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To Ethnic Minorities in Greece

...phge dyo boltes shmera... o fragkiskos meta thn koubenta allakse ton titlo kai to phge sto ethnic groups in Greece (dhladh allagh xwris shmasia) kai meta egw to phga sto minority groups in Greece. Nomizw ekei pou einai kala einai, alla prepei na prosexoume mhpws ginei pali kamia periergh metakomish.--   Avg    19:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I say we move it to "Ethnic Greeks who vote for gay rights". NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Jkelly

Well, I agree with you, as I have already agreed in that page before, again and again and again... I think the problem lies in what people tend to define as article improvement. For me, for example, (as for many other users, not necessarily Greek, like here and here), the ultimate article improvement for this particular article, would be to have a fairly elaborate analysis of the naming dispute. Hence, the name of the article itself, is a huge article improvement issue. The funny comments about your name (here and here), aim to illustrate that being a Republic does not necessarily require others to be forced to call you exactly as you demand! I find it very humorous and very improving. Ofcourse, you can disagree on my (and the others') priorities considering improvement, but you must admit that it is a very amusing parallel... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify; I'm not actually grumpy about it.Jkelly 20:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I knew you wouldn't be J. Your humor is evident. Did it make you think though?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's see.I don't think FWKAT would be automatically adminned.In fact, I think that when FWKAT discussed applying for EU admin membership, I would make it widely known that I would vote "Strong oppose -- username, also other issues.", and some other editors would think I was being completely unreasonable, while others would say "Well, Jkelly has been a trusted admin for a while now, and we should probably be careful here."Jkelly 22:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... You mean that you'd just oppose because he dared mess with your name -OR- would you oppose to FWKAT applying for adminship as FWKAT, rather than as "Republic of Jkelly"?I really am puzzled, but then again, maybe it was intentional... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Greece

Nick, what do you think of my tweaks to Portal:Greece (in terms of minority languages). Telex 20:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I like languages (quite evidently)! I just think that 1 or 2% minorities is not comparable to 25% as in Portal:Republic of Macedonia. Feel free to include them, although I'd think that most users would be interested to see the name in Greek only. (Ha ha, I can't imagine the length of the intro in Portal:United Kingdom!!!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually there you would only have English, French, Welsh, Gaelic, Manx, Irish, Cornish and Romani. Telex 20:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Hindi? Any more articles/portals you want to cosmopiltanize[sic]?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hindi is an immigrant language, not an autochthonous language (of course even English is an immigrant language). So the test is has the language been spoken here for at least 200 years ;-) Telex 22:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. 200 years huh? Is this out of your head or is there a WP policy about it! :-) Also, can you point out some more articles to cosmopolitanize[sick of using sic]?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It's off the top of my head. User:Macedonia's sockpuppets are really getting to me now - look at this [1]. There's only one word I can think of to describe him: κομπλεξικός. Telex 22:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe you should tell him that his language didn't exist 200 years ago (but that would be off the top of your head, plus I really like languages anyway). I'll deal with him in a while. What about the part that apparently [sic]ens you?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that he seems to feel he has to prove that the country is sometimes called Macedonia by citing sources ;-) he's probably afraid the readers don't believe it otherwise. I'd revert him, but I'm on a revert fast right now. Telex 22:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion in Bomac's Talkpage

For some crazy html reason (maybe the width of the border of your boxes, or the gap between them) your userpage looks in all of my computers (I use 3) weird: The right-side box (width 35%) apears BELOW the left-side box (width 63%)!! I presume this appearance error happens to other users as well. I have made some small modifications for you, to go around that possible problem: I changed the left-side box width to 62% (-1%), the right-side box width to 34% (-1% too) and the top box to 98% (-1% instead of -2%, since it doesn't have a gap in-between boxes) for correct vertical alignment with the bottom two boxes. I hope you don't see any ...Greek POV push motives, in that change, but ofcourse it's your userpage, and you can revert it anytime!! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 10:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it! Greek propaganda on my user page. That's... Just kiddin . Oh it looks fine. Thanks anyway. Bomac 11:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha Ha! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Signature shop

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Border thingie

Isn't it the border dispute, one of the main things discussed between two governments, the Kosovo and Macedonian government? Obviously it is not Serbia and Montenegro's border, because if it was, the Macedonian Govt would not care to discuss it with Kosovo's institutions. I think that is a border what is being talked about. Correct me if I am wrong. Ilir pz 00:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well you're right, but, still, there's no official border just YET (or I may be wrong?). Anyway, I am sure you can rephrase, though... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Rephrase how? (speculating) You want me to include Kosovo in the brackets after SCG? Not sure I can do that, my conscience does not allow me to. How official should should the border be: Macedonia and Kosovo have border agreements, free trade through the borders, economic agreements, etc etc? Curious to hear your rephrasement. With all due respect to Macedonia as a country, and one of the neighbouring countries of Kosovo which we have the best relationship with, Ilir pz 01:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

FYROM borders Kosovo which borders central Serbia? Telex 01:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

...which borders Hungary? (sorry for being ironic) I have no idea. I just know that I wasn't predicting any status or anything, just said that Macedonia does border Kosovo, and for Kosovo's borders its government is responsible. Can't be clearer, really. Ilir pz 01:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me, but my concience does not allow me to equalise Kosovo with the rest of undisputedly distinct and separate different countries listed along. Despite the fact that I disagree with it not being separate. It's getting late (4am here), I'll log off soon, I won't re-revert, just try to make it as NPOV as possible by rephrasing (after SCG excluded as an option ofcourse). Also, a helpful tip: refrain from writing Macedonia (for the country) in a Greek's talk-page... Some of us think it's offensive... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

We are all sensitive about something, Balkans people. Sorry for unintentional mistake. I appreciate your comments. Logging off, too. Would look forward to rephrasing suggestions. Suggestions are always appreciated. g'night.Ilir pz 01:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Interpretation of poll results in Republic of Macedonia/FYROM

Με το Poll τι έγινε; talk to +MATIA 11:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Read Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia#Poll:_Response_from_Cecropia and the comments below it. Apparently a new poll has started whether we accept a given interpretation of the previous poll. Your feedback is welcome. NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks talk to +MATIA 11:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

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 «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  ^(T) 20:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Bravo Mystic! They're great! (I only wish you had more grumpy ones right now...)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

PS the more I see how beautiful the signature I designed for you is, the more I envy you!!!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

re: 3RR

I have full trust in the ability of the 3RR board to determine whether or not that's a 3RR violation, so I won't get involved. For what it's worth, though, I see no violation. Snoutwood (talk) 23:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It is a theoretical 3RR violation, but it's more like blatant wikilawyering. Let's just leave it for now, the article's on steroids for the next 24 hours (if he doesn't want to violate the rule of course). Anyway, Deskana has already warned him not to revert again or he'll be blocked. He can't go ahead and block him now (I don't know if any other admins are interested). Telex 23:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure. It's not a 3RR violation because in the first edit he didn't revert: he was adding the information. Then he reverted three times. Another time would be a violation. Does that help? Snoutwood (talk) 23:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

All he has to do is revert four times, to any reversion, and that's a violation. In this case, he'd have to add the phrase one more time (thus reverting the removal), and that'd be that. Snoutwood (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

Have you seen this - do if you enjoy a good laugh. Telex 21:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I am stalking you and saw it from Miskin's talk. :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why on earth would you indulge in such a boring practice? Tell me, do you think they actually believe the stuff they write, or are they just being provocative? Telex 21:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Earth? That reminds me of something... Oh, and yes. They do believe what they write because unfortunately their education system is completely biased and it is impossible to get it out of their heads. Gladly there are other nationality users (like you) here, who re-confirm. It is evident also by the phrase of the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the issue:

The best example of this (springboard for distorting reality) is to be seen in the content of school textbooks in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

I only wish they are enlightened somehow, and start reading something else for a change... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I could read a ton of greek books but it will not change what was told to me by my grandparents and my great-grandmother. I'm a Macedonian and It's a fact. Deal with it. --Realek 22:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

But ofcourse you are a Macedonian. Nobody disputed that. It's just that there are other people too from other ethnic groups that are called Macedonians, like the Greeks. Your monopolization of their name is offensive, not your using it, because it messes with their right to self-identify as they want. Is this ok, or is it fascistoid too? NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is no ethnic group called Greek Macedonians. They are members of the Greek ethnic group and "Macedonian" is a geographical adjective. I'm sure you understand this but you seem to think that it helpes the anti-Macedonian cause and keep pushing it despite being obviously false. Another thing: it is funny that you claim it is Macedonia who monopolises tha name! Last time I checked it was Greece wich is trying in void to rename my country/people/language because all Macedonian stuff is supposedly some kind of greek brand. --Realek 22:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The Slavic Macedonians were members of the Bulgarian ethnic group until Tito changed their minds and they became an ethnic group in their own right. Had Yugoslavia annexed an ethnically Greek portion of Macedonia, then the Greek Macedonians would have become the Macedonian ethnic group (just a thought). Telex 22:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say "ethnic group", I said "other people from other ethnic groups". Meaning, part of the Greeks self-identify as Macedonians too. Are you implying that an autonomous republic status suddently would give them the right to monopolize the name of the region too? Since when are people inferior for belonging to a greater country? (now THAT is fascistoid!) Just read the link to the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No Greek patents, no Greek monopolization. You're free to use it. The suggestion is not to use it alone, but find a way to disambiguate, as the Greeks certainly would too. Goodnight.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, 51% of the region of Macedonia is in Greece and 55% of its inhabitants are ethnic Greeks. If anyone should be monopolizing the name, it should be the Greeks (who speak a different form of the same language as the ancient Macedonians spoke according to Franz Heinrich Ludolf Ahrens). Telex 22:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't care if it were 99%. As long as there are people in the same region, my pov is that it is offensive depriving their right to self-identify as they want, by monopolizing the name of the region. Other than that, numbers, history and language are just details, that add to this Human Right of self-determination. Oh, and GOODNIGHT, already!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Typical flooding with confusing false and unrelated statetements to hide the point. --Realek 23:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Either that, or you can't refute them ;-) Telex 23:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I wont waste my time on confronting irational things that refute themselves. That would be very foolish of me and a inexcusable waste of my time. --Realek 23:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Either that or you can't refute them ;-) Telex 23:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Number 1 in both cases ;) --Realek 23:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you should let the others who read this discussion to judge this.... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 09:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Bouzoukia

Aman pia! 8a kleisoun ta mpouzoukia me th wp! NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL!:). Tha pigaina simera, alla to akurwsa... --Hectorian 01:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Ki egw! Oi filoi mou einai Makropoulo, alla protimhsa ouiskaki kai WP... Mhpws eimai wikiholic?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hehe! Mipws wiki- kai alco-?:) --Hectorian 01:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Protimisa na kanw portmanteau... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Molis ematha mia kainourgia lexi... --Hectorian 01:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Mallon 8a thn kataxwrhse kapoios alkoolikos pou tou aresei kai h WP... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Serbia and Montenegro

Wow, you put my country in first place at the "places I've been to" section. How do you like Serbia? Where exactly did you go? --serbiana - talk 01:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I liked everything! First of all I liked the warm welcome of Serbs! Then I liked Danube and the games between water and earth with Ostrvo (<-correct?) and Kalemegdan. I liked Gazela and the other bridge, and I was amazed to find out that all of you just sat there gazing at the bombs in order to protect it! I liked Novi Beograd for its wide streets and great rymotomy. I liked Bulevar (Alexandra) and Knez Mihailova shopping. I liked Zemun. I liked the floating restaurants. I liked the steaks at Knez Milos restaurant. I even liked Panchevo (and sincerely think it is underestimated regarding land-value as I am certain that there will be a Novi Novi Beograd sometime over there). I also went to Nis and to Novi-Sad. The impressions were similarly good! I am anxious to revisit soon...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I get the impression that you appreciate Serbia more than I do ;-) It makes me sooo glad to hear that people like Serbia and would like to visit it again. You didn't visit one beautiful city not far from Novi Sad, and thats Subotica, my city. It's not big, but it has a large centre with wide streets, not as big as the ones in Belgrade, but certainly as charming. There is also a beautiful lake next to Subotica, called Palić, I hope you get to see it one day. If you ever need a place to stay in Serbia, feel free to contact me, most of my family is in Serbia and I go there every summer. Also, if you want to visit Vancouver, don't worry about the accomodation. When did you go to Serbia? Do you speak any Serbian? (I'm sure you know hello and goodbye: ćao) I have a lot of Greek friends here in Vancouver, so I know a little Greek, but not enough to endulge in a conversation. I've been to Greece a few times, but I was really young and don't remember much. I'd like to see Athens and maybe even go on that Aegean and Ionian Sea tour you are recommending. When I decide to go, you could recommend a route and places I should visit :-) I love to travel and have been to 20 countries. I'm always thinking about which places I should go to, since you've travelled more, I'd love to hear your thoughts on which places are worth visiting, and which ones aren't. All the best, --serbiana - talk 02:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. You can answer here, I'll just put your talk page on my watchlist, if thats ok with you :-)

No problem wathching, after all check remark #3 above :-D!! Subotica seems great in WP, I'll definitely visit it next. It also has a substantial population for my business. Regretfully, I don't speak any Serbian (apart from curses like picku madre and dobredan/dobrevecer/hvala/racun/voda etc). I see we've mostly been to the same countries! Thanks for your proposed hospitality, likewise, whenever you try Athens, I'll be glad to help! And don't even think of missing that Aegean-Ionian tour, it's a sin! About destination suggestions, —yeah, as if I've been all over the world!— :-( I guess it depends on what your interests are. Are you romantic or a party animal? Summer or winter? Culture or modern? Sea or mountain? Alone or with a girl; just with her or with company? Just give me a hint and I'll help with what I know...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'm more of a romantic person, not that much of a party animal. Time of year doesn't really matter, I prefer summertime, simply because the weather is nicer. As far as culture is concerned, I enjoyed watching the buildings of Old Jerusalem and the Roman theatres in Sicily as much as I enjoyed going up the CN Tower in Toronto and the Eye in London. So, culture and modern stuff are equally interesting for me. I prefer the sea, even though I've been to a bunch of mountains, I don't really enjoy it that much (I lived in Vojvodina most of my life, where everything is flat; don't like climbing mountains). I would either travel with my girl, or just with friends. I'll definately contact you before I go to Athens, I'd like to meet you in person. As I see it, there are two types of people, the ones that don't like to travel, and the ones that do. I'm a filmmaker (check out my website) and I could make a documentary about the Aegean-Ionian tour (just like they do on the Travel channel). You could tell me what sort of trips you prefer, and I could give you my recommendations on what to visit. All the best, --serbiana - talk 17:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

No problemo, contact me whenever you have time :-) If you have MSN, add my e-mail: bormalagurski@hotmail.comAll the best, --serbiana - talk 05:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then. If your pref is romantic, summer, cultural, modern, sea, flat, with girl and maybe some friends, then I'd definitely suggest the Aegean/Ionian tour:

• Sea and summer: If you charter a yacht along with your friends, you can definitely enjoy the sea and summer.
• Cultural and modern: You'll land in Athens, so you can get your cultural dose in Acropolis and some museums. Athens is a modern city too, although I wouldn't compare the CN tower to anything here.
• Romantic with girl and maybe some friends: Sounds a little contradicting, so you need to have the option to do both. If e.g. you go to Myconos or Paros or Ios, then you and your friends can party, enjoy night-life, beach-bars etc. If you go to Santorini or Astypalaia or Amorgos or Milos or Polyaigos or Kimolos, it's much quieter, pictoresque and cultural. My favorite nights with my boat are the deserted beach BBQ parties with friends. Sometimes the sun wakes me up on the sand...
• Flat: Well, I think I'll dissapoint you with this. There's no such thing in Greece, apart from limited plains and valleys on the mainland. Greece is carved by the sea and the ancient volcanic explosion of Thira (they say the tsunami crossed Gibraltar and devastated even Mexico!) Cliffs, hills, mountains and canyons are the drill here, and that's what makes it so beautiful. I suggest you just watch them and don't climb any!

More details when you actually decide to do it...

PS. Your site is really cool!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, actually I talked about the tour with my gf and she thinks it's a great idea, we might even go next year!!! The tour sounds like paradise (well, except the mountains part, but I'll manage somehow :-)), I can't wait to experience it! --serbiana - talk 22:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep in touch, I'll fill you in with little details once you book it. Hell, I might even help you design your Odyssey's itinerary... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure :-) --serbiana - talk 22:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)