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Please take heed of WP:PROFRINGE. Propaganda for creationism does not belong inside Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please give me a break, Tgeorgescu! I explicitly wrote that I do NOT contest the claims, but am merely requesting a citation! In fact, I have spent much time and energy arguing AGAINST the pseudoscientific claims of young earth creationism in various fora, so why don't you just supply the quotation instead of slandering me for pointing out the lack of one? Nikolaj1905 (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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There's no special notification that will pop up to inform you that you're trying to use a category that doesn't exist, no, but there are still other steps you can take:

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So there's no magic popup, but there are still lots of things you can do to ensure that you're only adding existing categories. Hopefully one of those will be convenient for you. Bearcat (talk) 16:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! That is definitely useful! Nikolaj1905 (talk) 17:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lothair II of Italy tag

Instead of placing an {{according to whom}} tag on Lothair II of Italy, you might check his wife Adelaide of Italy article. If there are no sources to support "the spirited and intelligent", then I'd remove it from Lothair II's article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Kansas Bear! Thank you for engaging!

Adelaide was undoubtedly extremely intelligent, and "spirited" also seems to be a fitting word to describe her. Both of those words, however ("spirited" in particular) seem to be character appraisals that should not appear in the encyclopedia's own "voice". So if you know of a source that cites a contemporary historian or a notable later expert for ascribing intelligence and spiritedness to Adelaide, I think the right way to put it would be "who was described by [the appropriate source] as spirited and intelligent. Otherwise, I think the words should simply be deleted.

Sincerely, Nikolaj1905 (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The article on Adelaide of Italy does not include a verbatim description of her as "spirited and intelligent", and neither does the Historiography section in the article Cultural_depictions_of_Adelaide_of_Italy. Nikolaj1905 (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Men in Middle-earth, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Chiswick Chap!

I don't think you're being fair on me here. @M F Gervais's family tree may be somewhat art-laden, but it provides a fine overview of the families of Men in Middle-Earth. The only specific problem that @CAVincent pointed out was that it was unreadable, but many maps and charts on Wikipedia are until you enlarge them. @CAVincent did write that there are "a host of other problems", but they did not specify what those problems are on either the talk page of the article, or on M F Gervais's user talk page (as far as I could see). Hence, I restored M F Gervais's revision, knowing that it would probably be deleted again, but hopefully with a more thorough explanation of what exactly is wrong with it. But I certainly did not expect a condescending telling-off, claiming that I "have already been told" that it is unencyclopedic. By whom have I been told, and when, and in what context? I don't recall having had any communication about the issue with either you or CAVincent.

You are right, of course, that I knew that there was no consensus, but are you telling me that if an editor reverts an edit (and that without providing a specific reason for doing so), then it is a violation of the edit war policy to restore it? Does everyone on Wikipedia have a veto right to every edit that is made?

Again, there are probably good reasons why M F Gervais's edit did not live up to encyclopedic standards (and since I have seen a host of constructive edits from your profile, you are probably much more capable of discerning that than I am), but why not simply state those reasons, then, instead of launching accusations against me? What happened to "assume good faith"?

P.S. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with the user M F Gervais, I have no idea who they are, and I have no knowledge of their previous contributions; I was merely surprised at the blanket rejection of their edit.

Nikolaj1905 (talk) 09:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for discussing. Yes, I was referring to the comments by the two editors you mention, which broadly chimed with my views even if I might have expressed things differently. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again.

Thank you for replying!

I don't think you understood me quite correctly. One of the two editors that I mentioned was the one who made the edit in question (I was not the one who originally made it; I only restored it because I found CAVincent's reasons for deleting it inadequate). So since you told me off for restoring the edit made by M F Gervais, I highly doubt that M F Gervais's views chime with yours... Nikolaj1905 (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

I'd really like to know the exact reason(s) behind this withdrawal. I'd like to know them so that I can modify/change the image to bring it into line with the rules to which only you seem to have the key. Apart from the fact that you had to enlarge it to read it properly (and Nikolaj1905 rightly pointed out that this is not at all unusual within Wikipedia itself), in my opinion this image provides an immediate aerial view of the various protagonists of the Edain and Eldar. A view that even Tolkien himself had published at som point.

And finally, I would like to understand why, according to your point of view, information shouldn't be presented in an 'aesthetic and beautiful' way in order to be encyclopaedic? M F Gervais (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there!

It looks like @Chiswick Chap has left this discussion. He has yet to answer the questions I asked him about why he gave me such a rude and condescending reproach for restoring your edit, so I would not count on him to answer your questions here. But anyway, he was not the one who originally deleted your image, so the best advice I can give you is probably to go to @CAVincent's user talk page and ask him exactly what was wrong with your edit.

It does sadden me that there seem to be so many seasoned Wikipedia editors whose courtesy does not seem to match their great editing skills. I for one am beginning to ask myself whether it is worthwhile to keep making edits when we can't even get a decent explanation of what we have done wrong...

Nikolaj1905 (talk) 08:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolaj1905, I simply issued a standard (templated) warning on the repeated re-insertion, so your remarks about seasoned editors etc are wholly misplaced. I'll just note here that I concur with the original removal as the image is very far from encyclopedic. And please don't keep pinging me, thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap, I have not "repeatedly reinserted" anything!

As for the rudeness, I was not speaking about the templated warning on this page (misplaced though it were), I was talking about your edit summary where you accused me of editwarring and condescendingly lectured me that I "had already been told" that the edit (which, I repeat, was NOT made by me) was not encyclopedic.

But why do I even bother - you don't seem to have read any of what I have written so far, or you wouldn't be accusing me of "repeated re-insertion". I made ONE revert of a deletion of SOMEONE ELSE's edit. I just don't get how that makes me the bad guy in your eyes, liable to be threatened with a warning and what not. Since I don't know what I've done wrong, and you're not willing to tell me, I see no other way to heed the warning than to make no further edits to Wikipedia. At least that'll save me some time.

Nikolaj1905 (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

tl;dr ... but if it was a mistake, my apologies. I still think the image completely unencyclopedic, which if I recall was another editor's view also. I have, by the way, already asked you not to ping me but you've done it again. Please respect other editors' time and privacy. Thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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