did what you did. I simply present it and remind you of your mistake. As an experienced editor, you are the one responsible to face it and learn from it. Normchou💬 20:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
You removed longstanding content. I restored it with an explanation. You falsely characterized my restore of longstanding content as a borderline BLP vio in your edit summary and brought the same false characterization to my Talk page. That is a serious and false accusation, so I removed it because it was BS. Then you come to my Talk page and tell me to be civil, after you falsely accused me of a borderline BLP vio. Unbelievable. soibangla (talk) 20:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Longstanding content is not a valid cause for your wrongful edit (actually, a reckless revert against two of my improvements), which, upon furthur scrutiny, did border on BLP vio (BLPRS, OR/SYNTH, UNDUE). Nor is BS a valid defense to your wrongdoing. All relevant diffs have been listed and other editors are free to examine them. As an experienced editor, you should be better than what you've shown above. Normchou💬 20:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
you should be better than what you've shown Right back atcha. soibangla (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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