User talk:Nancetlv

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Welcome

Please read the Wikipedia policy WP:NPA thouroughly. --BostonMA 23:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Vandalism"

Please familarize yourself with the rather specific meaning of vandalism as used with respect to Wikipedia articles. In particular, familiarize yourself with the section explaining what is not considered vandalism. This is important; unfounded accusations of vandalism, as you've been making in edit comments and on talk pages, are considered personal attacks; besides the fact that they significantly lower the credibility of the person making the accusations, they are in direct contravention of Wikipedia's policy of no personal attacks. There is no excuse for personal attacks; this includes reacting to what you may perceive as personal attacks. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 02:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Israelbeach Vs. Woggly

In the past 24 hours there has been an escalation in the war of the words between user:Israelbeach and user:Woggly. Woggly who never apologized for her personal attacks against Israelbeach was never addressed or blocked for these attacks by the administrators. In fact, she has been attacking Israelbeach, whose identity is for all to see, from an anonymous position. Not very fair or ethical!

Israelbeach, in turn, revealed Woggly's identity, something he was wrong for doing. According to Wiki policy: "This sort of behavior is blockable on its own (for example, moving another user's User Talk page), but should be considered an aggravating factor for the purposes of the block. For example, behavior that would earn a 1 day ban might become a 1 week ban if the Administrator believes the behavior was for the purposes of harassment. The block should only be enforced after warning the user and these pleas go ignored."

Israelbeach was warned by user:jpgordon and according to the logs deleted all material within minutes. Israelbeach should not have been blocked according to Wiki policy as he never ignored any warnings by adm but reacted quickly to them.

Woggly is now rightfully worried about legal action that Israelbeach can take against her for stating, without substance, that he was "dangerous" and other accusations made in front of his local community and the world public. She now appears to be leaving Wikipedia on her own.

Solution: Both Israelbeach and Woggly are professional editors and should be encouraged to stay with the Wiki project. The block on Israelbeach should be removed immediately, as it only serves to increase conflict. Remember, after a first warning, Israelbeach on his own removed all personal data even though he thought he was correct due to that personal information regarding Woggly was posted by Woggly with a direct link to Wikipedia that anyone can find on a simple Google search.

Both Israelbeach and Woggly should be warned with no punitive action taken and instructed not to interact with one another on Wikipedia. These are two professionals with tremendous pride - do not expect either to aplogize at this point. We must encourage both users to stay, to avoid court action (with the documentation that Israelbeach has on these clear personal attacks, no judge would deny Woggly's guilt) and keep Wikipedia operating with less negative news coverage.

I do not blame Woggly or Israelbeach for their now wanting to resign from Wikipedia, I place the blame solely on the desk of the administrators who could have taken action on the personal attacks which started this conflict. Woggly and Israelbeach are both assets to Wikipedia, all action should be taken to keep them here. I will be posting message in how to resolve this matter this on other pages. Nancetlv 12:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I'll refer you to the blocking policy, which says "Users who post personal details about other users without their consent may be blocked for any length of time, including indefinitely, depending on the severity of the incident and whether the blocking admin feels the incident was isolated or is likely to be repeated." After discussing the issue with some other admins on IRC, I decided to block Israelbeach indefinitely, until he apologised to Woggly and Woggly accepted the apology. This was the response: [1]

Secondly, I'll refer you to the discussion on WP:ANI, where User:Jpgordon said: "I did chastise Israelbeach for posting the information, and he kinda-halfway removed it while announcing to the world where it could be found; I was lenient only because I've been involved... otherwise I'd have blocked him immediately for disruption and harassment." All admins who have considered this issue so far are in agreement about the block and its conditions. I suggest you raise the issue further at WP:ANI if you have a problem with the block.

Thirdly, even if the block for posting personal information were to be removed, Israelbeach is still under a block for contravening the no legal threats policy: [2]. The block is indefinite while legal threats are outstanding. --bainer (talk) 12:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then you must block Woggly as well for her legal threats. Nancetlv 13:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]