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A troll user created the page by leaving a message, which is why User:Favonian deleted it. Had there been other messages, that one message would have been deleted, but unfortunately no one has properly welcomed you yet. Don't worry, this page wasn't deleted because of something you did. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kannada speakers

Hello, the contents you added to the article were removed by an editor as it was not deemed suitable for the lead. I added it back in a new section and formatted it as a list. The references however need to be improved. I took care of the first one for you. I would appreciate it if you could use my edits as a template and fix the rest yourself. Here is the format used:

<ref name="TimesofIndia">{{cite web
 | first = Rema
 | last = Nagarajan
 | url = http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/Kannadigas-TNs-3rd-biggest-group/articleshow/2954903.cms
 | title = Kannadigas TN's 3rd biggest group
 | publisher = [[The Times of India]]
 | date = 16 April 2008
 }}</ref>

Thank you and regards.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks Crystallizedcarbon! Done. Regards.--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edits in various articles

Hi! I have found that you are making edits to various articles such as Hindupur, Ooty etc. without reliable sources. While you have provided sources for certain edits, you insert content which are not required in the context, which are already stated in the page or not stated in source. Wikipedia has certain policies that articles are to be written from neutral POV and I don't see a reason to add Kannada script to the page of Ooty, where the official language is Tamil or inserting distance from Bangalore (overwriting the existing civic body information). I see that you have already been informed by other editors of the same multiple times over the past. Please stop making such contributions or take it to the talk page before making such contributions. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Magentic Manifestations! Whatever edits I have made are with reliable sources. I haven't inserted any content which aren't in the source. I am not aware of the insertion of distance from Bangalore. Also, Badaga, a Kannada dialect, uses Kannada script for writing. That was the sole purpose of adding it. If Badaga script need not be added, and only official script can be added, not an issue. Those users who earlier vaguely informed that my contribution was without a source or controversial, have themselves accepted my references later and are convinced as in their Talk pages. I will take it to the relevant talk pages before contributing henceforth. Your comments 'revert vandalism and good faith edits; Pl. don't show your love for the state here; Ooty is part of TN and Tamil is the language; Also, no where in source it mentions Kannada people in Silapathikaram;' are very biased and misleading, calls contributing facts as love for one state. Also, nowhere did I say that Ooty is not a part of TN and Tamil is not the official language there. I observe that you have removed the true native language Badaga (Kannada dialect) from the official list which was added by others. Taking further issues to your talk page. Please let me know if you still have any concerns. Thanks!--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 15:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Magentic Manifestations: Similar discussion at Talk:Adoni#Adding native language Kannada.--Vin09 (talk) 05:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Vin09: Please let me know your concerns, do not attract other wiki editors and create chaos. Need not shy away from facts.NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 06:23, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See I'm not creating chaos. It's good to involve others to know their opinion. I've clearly mentioned to take up if you have any issue to WikiProject India. there will be more editors who can guide. Also, do not remove other editors sentences.--Vin09 (talk) 06:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Vin09: Agreed. I won't even add native language in demographics section if you or anyone else could add it. I leave it to you. My only concern is facts should be highlighted in Wikipedia. Brahmapur, Gopalpur, Ganjam, Parlakhemundi (Parlakimidi) have Telugu native majority and are in Odisha. Also, Digha, Mandarmani, Mohanpur, Contai have Odiya native speakers but are in West Bengal. Similar is the case with Sindhudurg and South Ratnagiri districts of Maharashtra which are Konkani speaking, and several Khandeshi, Bhili and Gondi speaking districts also. Also, Sironcha, Kopela of Vidarbha is Telugu majority and these facts should be highlighted as such. My concern/aim is not state borders reorganisation. It is highlighting facts and encouraging native language which happen to be in a minority in the states which they are currently in. Situation of Gondi language is very precarious. I do not have much time for highlighting or working on all these stuff. It would be a great help if you or anyone else interested can take this up and highlight the issues of native linguistic minorities.

Thanks!--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 06:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NitinBhargava2016: As said earlier, bordering areas might have such population that have gone either way during the State Re-organisations. Wiki adds official languages as per the state government website of the present state and not of older times. But, yes you can add other languages in demographics section and that to with reference like this other languages in the region include,.... You can also check Bangalore infobox and Demographics section.--Vin09 (talk) 07:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NitinBhargava2016:, Please understand in Wikipedia, we don't try to discourage people making constructive edits. As per our discussion, I agreed that edits which was made according to the source can stay provided it stays within the policies and I have reverted the same on consensus. Also, statements in the source need not rather should not be copied exactly. As Vin09 pointed out, regions might have gone either way and we should abide by the official state of the same and Wiki is a place where you can provide information on the languages there but cannot take it up as a cause. India being a diverse country, people harbor sentiments regarding regions and whatever you feel might not be the same what others feel, hence it is always good to have a discussion to arrive at consensus. Happy to help in case you need further support. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indic scripts

Do not add Indic scripts in the Infobox of other states like at Umarga and Miraj. Only the state's official script should be added.--Vin09 (talk) 05:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. Kannada was not added in Umarga infobox native name field by me. It was already existing. Regarding Miraj, I haven't changed anything.--

@NitinBhargava2016: You added it in Umarga here and Miraj was not done by you. Anyhow I corrected it.--Vin09 (talk) 07:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

native_name_lang - corrected spelling, native_name - yes, I had added Kannada script.NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 10:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Adding_native_language_Kannada

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Adding_native_language_Kannada. Vin09 (talk) 07:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

Hindupur page has been provided with references by you. No need of too many. One or two is enough for a single line sentence. Also, don't add older reference which is of long ago, as the section describes about 2011 census. So, just removed two of older ones and kept others.--Vin09 (talk) 10:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to other references page numbers.--Vin09 (talk) 10:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

April 2016

Hello, I'm Vin09. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User_talk:Vin09#Repeated_Kannada_reference_removal_from_Hindupur_article that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Vin09 (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Vin09, I have clarified on your Talk page that 'sour badly' just meant edit-warring, DRN escalations etc. which usually follow-up, no other special meaning should be attached to it. I will remove that phrase if its still bad. Thanks--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 04:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Five references are still many for a single line. Add any best two or atmost three if needed, because only thing it conveys the presence of Kannada language.--Vin09 (talk) 05:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.andhrapradesh.co.in/hindupur/ is a private site not a reliable one. Can add any other book or as if now it is fine with the existing one.--Vin09 (talk) 05:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This looks good. Thanks for responding.--Vin09 (talk) 05:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Revision to the Pandya Dynasty Article

I noticed the reversion to the article done by you, probably at the behest of Dinesh Kannambadi, who it is well known is biased actually towards Karnataka, Kannada and kingdoms of Karnataka and actually uses derisive language to rivals of kingdoms of Karnataka. He is even known to credit (pls. see the article) Sri Purandaradasa as (some kind of) founder of Carnatic Music despite the fact Purandara was born in 1484 and the hallowed traditions of Carnatic Music have a history of at least 500 years prior to Purandaradasa. EVen now the article on Purandara describes him (wrongly) as one of the Chief Founding Proponents of Carnatic Music, which is a blatant lie and factual inaccuracy. No one denies greatness of Purandara, as a Chief Proponent of Carnatic Music (mainly in the part of India where he resided which was Kannada country - his influence and tours of Tamil or Malayalam territory is minimal), but to call him a Founding Proponent is quite contrary to the truth. Further, it is Mr. Kannamabadi whose prejudice against non-Kannada kingdoms and empire was contested by me. He made a prejudiced contribution to the page on Chalukya king Vikramaditya VI, where he described the defeat of Kulottunga I in Kannada country by Hoysala Vishnuvardhana and later the loss of Vengi, which was won by the Chalukyas, again against Kulottunga I. Mr.Kannambadi described that loss of Vengi by the Cholas as a permanent one, which was wrong, second, he bared his prejudice by writing that because of loss of Gangavadi and Vengi, the Cholas were never able to rise as a military power, which is moronic in my view, because the very next Chola recovered Vengi, expanded the Chola empire by defeating kings of Kalinga and also recovered eastern Gangavadi. Suffice it to say, much to the discomfort of Mr.Kannambadi, the Chola presence in Kannada country continued till about 1215, and it is important to note (against prejudice contentions of Mr. Kannambadi, Pied Hornbill etc.) that the Chola country wasn't weak but stronger as Kulottunga III who ruled for a full 40 years from 1178-1218 AD had controlled Northern Ilangai or Sri Lanka, Pandya country, the Chera country (he was married into that household as well as was the son or father in law of Hoysala Veera Ballala II) i.e. a good 60-odd years after the defeat at Gangavadi and Vengi (followed by its recovery) under various kings from Vikrama Chola to Kulottunga III, which is an indication of both the strength and stability of the Chola empire. In contrast the Chalukyas had lost their capital to Kalachuri Bijjana Deva before 1160 AD and had themselves vanished by 1189 AD while the Cholas continued till 1280 AD, though the last 25 of their existence were as a weaker kingdom. In fact, Mr.Kannamabadi shows his bias in discussions with other wiki contributors where he mentions claims (again without any proof) that the Cholas went into demise or their power weakened because of the rise of the Chalukyas and the Hoysalas, and makes an even more ludicruous claim that after Rajendra Chola I, the Cholas declined which is patently false because at least two successors of Rajendra Chola I, namely his son Rajadhiraja I (and his younger brother Rajendra II) and his youngest brother Vira Rajendra Chola inflicted crushing defeats on the WEstern Chalukyas under Satyashraya, Jayasimha-II, Someshvara Ahavamalla. In fact in the war against Vira Rajendra, Someshwara Ahavamalla first suffered defeat, and when he himself challenged Vira Rajendra, Someshwara himself did not come to the battle fieled following which the Chola army after waiting for a month conquered the Chalukya capital and performed Virabhisheka and levied tribute. In fact, Someshwara's son married Vira Rajendra's daughter which brought peace between both Cholas and Chalukyas..... seen in this background, the ridiculous claim of Mr.Kannambadi that the Cholas declined with the rise of Hoysalas and Chalukyas, has absolutely no legs to stand on. So kindly stop making the claim of bias by me against the Chalukyas or Hoysalas. On the contrary, the claim of bias against Mr. Kannambadi has been proven several times. Pls. see his own talk page, where in 2006 he got this remark from another Wikipedian Mahawiki, which I reproduce below:

suryakanth kamath Hi, Ur citations of A conscise history of karnataka by Surkanth kamath,as u know, is contested by many. I request u to present a neutral and credible source within 24 hours.Reasons behind this request is-

1)Your source seems to be fanatical, uncredible, hoax, advertisement of ur culture/language. 2)You have not presented any online/soft copy of ur source and hence it is not verifiable. Failing to do so,I will be forced to remove ur citations. Mahawiki 19:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Now, my contribution to the was and even now, is based on reliable sources including the ISBN book of Sri K.Nilakanta Sastri titled A History of South India (Oxford India Paperbacks). First reference: on my contention that the Hoysalas had become weaker in Kannada country itself. It has been referenced in the article and here I reference it again: read page 178 (3rd para:) ""After the 2nd Pandya war, Kulothunga (III) undertook an expendition to Kongu to check the growth of Hoysala power ..................performed a Virabhisheka in Karuvur.......... his relations with Ballala seemed to have become friendly"". This meant that even around AD 1190-1200 (or around 1205), Cholas remained militarily strong and were hardly weak and this itself belies the claim, highly prejudiced, of Mr. Kannambadi that after loss of Vengi Cholas were never able to rise as a military power.So it is he, Mr.Kannambadi who sought protection for his false and prejudiced views and sel-serving views, who is based against Pandyas, Cholas etc. rather than the opposite. Second reference about Hoysalas actually becoming weaker: page 180-181 of the same book: "(demise of the Chalukyas by 1190) Ballala-II struck a blow on his own account and defeated Someswara IV and Brahma in a series of battles, which lasted till 1190. That was the end of Chalukya power). Now read further: (next para) Ballala was not left alone in the possession of his northern conquests. ........ (last line)Ballala lost almost all the territory he had gained by his wars against Somesvara IV and Bhillama (1216) (the last two being Yadavas of Devagiri)..... This proves my contention that the Hoysalas had started to weaken right inside their own country and territories. I will take this further: this was before Ballala II under the rule of Narasimha: page 179: "The Kalachuri revolution now ran its course and Bijjala set up rule in the Chalukya capital. He attacked Hoysala Narasimha I and took Banavasi. He was ruling till 1168""...... this means that the Chalukya Jagadekamalla was still ruling, albeit considerably weakened and that Hoysala conquests of Chalukya territory in Kannada country were also being usurped and contested by the Kalachuris starting with Bijjanadeva I, though they themselves lasted till 1189 only, their peak in Kannada country, mostly at the cost of Chalukyas and Hoysalas lasting from around 1145-1189 AD.Also their rise in 1150 AD proves that despite Hoysala Bittiga or Vishnuvardhana being strong enough to drive off Cholas from Gangavadi (Mysore Plateau), very close to the Hoysala capitals of Halebidu or Beluru, the rise of Bijjala Kalachuri itself was a counter to Hoysala growth in Kannada country itself, rather than Hoysalas expanding out of Kannada country. This is in fact given a fillip by wrong claims by writers like Suryanath Kamath who claimed that during Vishnuvardhana's reign Hoysalas reached Rameswaram, which is not mentioned in ANY other historian's book.

Read on further: page 197 (on Pandya strength and weakening and defeat of Hoysalas AND START OF THEIR DECLINE WITHIN KANNADA COUNTRY ITSELF): 3rd para 5th line: "(Pandyan) Kulasekhara pressed the war against Hoysala Ramanatha, who had allied himself closely with Chola Rajendra III, and defeated them both in 1279 (please remember that Hoysala empire ceased to exist by 1330 or so). That was the end of Chola power.

4th para first line: :AFTER THE LOSS OF HIS TAMIL TERRITORY, HOYSALA RAMANATHA STARTED A CIVIL WAR against his brother Narasimha III who was HARD PRESSED BY OTHER ENEMIES LIKE THE YADAVAS OF DEVAGIRI AND THE KAKATIYAS. ................Narasimha died in 1292 and was succeeded by Ballala III. (please note this) HIS ACCESSION WAS NOT NOT DISPUTED BY RAMANATHA, WHO HOWEVER KEPT UP A HOSTILE ATTITUDE TILL HIS DEATH THREE YEARS LATER (PROVES WEAKENING AND FRAGMENTATION OF TERRITORIES OF THE HOYSALAS (A MERE 40 YEARS BEFORE THEIR OWN DEMISE), WHICH means two things: One, that the Pandyas who were on their peak between 1200-1300 AD at the cost of the Cholas (demised by 1280), the Hoysalas driven out of Tamil country 1280 itself, the resurgent Kadava Pallavas, the Nellore and Velananti Chodas/Cholas and had territories up to Kalinga (till disruption and demise of both Pandyans and Hoysalas due to invasions of Malik Kafur between 1318-1330) and second, right from 1239 the Hoysalas desire to expand their territory both towards the north towards Marathi lands and to the South had not been entirely successful, except for their political/marital alliances in turn with the Cholas as well as Pandyas, which is hardly indicative of their military strength. In fact, if you see the chapter on Veera Ballala III, after he lost his kingdom/territory to Malik Kafur, he first had to send his son as a hostage to the Khilji court, and second, when the Muslims fully occupied Hoysala territory, Ballala III did not conquer any land between Srirangam/Kannanur Kuppam and Madurai by force or subjugate any king, but he took advantage of the civil war in Pandyan kingdom, but ultimately had to remain confined between Trichy and Madurai due to the growing invasions of the Muslims. This is proved by the fact that he had to enter his own kingdom in disguise, when he was ultimately caught by the Muslims, butchered and his body filled with grass and hung.

To re-emphasize my contention of curtailment of Hoysala power and infighting among themselves pls. see this too: (same book) page 199, 3rd line: "Singhana's general Vicana, the governor of the Southern province, not only drove him (Someshvara Hoysala) back, but carried his arms up to the banks of the Kaveri (1239) - (pls note the year, weakening of Hoysalas started a full 91 years before their demise. It is also significant to note that Hoysalas at any point of time did not occupy any territory in Maratha country which was with the Yadavas till they themselves were overrun by Malik Kafur's armies). (Read further, as this is significant): Indeed, so disastrous were Somesvara's sallies against the Yadavas that by the end of his reign, he had lost even more territory to them than his predecessors had (pls. remember even Ballala II had lost all his northern territories and more territory than he himself had gained). (Now see this, it is about occupation of vast tracts of land/territory by the Yadavas/Marathi kings in Kannada country) "Singhana's empire, on the other hand, was extended and established by Vicana all over what had been the central, western, and south-western regions of the Western Chalukya empire"...

So, it is based on the above (disturbances, invasions of Hoysala country, their defeats in war plus internal strife) that it was described by me in the Pandya dynasty page as Hoysalas having lost their claim as a significant power in Kannada country. All they did was defeat and put to demise a declining Chalukya dynasty. Hoysalas cound not independently defeat the Kalachuris, the Kakatiyas, certainly not the Yadavas and the Pandyans, and could either defeat the Pandyans or Cholas in the odd war by aligning with either of the two.

As against all this, at one point of time, the page on Hoysalas claimed that they were overlords of the Cholas and Pandyas which is patently false. How can they be overlords of Cholas like Rajadhiraja-II, Kulothunga-III both of whom who fought against the Hoysalas with hostilities ceasing only when Kulothunga III and Ballala II making peace by having a marital alliance. In fact, a later or last Chola King Rajendra III also fought against the Hoysalas, though he lost the battle and even here, the Hoysalas aligned with the Pandyas to defeat the Cholas, which is nothing but a measure of the strength of a weakened Chola kingdom. PLEASE KEEP ALL THE POINTS ABOVE IN MIND AND KINDLY REVERT YOUR EDITS TO MY INPUTS TO THE PANDYA DYNASTY PAGE, WHICH IS NOTHING BUT A PREJUDICIAL ACTION ON YOUR PART. I AM SURE YOU WILL SEE THE POINT IN THE CONTENTIONS AND PROOFS GIVEN ABOVE AND REVIEW YOUR OWN MISTAKE AND TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION. THANKS.

Hence, the claim that I am biased against any empire is blatantly false and a prejudiced claim, by someone who is actually prejudiced. Srirangam99 (talk) 07:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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As mentioned by User:Magentic Manifestations above, please read WP:RS -- a blogspot.com post is not an acceptable source. Also, please don't copy-paste content verbatim from other websites - this is considered copyright violation. utcursch | talk 17:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Looking further through your edits, I found further issues: Vira Ramanatha was copied from its sources, and this edit to Eastern Ganga dynasty was mostly copied from https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29002/1/10673246.pdf. Your edit here to Wayanad district is also just lightly phrased from the source. It appears that copying from your sources is a habit- unfortunately, given the sources you copy from and the scale of your copying, I have to block you to prevent further issues. If you want to be unlocked, you must commit to no longer copying from sources and show a better understanding of copyright. Moneytrees^{Talk🏝️CCI guide} 19:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I sincerely apologise for my edits, which though were done in good faith, were in violation of the copyrights of the sources which I was referring. I was not aware that my edits were in violation of any policy such as copyrights and will follow the rules well, now that I am aware. I guarantee that I will not do it again and will make productive contributions instead. I will write using my own words henceforth. I will definitely overcome my habit of copying from my sources as I was under the impression that deviating too much from the source using my words, phrases and sentences might lead to my content being striked-out or edits being reverted as 'Un-sourced' and/or 'Own-researched or invented' content. I commit to no longer copying verbatim from sources and show a better understanding of the copyright policy. I earnestly request your kind-self to oblige and unblock me as soon as possible and facilitate my edits and contribution to Wikipedia.

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I believe this is sufficient, please be careful in the future. Moneytrees^{Talk🏝️CCI guide} 17:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to follow up on "I was under the impression that deviating too much from the source using my words, phrases and sentences might lead to my content being striked-out or edits being reverted as 'Un-sourced' and/or 'Own-researched or invented' content" as that's an understandable reason for why you were copying from sources. It can be tricky making sure you are accurately representing the source while also not copying it or being too closely worded to it. You want to avoid close paraphrasing, as that is also a copyright violation. My advice on that is to summarize what the source is saying in the most basic way you can, and omit unimportant details. I find keeping my writing concise, or thinking about another simple way to say things, is a good way to avoid copyright issues. Moneytrees^Talk🏝️ 19:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, it is regarding this. Please do not tag edits like these as m (minor), check WP:MINOR on which edits are to be tagged as such. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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