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MTG Situation

Hi Nableezy, it's apparent to me that perhaps I should have requested an admin to drop the disputed content instead of taking it upon myself. In the future if there's another situation like this (assuming I remain unsanctioned) is there a place to request an admin get involved? Would this be somewhere like WP:THIRD or is there a better place? Thank you, nevertheless, for stepping in and bringing attention to the difficulties of trying to keep some of these articles in a NPOV state. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I suppose it could be AN/I, but that just seems extremely procedural and heavy handed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

To be frank, it seems pretty obvious from the talk page why it is you wanted the material removed. And to continue being frank, its not a motivation I am at all sympathetic to. But you are right on the conclusion, that editors shouldnt be cherry picking whatever the latest cycle of dumb things said by notable people happens to be in the news. Its an old CAMERA wikilobby technique, whenever some person makes some idiotic statement, make sure their article is update with that idiotic statement. If they dont have an article, make one. Its just a method to try to make the top google result about a person be a compendium of all the things one would want highlighted to embarass or otherwise make John Q Googler not like the subject. As to what you should have done, idk tbh. I dont think you would have been taken all that seriously on most noticeboards, just because a. its obvious youre an MTG backer and to be honest most people are going to question your good faith just on that basis, and b. the editors you were going up against have some amount of good will built up due to having been opposed to what many of us find to be a group of editors who have tried for years to tilt our articles to a Fox News-esque narrative. But in my opinion this went way past that. This was just an editor trying to force through their change through reverts. And that is expressly prohibited by several policies here. Once upon a time I was topic banned for 2 months for 3 reverts over 6 days. This was 3 in 6 minutes. But in general, you should not revert something more than once, period. At that point, if you get reverted you should try to convince others to revert it. Whats disappointing to me here is that there were a number of other users on the talk page agreeing that the material did not belong, including an admin (though an involved in the topic area so cant really be an admin there). One of them should have reverted it out IMO. It may have convinced Zaathras to stop with the mindless no Im right and you cant stop me reverts, it may not have. But if you want to avoid getting sanctioned for edit-warring, stop at one revert. Not in a day, period. There are times you are justified in re-reverting, hell I still think that topic ban of mine was incorrect and my reverts were all totally backed by policy. But if you dont want to get banned for edit-warring then dont edit-war. The end. nableezy - 05:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the history lesson. I realize some editors may feel like I'm a supporter of MTG, that's not entirely true. Some of her positions I agree with, and some I don't. Nevertheless, I feel strongly that many of the BLPs on wiki for right-wing politicians are merely long-running collections of every single negative coverage they've ever received (and some probably deserve a bit of that). While I recognize this is just a reflection of MSM coverage and particularly with the biases of that coverage, I suspect that as editors we can do better.

If we're being honest, the reason why I initially reverted and opposed the inclusion of that content on the MTG page was I felt particularly strongly about the AOC edit and how that played out. After thinking about it though, I agree with the arguments behind being reverted on that. However, why shouldn't the same rationale apply to politicians on the other side of the fence?

Message heard re: one revert. If I can't convince another editor to revert after making sound arguments then I suppose it is what it is. Thanks again. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It not just it is what it is, if theres just a consensus among a set of editors on a talk page then take it to a noticeboard like BLP/N or NPOV/N, or open an RFC. But stop reverting until there is some wider consensus for your position. nableezy - 15:27, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I wasn't suggesting that I just keep brute forcing my position. But thank you for the advice on where to take it, that helps. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

In the news

Hey, I've never been able to gauge whether topics are likely to pass scrutiny at in the news, but obits seem to generally get accepted with less fuss, so do you think Khader Adnan would fly? Pretty notable life-long hunger striker. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggested a blurb. Doubt it, but it is the type of story that should be, it isnt just so and so died peacfully in their sleep. nableezy - 09:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	A tactful response. At this point, you're a pro at responding to ad hominems about your userbox! Curbon7 (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Curbon7, too kind of you. I dont think it would help to tell people I am neither Shia, Lebanese, or a Hezbollah supporter, and that you dont have to be to be opposed to politically correct censoring of unpopular views. nableezy - 02:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

500 edit requirement at ITN?

I saw you make several comments saying that users with less than 500 edits are not allowed to comment at ITN. Where is that said? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:A/I/PIA. It isnt an ITN thing, its an Arab-Israeli conflict thing. They are welcome to comment in non EC-restricted topics of course. nableezy - 20:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah okay. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

This doesn't make sense to me, though. A little under two years ago, we allowed non-EC editors to comment and discuss these sorts of topics regarding Israel/Palestine over at ITN. Has it really changed that much in that time? I see "pages and edits that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict" in the lead of A/I/PIA, and I'm not sure that ITN/C counts as apart of the 'conflict zone'. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:ARBECR, However, non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even within the "Talk:" namespace. Internal project discussions include, but are not limited to, AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, RMs, and noticeboard discussions. nableezy - 00:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure if ITNC counts as a 'noticeboard', especially when compared to something like AN/I, FT/N or even RS/N. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Not sure why you’re taking the last in a list of locations as though it were the only one, but yes ITN is not a noticeboard. It is however an internal project discussion and that discussion is related to the topic area. If youd like to challenge that feel free to, but the language is clear and I dont find much need to explain further. nableezy - 01:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Fakescientist8000, this was not enforced at ITN until recently due to disruption caused from the Russian-Ukraine war, which also has an ECP provision like PIA. Curbon7 (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification! Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Khader Adnan

On 3 May 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Khader Adnan, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For graceful persistence keeping discussion on matters of substance at ITN, and because Curbon beat me to the Barnstar of Diplomacy! The indefatigable commitment to constructive debate is impressive and appreciated. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but Im definitely fatigued. nableezy - 18:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Ha, understandable! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Not all terrible

These image changes weren't half bad - principle aside, I might restore some if you don't mind. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Signature

Hi!

I saw your signature on ANI, and I was curious to know how you got to edit the box around the timestap? Thank you! Callmemirela 🍁 03:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I hard coded it in, you can see the code at User:Nableezy/sig.css. But that also means I sign with three tildes, and that means I cant use the reply tool. nableezy - 03:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Did you include the css page in the preferences or as part of your signature template? Callmemirela 🍁 03:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

In my preferences for signature I subst the css page, as in that box has {{SUBST:User:Nableezy/sig.css}} and the checkbox for treat as wiki markup is checked. nableezy - 03:21, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you so much! Callmemirela 🍁 03:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Mentorship

I'm happy that we can work together on this noble project. I am currently working on an edit (historical context) for the article Deir Hajla, which I will shortly submit for your review. Again, I appreciate all that you've done for me, and I will not disappoint you.Davidbena (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok sounds good David, just let me know when youre ready. Just be patient with me, have some long drives ahead of me today/tomorrow so may need a few hours to respond (or longer for sleep lol). nableezy - 14:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

This edit here is for your information (approval or disapproval).Davidbena (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. nableezy - 03:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there any other place in the world where a constructive relationship like this could come about on this heated and emotional topic? I don’t think so.

You are both making us even more proud of our project. Well done both of you. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

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Saw a meme without revealing your age say something a younger person would never understand. This isnt bad, but the "video games only worked on channel 3" made me feel way older than this. nableezy - 00:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, what can I say. Having grown up with and learned how to program on the Amstrad CPC464 I'm a sucker for the 8-bit microcomputer line-up! Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I dunno, I grew up poor in a rural area, so video games at channel 3 were still a thing for a while after the practice disappeared elsewhere... what do you mean, that was 15 years ago? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I remember going to my grandmas apartment in Cairo as a kid and trying to adjust the color on her TV with the dials, not realizing that what I was doing was adjusting the frequency each of the buttons would tune the TV to when pressed. She had like one and a half working channels until we could get somebody to come fix it lol, was not a fun summer in Egypt nableezy - 00:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Substitute Cairo for my grandparent's house in Balloo, County Down, and funnily enough I have the exact same story. Fixing it wasn't too bad, though I vaguely recall my granda being angry about not being able to watch the 6 O'clock news. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Wild lol, mine was more concerned with the dubbed Bold and Beautiful that would play in primetime back there and then. nableezy - 14:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Editors and BLP

"Sanger is both covered by BLP and NPA," Yes and no. He is covered by NPA, but not, as an editor, by BLP. I once was severely libeled (total falsehood) in my capacity as an editor by another major editor and was told that BLP did not apply to me. I tried to delete it as a violation of BLP and was repeatedly reverted. I couldn't get help from anyone. The libel is probably archived now. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Well yes not as an editor, but when somebody says Larry Sanger is such and such that is talking about an identifiable living person who has a BLP in our encyclopedia, and if they are saying something negative about him it needs a source. No, calling him a troll on WP is not a BLP violation, but saying has struggled and failed for decades arguably is. nableezy - 19:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

His case is both interesting and troubling. As an enemy of Wikipedia, he occasionally drops by to troll us with the most uninformed, disinformed, amateurish, and innane comments that usually aren't taken seriously. His advocacy of fringe POV, such as defending Trump, casting doubt on the Mueller investigation and proven Russian interference, are forbidden WP:Advocacy, so he should be sanctioned for that, all done civilly. As an editor, he can be blocked or topic banned. It's just difficult to keep a straight face and remain totally civil when he pokes and trolls us. It's like dealing with a child who shows few signs of intelligence, but we must be patient... -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Then report him for that. nableezy - 19:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If it gets serious, I might, but so far I treat it as borderline banter and not seriously disruptive. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 21:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources on the Holocaust's effect on Zionism and the founding of Israel

Sources that are about the Holocaust specifically say nothing or next to nothing about this aspect. Nevertheless, the GA reviewer suggested to add some content about this to the Holocaust article, but I'm struggling to find sources that would be good to cite. On the off chance that you know of any I'm asking here. Thanks in advance, (t · c) buidhe 04:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Id guess Nishidani or Zero0000 would have better recommendations, but Wistrich: Israel and the Holocaust Trauma would be a decent source for an avowedly Zionist view. But Zionism predates the Holocaust, Palestine had been honed in on as the place to establish that state before the Holocaust, and like Wistrich says the major impact on Zionism was that it wiped out a huge portion of what would have been the largest source of Jewish immigrants to the new state. I think I can find sources that say it added a new imperative to it, and that it largely muted what had been some quite active Jewish anti-Zionism as groups that had been opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, for whatever reason, dropped their opposition in the face of the destruction of European Jewry. nableezy - 12:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This is constantly mentioned but en passant, perhaps also because it requires a counterfactual historiography (had the holocaust not taken place would the state of Israel have come into being?), which because it is speculative, is pointlessly unhistorical. That the holocaust was a critical factor, as opposed to a hypothetical sine qua non is, nonetheless, unchallengeable. Zionism is one of those curious things, an ideology void of a fixed ideology, consisting in an extremely pragmatic, flexible praxis, which grabs at any new idea which furthers its simple aim, and discards effortlessly notions hitherto functional when they have reached their use-by date, and this affects the ways scholars within its framing tradition approach the past. Even the holocaust was ignored until the 1980s, the premise being Zionism's 'incremental' momentum of statehood by the stealth of numbers growth (shem ha-meforash) rendered the culmination of statehood inevitable). I don't buy that: one factor always missing is that the war of 1948 was effectively decided by the massive devastation of Palestinian society and its powers of self-defense by the British Army in 1936-1939, a war which played an important role at the same time in the regularization of the Haganah along modern lines under British auspices (ignoring this allows the '48 war, particularly in the pushover destruction of Palestinian villages and the disappearance of 13,000 Palestinians, look more heroic than it was). An ideology as thin as Zionism, in any case, now has the holocaust to fill the void of its rhetoric. By 2005, Idith Zertal (Idith Zertal, Israel's Holocaust and the Politics of Nationhood, Cambridge University Press 2005 ISBN 978-0-521-85096-4) appeared at times to be virtually saying Israel's identity had become so inextricably interwoven with it that it is unimaginable otherwise. The Holocaust does now form the basso ostinato of justifications for the state of Israel, perhaps because that crime was, and remains so monstrous, that the collateral effects of 1948 (the nakba) will always look in the only opinion that counts, Western impressions, (not mine, if that need noting) trivial, petty, marginal whinging by the people who were dispossessed by it, and ironically, turned into metaphorical Jews, fellow 'Semites' who now must undergo what in Zionist myth, Jews underwent for 2,000 years, a diaspora of desperation and nostalgia.

Specifically, however, you might profit from reading (if you haven't) Abraham J. Edelheit , 'The Holocaust and the Rise of Israel: A Reassessment Reassessed,' Jewish Political Studies Review, Vol. 12, No. 1/2 (Spring 2000), pp.97-112. Though I remain unconvinced, it is far better than Wistrich. Nishidani (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit

I hope that you have been keeping well. I noticed in the Dayr Aban article, under the section "Ottoman period," where the most-recent edit there should be emended to read as follows:

In 1838, Deir Aban was noted as a Muslim village, located in the el-Arkub District, south west of Jerusalem. (End Quote)

If you'll agree to the revised edit (improvements), I'll go ahead and made the edit.Davidbena (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC) Davidbena (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Think this is fine under your AN ban which exempted things not related to the modern conflict. Anything in that article from the start of the mandate is off limits though. nableezy - 03:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!  Done. Davidbena (talk) 22:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Query about performing a GA review

Hi, Nableezy -- I don't remember interacting much with you in the past (I'm just coming off a hiatus), but I'm Vat :) I'm considering reviewing Davidbena's (ping for transparency) article at GAN, Jewish astrology, which has been waiting for an especially long time. I'm comfortable with the 'astrology' part (having been a player in a couple different disputes about related subjects), but I'm aware Davidbena is under a complex restriction around ARBPIA, and that you're his mentor in that topic area. I don't tend to touch that topic, so I'm not sure from my pre-review look over the article if there's anything there that the restriction would complicate, and Tamzin suggested I ask you. If you have the opportunity to look over it, could you see if there's anything there that might be a problem? Thanks so much for any help you could provide -- I'd really like to do a review for this article, because the complexity of both the 'fringe theories' topic area and the ARBPIA one have seen it in the backlog for so long. I won't be in a position to pick the review up instantly, so it's okay if you need some time to look it over first. Vaticidalprophet 09:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Vaticidalprophet, I see nothing there that approaches the topic he's restricted from, and hope the whole reason the convoluted topic ban exists, to allow for him to write excellent articles on these topics, is validated with another good article here :) nableezy - 16:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Improvements to References and Bibliography in article "Bayt Nattif"

Nableezy, I hope that you have been enjoying your holiday ('Eid al-Adha). Once again I turn to you, because I wish to make improvements only in the References and Bibliography sections of the article Bayt Nattif. Following the format for Jewish astrology, with your permission, I will make sure that references are in the short-style with a link directly to the Bibliography section, using this format: {{Harvnb|Guérin|1869|p=61}}. As for places where the references are the long style, I will endeavor to make them shorter (short citation), as per above, while the long and complete style moved to the Bibliography section. This will greatly enhance the Bayt Nattif article. I will not add anything to what already exists and will not divulge in political conversation, but only fix the references (each of them) so that they will have a link directly to the Bibliography section. What do you think?Davidbena (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Id stay away tbh, this is gnoming edits but in the restricted area. Sorry for the delay, been moving the last few days. nableezy - 01:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

My intent here is only to improve the general format, without engaging in anything else. This is precisely why we were put together. But if you should see this as an infringement, I'll desist.Davidbena (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I think the point of the mentorship was to get you to abide by the original AN topic ban so that the wider one could be rescinded, but gnoming in a topic area is part of that topic area. You could do those edits in the sections up to British Mandate, but touching anything from the Mandate on, even just gnoming edits, is part of the ban. nableezy - 17:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

So, would you agree that I amend the references and the Bibliography, but skip any and all authors (such as Morris and Khalidi) that have touched on the Arab-Israeli conflict? In this way, I could still improve the article without infringing on my AN topic ban, right? Editing pages with the ARBPIA tag is not really the problem, but only editing on topics or references touching on the Arab-Israeli conflict.Davidbena (talk) 20:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Well then youd have an inconsistent citation style on the page, and that should likewise be avoided. I think youd be better off looking for something else to do than this David. nableezy - 21:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, that might be true, but remember that the remaining edits can be fixed by another editor, at his/her own discretion, such as by User:Huldra. In fact, if you look at other Wikipedia pages, such as Mosaic of Rehob, the format is used there, but it does not cover 100% all references. They are more selective. I don't see this as a real problem, as the overall improvement outweighs the alternative. IMHO.Davidbena (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

David, to be totally frank, this wasnt our agreement. What was said then, and what you agreed to, was if you think something is anywhere close to the line you ask me and accept the answer. If anybody reports that some edit you made violates the existing AN topic ban and I agree, you agree to self-revert or strike or whatever is appropriate no questions asked. We can discuss after the self-reversion, but you agree to immediately rectify anything I tell you is a violation. Im telling you this is over the line. If you want to argue about it then you can edit it and deal with any editor reporting you at AE, but at that point Ill just wash my hands of this entire situation. This works for me if there isnt some argument about what I tell you with respect to your topic ban. nableezy - 22:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Nableezy, since the recent partial lifting of my topic ban, we both know that I have NOT made any edit to a page marked with the ARBPIA tag, without first receiving your permission to do so. Here, we are simply discussing the parameters of what can or cannot be done. In the final analysis, I will stand by your decision. I am simply asking your permission to by-pass all references that may be construed with the conflict, and only edit those that are pre-Mandate. Again, if you should disagree with the proposal, that's fine, and I will no longer pursue the matter. Talking about an edit is not an infringement of the conditions, per se, right? All the best.Davidbena (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

No, it is not an infringement for you to come and ask, and I am not saying youve infringed anything. Its just a bit tiresome to need to have to argue about it. Id rather not need to do that. nableezy - 05:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Removing an Ivote

I am going to AGF and presume removing this Ivote in an AFD was a mistake [1]. Even though some other editor struck the comment it needs to stay in the AFD discussion. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 18:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

No it was not a mistake, and no it does not need to stay, that vote is a violation of ARBPIA requiring extended confirmed rights to participate in project wide discussions. It had not been meaningfully replied to and ARBPIA specifies reverting ECP violations. nableezy - 18:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks. I'm obviously not familiar with ARBPIA. ---Steve Quinn (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Things like editors showing up from obvious off-wiki notifications, the rampant sockpuppetry, and the consistent gaming of our policies over decades has led to a more restrictive editing environment unfortunately. Some of those things are very obviously on display in that AFD for that matter. nableezy - 02:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding images to article

Nableezy, with your permission, I would like to add the following two images (photographs taken by me) to the Wikipedia article Khirbat al-Tannur, in the article's "Gallery" section.

1)

Stone wall in Khirbat al-Tannur

and

2)

Ruins at Khirbat al-Tannur

If you give to me the go-ahead, I will upload them to the article, with the current captions.Davidbena (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

looks fine to me. nableezy - 03:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Davidbena (talk) 02:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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Jerusalem

@Nableezy:, In the article Jerusalem, under the section of “Modern era”, I would like to add (with your permission) the following sub-section, immediately following the sub-section that reads: “Ottoman period (16th–19th centuries)”:

*Jewish immigration to Palestine*

During the reign of Sultan Bayezid II (1481 –1512), the gates of Ottoman Turkey were opened to the Jews expelled from Spain, and in the days of Sultan Selim I, they were allowed to enter the territories he conquered, including Palestine. Rabbi Moses Bassola, who visited Palestine in 1521–1522, testified that, largely due to this immigration, the Jewish community in Jerusalem grew and the deportees from Spain became the majority of the Jewish population in Jerusalem (which at that time numbered about 300 families). Another Jewish community in the Judean Mountains was in Hebron.

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References

Davidbena (talk) 14:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC) Davidbena (talk) 14:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@Davidbena: try to ask here and not at the article talk, and this is fine. nableezy - 14:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

The bit about a few families settling in Hebron is irrelevant to Jerusalem. Nishidani (talk) 14:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, but also irrelevant to if its covered by his topic ban. nableezy - 14:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. The next time I'll only post the requested edit to your Talk-Page. I will not add anything about Hebron, but, for the record, here we're taking about Hebron during the reign of the Ottoman Sultan Selim I. Cheers.Davidbena (talk) 02:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, David. I (re)wrote the Hebron article over a decade ago. When I first found it, there was zero information on the Arab history of the town, with everything focused on Jewish settlement. The Ottoman development is already covered, so this is not 'keeping stuff out for a POV'. And the delicacy over Arbpia is that early Jewish settlement is used to establish, particularly in settler historical accounts, the right to ownership, and the right to eviction of Arabs. The way the Ottoman history is read and promoted makes out that such facts form the warrant for what has happened there since (most recently by stuffing the place with Tibetan-Burman tribesmen). The only way to keep you out of trouble is to ensure that the lines are not blurred. It may look harsh, but it's in your best interests. What you should do is form a work page with all the material that is ambiguous in this sense, and retain it in draft until the time when the Arbs review your work and, I hope, loosen the strictness.Nishidani (talk) 07:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Nishidani. That is why I seek permission before adding any edit whatsoever to pages bearing the ARBPIA tag. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit on the "Achziv" Wikipedia page

@Nableezy:, again, with your permission, I wish to make a short but pertinent addition to the article Achziv, at the end of the section "Iron Age." The addition will change the last sentence (which is already redundant) to read as follows:

"Prior to the Assyrian invasion of Achziv under Sennacherib, in the late 8th-century BCE, Achziv and Akko belonged to the king of Sidon, and were considered Hittite territory.

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Davidbena (talk) 22:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thats fine, nableezy - 22:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Davidbena (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit in the article al-Midya

Nableezy, asalam aleikum. With your permission, I wish to make a historical addition to the Wikipedia page al-Midya, in the section that reads: History. I wish to add the following paragraph, and which is to be placed directly before the current last paragraph:

The ancient village of Modiʿin / Modiʿuth, described in the Madaba Map as Μωδεειμ, Mōdeeim, and once the dwelling place of the Hasmoneans, is thought to have been preserved in its Arabicised form al-Midya., and which village originally occupied the site (now Khirbet er-Râs) directly to its south-east. In the Madaba Map, the site is marked by two towers having a single entranceway, and reads in Greek uncials: "Modiʿim, today Modʿitha, whence came the Maccabees."

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Davidbena (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

looks fine to me David, nableezy - 02:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Nableezy. I have added the short edit.Davidbena (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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