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Putting the smile back on my face…literally

Thanks, Nableezy :) -- Avi (talk) 05:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem Avi, and it is nice knowing people say the same thing about you as they do about me (though perhaps with less cause in your case). Take care, nableezy - 06:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

AE

This sucks and no I am not super happy about this. I am making a report at AE due to your recent behavior. I don't even want to talk about it further since I feel the guys over there can make up there own mind. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#nableezy Cptnono (talk) 06:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Why do you have to write like that? What does "super happy" mean? Feel free to not respond. nableezy - 06:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

In Pacific Northwest English we sometimes use a hedge adverb to be polite. So rather than telling you that he is less than happy, which itself conceals the full extent of his displeasure, Cptnono has told you that he is less than "super (extra) happy", which is still technically true but gives a wider range. So he is shielding the full extent of his displeasure to spare your (sensitive, Midwestern) feelings. At least that's my Vancouver read on it. Sometimes I have trouble deciphering Seattle English. --JGGardiner (talk) 09:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I've said "super" all over the U.S., so I don't know about that. I'll recognize someone from the PNW when he calls an article "dank." Mackan79 (talk) 09:20, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice, JGGardiner. Add a little note on sarcasm in the tone and you are right on. We do have good shit here but I'm more a fan of the hops. Here's to a 1rr restriction and nothing more. (ie I think you have something coming, deservedly so, but am not hoping for a ban; as I have a sip.)Cptnono (talk) 10:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It construes to me like a form of adynaton, with an initial ecphonesis inflected by meiosis, that, in sum, disguises a dysphemistic vernacular idiom of the type: 'I'm pissed off'. That is acceptable, but the epanalepsis involved in the reiterated 'this', whose denotation is unclear in initial and final positions, means the whole sentence, despite its rhetorical sophistication, is meaningless (much as this comment might appear to be).Nishidani (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It "constures" to you does it? Please learn more about the terminology you randomly inserted into your statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.213.118.31 (talk) 02:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated matter, I think they're looking for some volunteers to set up an extensive set of disambiguation pages for the Letter position dyslexia article which or may not already exist...hard to tell. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

AP

Please note I have listed File:General Zia-ul-Haq.jpg for deletion due to its Associated Press watermark. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 05:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It has a valid fair-use rationale, there is no problem with using it. nableezy - 05:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Baermann Steiner

On December 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franz Baermann Steiner, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

No time for pansy-viewing this afternoon,son

Well, it's all your fault. You've got your work cut out for you now, old chum, after you made me black ink the only red link in this page with a stub on the book! Why'd we ever get sucked into this? Jeezus, son, I'm permabanned. Stuff it!Nishidani (talk) 15:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Well done, though I had hoped to actually contribute to this one. And you really should blame JGG for all this, it was his idea for the first article, then you, on your own mind you, made the Salus article. But it is nice watching you put an article together. In the space of a few weeks, combining the three articles, you added about as much information as it took me a year to do on al-Azhar. (You, and Tiamut, are also responsible for that one; I wanted to see if I could write an article using nothing but books for sources after seeing how you two work). nableezy - 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

(Well I think we've done the stub. Others can mess about with it. No point pressing on, though there's huge amounts that could be done, since this only arose casually, mand may not be in your area of interest. The concept of taboo, though, is one worth mastering, since it opens keys to all sorts of things, in life, and thought. Mary Douglas, and Victor Turner, who we haven't mentioned, developed some great insights from, it, (read The Ritual process and, with Erving Goffman's studies, you can along Steinerian lines open up ripe reflections on the way the real world (dys)functions. Still, that's all private Bildung)Nishidani (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hold on a minute there. Nish brought up the idea for the article first[1] and I quickly called "not it".[2]. Looking it over, the real shirkers here are Slrubenstein and Slim Virgin who were nominated for the work but didn't lift a finger. I may have had a bit too much to drink this past week because I got one of those boxes that said I "created or substantially expanded" the article and I don't remember doing either. But I'm happy to know that I did my bitte. --JGGardiner (talk) 19:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Uggghhh. Blame Canada, blame Canada (it's not even a real country anyway). nableezy - 20:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

He's a master of the delicate prevarication. We must get him to start an article on the Ars pigrandi or 'Art of bludging'. Here we were, slaving at the mill, thinking of taboos (and pansies), and he was on the tiles in a weekshlong binge, that ended, if that silent French pun of his about doing his bitte, with some shaggy company in the sack. Still, ya have to give it to them Western Canucks, they trump Pinocchio in the art of prevarication! Is there an article on cunctator tactics? Perhaps we could get him to lead us to draft one, since he displays a mastery of them that attests to a considerable depth of knowledge of the Roman military strategies of Quintus Fabius Maximus, uh, . .warts and all.Nishidani (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Well I really must cut back; I don't remember making that pun at all. You know, Minucius thanked Fabius for rescuing him from his own haste. On the other hand I've obviously come to late to save you two from your own Geronium. Or Cannae might be the better analogy given recent discoveries. I actually did have a boyhood fascination with Scipio. I liked the simplicity of Zama in merely letting the lumbering elephants pass. That one happens to be true.

But seriously good work on the article. I'd nominate you both for the barnstar of Bohemian anthropology but it doesn't seem to exist. --JGGardiner (talk) 06:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

JG. I won't bore you with a long story, but aged 8, when I stumbled on Roman history, I always identified with Hannibal, Spartacus, and whoever else got a bad press from the Imperial historians.Nishidani (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I didnt do anything on either of these, I sent Nishidani a few reviews before I went to sleep and when I woke up he was done. nableezy - 07:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Look you guys, anyone can do what, given circs and the usual problems, look like minor miracles here, all over wiki, but esp. in the late lamented 'Zone of Emptiness' (Shinkû Chitai:真空地帯, see Noma Hiroshi) where all things are hazes and mazes because of bad faith editing. All you need is a little help from your friends, a decently amicable working environment, a few guiding spirits looking over your shoulder (User:NSH001), a nudge here and there, and email or two giving access to sources. That's why this was collective, because there was a spirit of fun and curiosity, and no haggling, paranoid atmosphere. Thanks to both of you. And Nab, don't estimate the effect, at least on someone like myself, of seeing template formatting pass like a daemonic spirit over the 'tohubohu' of a raggedy draft, endowing rough notes with some elegance. If we could get more teamsmanship working to create an atmosphere amenable to rapid composition, this place would take off. Nishidani (talk) 07:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

ps.before I really do go, since this experience with the anthropological section's been a happy one, I'd like to make at least a GA, where I'm allowed to, and I have in mind either the Tikopia or the Barasana, probably the latter because it's an orphan, a pathetic stub about a people whose ethnography has been thoroughly studied, before end the end of this year. I hope Neil and you guys can provide the same atmosphere, if I do get the time to work on one of them. I lack photographic stuff on the Barasana, (few templates required), so if in the meantime that can be scouted for, it'd be great. CheersNishidani (talk) 11:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

There's another foreign language WP article for you us to start with.[3] How's your Spanish? The Portuguese one is just a single sentence unfortunately. --JGGardiner (talk) 17:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for that, JG. Spanish is no problem, just a dialect of Italian really. Much better than the distressing stub on the English page. One could start with it, but I've a mind to do the full monty on this one because Stephen and Christine Hugh-Jones's 2 books have always languished on my shelves after I read them, and every now and again, as I look at that section, I think, 500 pages of dense material on a culture shared by a few hundred people, splendidly detailed, with extraordinary images and concepts, and hardly no one knows about them, except the loggers who kill them, the bible thumpers out to destroy their rich cosmology with the truth, as they did everywhere (Tikopia, above. Firth's book has 470 odd pages on its rituals, which were dropped and forgotten when the elders converted). I've a dozen yellowing pages of notes, but I'll reread both, along with a few other contiguous sources, and do a fairly extensive draft, ulcer permitting, and bang it in so we can work it up to quality. On this, what mainly worries me is that we may need some technical stuff, like diagrams, or a map of the area where they live. These are in my books, but I don't have a scanner. I hope we can get someone who can do diagrams (triangles and stuff to show things like affine/agnate relations, etc.,), if I actually set down to the project. My world's a bit untidy at the moment, so I just thought I'd ask for pics, maps and diagram-drawing talents without burdening you two overly, since it's only a personal whim. Thanks again.Nishidani (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: caring

Thank you for your note on my talk page. I've tried to excuse a lot of the terminology Ani medjool uses, because its obvious his/her knowledge of English is limited; and, speaking more than one language myself, I'm certainly guilty of having used terms/phrases that have a completely different connotation to a "native speaker". That said, it difficult to include someone in a discussion when their comments seem to stoke the fire more than help provide a solution. Thank you again for your note. Regards --nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 03:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks

..for the link to the mr. Hicks case. I am not surprised, Isarig did socking before: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Isarig

Anyway, I have been away from wp a while (broke my right hand,:( )...and soon I will be traveling again. I don`t expect to do much on wp until early next year , Take care, Huldra (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Question

Have you seen The Visitor? I just saw it, and thought of you for some reason. IronDuke 03:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Have not. Ill check it out before deciding whether or not this was an insult that I should take to AE or a compliment. nableezy - 06:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol. You can even take it as a compliment and still take it to AE, if you like. But yes, do check it out. IronDuke 23:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Good movie, thanks for that. Though I am left wondering if you are just waiting for me to be deported. nableezy - 03:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Waiting? You've got me all wrong, friend. I've been making weekly calls to Homeland Security. "That's right, Officer. It's pronounced 'Nah-BLEE-zee.'" And yet nothing happens. They're worse than arbcom. (Glad you enjoyed the movie, though.) IronDuke 03:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Theres your problem, your stuck on the ground floor talking to "officers". You need agents and commanders and directors to bring me down. Ill give you a few pointers. Step 1: make a recording from Team America with somebody saying "jihad jihad, makha makha, jihad jihad" as the audio and a shadowy figure in front of my flag. Step 2: leak it to a reputable news organization. Step 3: Send an anonymous tip from a pay phone in Chicago that you saw the flag (I wont tell you where you saw it, but think "good guys wear black"). Step 4: watch. nableezy - 05:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Okay, I concede. Nice. IronDuke 00:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I have a teenage cousin in the States who made the mistake of joking about wanting to see Bush dead when he was still President. Got picked up for a few days not too long thereafter by some guys in black. Another cousin in her 30s got taken into immigration jail for a few months when local police at a DUI checkpoint noticed her green card had expired, even though she's been living in the States since she was six and was born in Canada. Fun being an Arab in the States these days. Makes living in Israel as one seem to be not so bad actually. ;) Tiamut^talk 13:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Really sorry to hear about your family's troubles. It's an unfortunate era, in many ways. What ended up happening to your first cousin? And have you seen the above movie? If not, I think you would like it. IronDuke 21:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

was released with some verbal warnings against engaging in such black humor again. was under 18 at the time and we were shocked by the response. needless to say, it was not long after 9/11. others in my extended family have experienced similar things in this "unfortunate era", both in the americas and here in nazareth. i'll try to find a copy, though the pickings are slim here when it comes to good rental stores. Tiamut^talk 08:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad things weren't any grislier. Guess you don't get Netflix there? IronDuke 00:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

There was one part of the movie that I took issue with, and Tiamut might shock me by saying otherwise, but I do not think that under any circumstance a Palestinian woman would call some random white guy she has known for one week "habibi". nableezy - 21:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

perhaps sarcastically ;) ... don't know nableezy ... it really depends on the context, how long she's been living in the states, how old she is, how in/experienced, etc, etc. i'd have to see the film to let you know if the way its said there is realistic or not, IMO. Tiamut^talk 08:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Habibi can surely drift effortlessly from the primary sense of intimate endearment to casual fondness, with a semantic overture towards amicability? I've always had in mind the way establishment Englishmen, of a social register noted for its coolness, esp. those in the world of entertainment, can call people (interviewers, often men) they've just met 'darling' (Richard Attenborough's use of this comes to mind). In pubs all over the Commonwealth, where lower-class regional traditions still survive, barmaids will address newcomers as 'love', without any innuendo of amorous intent. A week's a long time in the modern world. But then again (I haven't seen the film) there's a lot of physical intimacy between one-night standers who otherwise maintain a certain formal impersonality in their language afterwards, or is that afterwords? Nishidani (talk) 10:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Fatuous comment really, Nishidani, in assuming vernacular conventions in an imperial metropolis can throw light on linguistic usage in another civilization. It wholly ignores the radical differences in male/female interactions operate respectively in the two worlds, for example.Nishidani (talk) 12:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I think, if you see the movie, the term of endearment is justified, considering what the protagonist has done. I also seem to recall (though I may misremember) that the term can be used in roughly the same way someone would say "baby" in the US. That is, a term of special endearment, but also sometimes more offhandedly. IronDuke 00:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

For people raised out here in the states yeah, but thats usually because they know three Arabic words (sharmuta forgive me Tiamut habibi, and salam). I dont know how it is for Palestinians, but in my country the term is usually reserved for talking to little kids and loved ones. nableezy - 01:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for Enforcement

Hello. Just a brief note to mention that I filed an arbitration enforcement that relates to you. See here. I regret that it came to this, especially given that we were at the end of the day both on the same side of the issue at the AfD. But as you know from my comments at the AfD, I was troubled by what I viewed as willful flouting of topic bans, and related editing activity. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

This has already been dealt with and my topic ban does not include AfDs. What dont you understand about that? nableezy - 16:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I have left a reply at Wp:ae. please keep me posted. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Just a note to mention that I'm not ignoring you. It's just that I've left my thoughts on the subject at the wp:ae, including as you know a direct reference and diff to that AE--I've not ignored it. I don't know that I've much to add at this point, but in the event that your question was not rhetorical, I didn't want to ignore it.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I dont really care. I dont feel capable of replying to you without letting you know what I think of you, and if I were to do that I would likely be blocked for violations of NPA and CIVIL. So lets just leave it at that and you can kindly leave this page alone. nableezy - 19:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ref fix

Cheers. Please let me know if there are more maintenance edits you are prevented from making. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 00:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

wa inta salam

thanks nableezy. hope you get to enjoy the holidays too. Tiamut^talk 20:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays/Your troublesome behavior

I'm pretty sure your comment at Gaza War was a violation of your topic ban. I'd take it up with Arbitration Enforcement but it just seems like a lot of work. I was thinking maybe you'd be willing to write up a request though? I'd do it myself but I have some holiday stagulation planned. --JGGardiner (talk) 09:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Your help is needed

Nableezy, you said before on my takpage that if I would continue with the arbitration you would not get involved, and I am now asking you to reconsider this.

10 days ago I asked Ameer for help and he ignored me, but that was for the best. I need someone who can be actively involved. What I would like to do is collaborate on the article with you. I would like to present several points of correction at the talkpage with sources, and then you could carry out the appropriate changes according to what the sources are saying and wikipedia rules. And if you do this, I would like you to watch the article and be active the same way you watch and is active on Palestinian articles.

No "mediation" between me and someone else, but collaboration on the talkpage between editors - me and you, Can you do this with me? The arbitration did not help with much and I don't know what else to do. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I am watching the article, and if sources are presented I will look at them. I do not plan on spending a whole lot of time looking for sources though, but if you show what the problems are with sources I will try to help, though I will make up my own mind about what the sources do and do not support. nableezy - 20:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Of course, I'm gonna present the sources and show how I believe things should be but its totally up to you to decide your edits. Thank you. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I have now added 7 things to the talkpage: [4] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Where are you?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Chill, I got other things on my mind right now, I'll look at it. nableezy - 18:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nableezy. Please ignore the above request by SD. It is a direct violation of SD's ban to recruit another editor per Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Editing_on_behalf_of_banned_users, especially because the requested edits concern the Egyptian vs Syrian ethnicity from which SD is banned. I have initiated a block request against SD for these violations. — CactusWriter | ^needles 14:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I dont quite think so, I would not be proxying for SD. But if SD shows sources that demonstrate errors on the page I may, of my own will, make the needed edits. That is not editing on his behalf. nableezy - 15:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

A review at ANI affirmed the conclusion that SD is attempting to stretch the boundaries of the ban -- in essence, violating the spirit -- and has violated the sanctions. A brief 12hr block has been given as well as a second admonishment (after mine from last week) for SD to stay away from Asmahan. It is hoped that the brief block will get SD's attention so that edit wars and further sanctions will not occur. I am not questioning any edits which you undertake of your own volition -- the article certainly needs some care and attention from neutral editors after the several months of POV warring. Good luck with it. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 17:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yom Kippur War

Hi Nab. You and I have in the past worked well together and I respect your views and opinions (though I do not necessarily agree with all of them). For the record, I do not object to Egyptian sources. On the contrary, since Egypt was one of three main belligerents, the article would be lacking if it did not include an Egyptian viewpoint. What I object to is the inclusion of sources that are not written in English and Sherif seems to rely heavily on these. I tried to verify the accuracey of the paraphrasing and could not because I can not read Arabic or Russian (sources cited by Sherif). This is to the article's detriment. In any event, I intend to add sources of my own when I overhaul this article including Martin van Creveld, Edward Luttwak, Zeev Schiff and Chaim Herzog among many others to add diversity and perspective. I hope that you and I can cooperate in this ambitious undertaking as we have in the past. Warmest regards,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. Wiki policy on non-English sources is quite clear. They are to be avoided and may be included only when non-English sources are not available. Obviously, lots of English sources covering the war (including those providing exhaustive coverage of the Egyptian campaign) are available. Therefore, the non-English sources cited by Sherif not within Wiki guidelines.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I have a question for you. You rejected a proposed edit by me on the Arafat article claiming that Regnery Publishing was not an RS. In the same breadth you accept Hammad's book published by "Dār al-Shurūq." Can you please explain to me why you'd regard this publisher to be an RS. I look forward to your response. Respectfully,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Tiamut had suggested that "peer review" is a criteria and suggested this as a basis for rejecting Regnery Publishing. Any "per review" for Dār al-Shurūq? Best,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Please indulge me a bit further. If little is known about the publisher or the publishing house, partly due to lack of peer review, can we consider it an RS for Wiki standards. Best,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you know any good sources on muqawama?

Or anything about muqawama as a concept or as movements, particularly in Egypt but also elsewhere, that might help find info on google about groups with that name? I'm working on an article in user space at User:Tiamut/muqawama since there seem to be many misconceptions as to what the word means and how it used and by whom. Any help you can offer would be appreciated. Tiamut^talk 19:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Ill look, a quick search on JSTOR and Project MUSE gives some results that may be useful:

• Harb, Mona; Leenders, Reinoud (2005). "Know Thy Enemy: Hizbullah, 'Terrorism' and the Politics of Perception". Third World Quarterly. 26 (1). Taylor & Francis, Ltd.: 173–197.
• Meijer, Roel (Winter, 2005). "The Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq". Middle East Report (237). Middle East Research and Information Project: 12–19. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Beinin, Joel (Feb., 1989). "Labor, Capital, and the State in Nasserist Egypt, 1952-1961". International Journal of Middle East Studies. 21 (1). Cambridge University Press: 71–90. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• El-Hokayem, Emile (Sprin 2007). "Hizballah and Syria: Outgrowing the Proxy Relationship". The Washington Quarterly. 30 (2). The MIT Press: 35–52. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Ill see what else I can find. Ill enable my email for a bit, send me one so that I can send you these as pdfs. nableezy - 20:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yay! I found a little bit in Rashid Khalidi about the first muqawama in Palestine (learned something new too, which is always great). Its hard to find good scholarly sources, rather than propaganda sources on this subject, so I'm thrilled you have access to JSTOR. I'll email you right away. Thanks Nableey. Tiamut^talk 20:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you...

... for reverting the vandalism to my User page.

By the way, I haven't forgotten about Al-Azhar Mosque. I've been very busy IRL and I'll get to it as soon as I can.

Happy new year. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, no worries, and happy new year to you and yours as well. Take care Malik, nableezy - 22:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip.

Awesome, thanks for the tip. I had tried several different coding formats in the past, and none of them had worked for me. Regards, --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 21:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)