User talk:Nair

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Lead on Nair article

Please can you leave the lead section of the Nair article alone. It will be completely rewritten once the main article is sorted out. It is impossible to write a lead without the article body being in a decent state. This is because the lead is intended to summarise the article. You are, unfortunately, putting the cart before the horse here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

   the Brahmins: scholars, teachers, priests and sages.
   the Kshatriya: kings, soldiers, and rulers.
   the Vaishyas: merchants, cattle herders and agriculturists
   the Shudras: labourers, craftsmen and artisans.

   The worshippers of temples are not kshatriyas. Generally muslims should not be interested in Nair article. If you have any grudges against any fellow collegue of yours who happen to be a Nair, then this not the right way.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.122.120 (talk) 05:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC) 

Talkback

Hello, Nair. You have new messages at Sitush's talk page.
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Sitush (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Nair

I have removed your last post at Talk_:Nair. Please can you do everyone a favour and let this issue drop? You admit that you are speculating and you are well aware that this is a very sensitive issue. There is no point in being silly about it. We are all aware that you & Chekon (who are probably the same) enjoy taking sly digs at Nair but if you persist in doing this then there will be consequences. Gaming the system, as you appear to be doing, is unacceptable. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 07:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Please grow up. Wikipedia is not censored. Deleting others' comments is not the worst thing you do. You are genuinely putting your time to spoil an article by making it unreliable at first read itself. I just answered a bragging comment from Raj. You deleted my answer and kept Raj's self-glorification. This is the latest example for your bias, of which I am very well aware already. I am not going to add it again because I hate (and have no time for) non-constructive SILLY arguements. Congrats. --KondottySultan (talk)

Article talk pages are for discussion of the article, not the subject of the article. I seem now to be accused by you of bias in favour of Nairs and by others of bias against the Nairs. I guess that means that I am neutral, which is precisely where we all should be. Anyway, I have referred my deletion to an admin, even before your reply here. I am happy to see it reviewed and, if necessary, reinstated. - Sitush (talk) 11:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KondottySultan for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Sitush (talk) 13:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC) Kampil Anandan is a well known Historian. SN Sadasivan is also an accomplished historian. It is not fair to degrade them or to present them " i have not heard of " kind of category must have come from some strange objective. Ezhavas and Thiyyas are one of the most widely misrepresented communities. I do not know the reason. One quality I have observed about the people of Kerala is that wwhen it comes to matters related to caste, community etc. most want to project their own communities in heroic,aristocratic, noble flavours and other communities in a bad taste to the extent diplomatically possible. Ezhavas and Thiyyas in general , on the other hand, do not seem to be bothered about their own history, greatness or otherwise and even what others tell,talk or write about them. In the process, there have been lot of misrepresentations which have got in to records without any noticable protests or objections . May I give a few examples:

1. Many people ( especially non Ezhavas ) try to project that the main occupation of Ezhavas is Toddy tapping. If we go through the Travancore Manual and Malabar Malabar Manual published in the 19th century it can be seen that major chunk of Ezhavas and Thiyyas are engaged in agriculture - as peasants, farmers and agriculurists. In Malagar Manual by Logan Thiyyas occupation is recorded as Agriculture. MOst were peasants, a considerable portion ware farmers and a few were landlords. It is a fact that some of the Ezhava / Thiyya landlord families of 18th,19th and early 20th centuries had landholding extensive than any landlords from Nair caste / castes considered upper to Nairs.

According to Travancore Census report of 1931 , only 3 % of the Ezhavas is engaged im Toddy tapping. So how can that occupation be projected as the main occupation of the community.

Toddy tapping is a highly skilled occupation and is a respectable one. It is only the commitment to truth which is behind this point of view.

2. That Ezhavas traditionally had the largest number of Ayurvedic physicians is mentioned in Vishwa Vijnana Kosham ( Encyclopedia ) published by Govt of Kerala. But if you refer the books, articles etc circulating in more numbers, if the author is a non-Ezhava , you will get a misleading picture , all done very diplomatically.

3. Kalari Payattu , the martial arts form, had more connection to Ezhavas than any other community. In Travancore, till King Marthanda Varma's reign, Ezhava Army with Kalari Payattu experts were an important part of the Kingdoms Army. Martanda Varma's enemies, the Ettu Veettil Pillais were trained in marial arts, by an Ezhava amily of Aryankavu. This made Marthanda Varma enimical to Ezhavas leading to liquidation of the Ezhava Army.

Chekavars, athe martial arts section among Thiyyas, had high level of expertise in Kalari Payattu.

However, many non-Ezhavas try to project certain other communities as the stalwarts of Kalari Payattu, in movies, literature etc.

Broadly, Malayalis need to open up their minds much more. The worl is much bigger than what they see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.200.76 (talk) 02:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abusing multiple accounts.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. —SpacemanSpiff 07:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

Your addition to Nair has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 04:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I am well aware that some minor edits were removed as well as the copyrighted content. They were trivial. Now, please remove that content if you have again reinserted it. - Sitush (talk) 12:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I have moved some paragraphs that describe origin theories of caste system to a new subsection. You reverted that edit also. Did you do it purposefuly? --Nair (talk) 12:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

"Sort of". It was trivial and I didn't see any particular need to keep the change & it saved cutting out the copyvio the hard way. However, if you prefer the layout like that then fair enough, I am not going to argue about it. If you reinsert the info about spittle etc then you need to cut it right back: as with the shaving stuff that you put in previously, it is a grotesque amount of detail for a trivial point and will only serve to anger people from the Nair community unnecessarily. The article annoys them enough already without adding any gratuitous content. - Sitush (talk) 13:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not censored. I don't find any reason not to include things such as spittle, if there is proper citation for it. It is not Wikipedia's policy to hide or obliterate history simply because you think it may offend somebody. Thanks. --Nair (talk) 13:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I would agree, but you are forgetting WP:DUE, as you did when you added the shaving stuff. Consensus was against you then and will be against you now. It is better not to muck-rake when a point is trivial. We really can do without the drama. - Sitush (talk) 13:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

.. indefinitely. Like it matters, seeing as you're now using IPs and proxies to write disparaging comments about other editors you've been in disagreement with - Alison ^❤ 04:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)