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Meet the Press

Okay... seriously? Click here and let's have a look at Meet the Press's home page.

Note that the name of the show given in the heading, the "About us" section, the page's title, the transcript for the last two shows (here and here), the show details for the last two shows (here and here), as well as press releases related to Gregory's becoming the moderator. They all say the show's name is "Meet the Press". At no point, ANYWHERE in the text, does the show get identified as "Meet the Press with David Gregory". If you plan on arguing that the logo reads "Meet the Press with David Gregory", consider that, based on the fact that this particular phrase appears nowhere else on the web site, that it's simply a title card that identifies the moderator's name. In other words, it's "Meet the Press", with David Gregory. Even the logo image's alternate text reads "Meet the Press".

In the future, please do some basic research before aruging something so very easily proven to be untrue. It wastes everybody's time. Thanks. Warren -talk- 16:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright, it is not my intention to be mean and hostile, but you just opened a big can of worms with this.

First of all, you live in Canada. For all I can tell, you probably do not have Meet the Press where you live, let alone watch it. Secondly unlike you, I don’t go around editing articles I have absolutely no knowledge about. I actually watch the show on Sundays. When Tim Russert was still alive, the show AND ARTICLE was called “Meet the Press with Tim Russert.” When he died, it was temporality called “Meet the Press.” Finally when the new permanent moderator was named, everything changed, Buddy. The title card that is shown the moment the show goes on air every Sunday morning. That is the same title card that is shown on this article. The website, which is also the link you provided me. ALL OF THEM say “Meet the Press with David Gregory.” At the very beginning of the show, the announcer say “From NBC News in Washington, this is Meet the Press with David Gregory.” Third, the “about us” section, and all those links that you provided me, those are not relevant sources. I don’t know where on earth you got that idea.

You really think you can just go to any article you wish and put whatever you can pull out of your rear. You are no better than those obnoxious vandals who go around putting a bunch of nonsense on any wikipedia article for nothing more than pure amusement. I’m not a fan of David Gregory, but at least I will put credit where credit is due, unlike you who wishes to cause controversy. You tell me to do “some basic research before aruging something so very easily proven to be untrue. It wastes everybody's time.” No offense, I look at that statement, and I laugh my butt off. Everything considered, you really made yourself look very unintelligent with that last remark. Knowing that you have a history of run-ins with other wikipedia editors who have a bone to pick with you, why the heck should I listen to a word you say. Why don’t all of us reputable editors a favor, and do some REAL research before making yourself look like a particular part of a donkey in front of everybody.

On and one last thing, Merry Christmas. S3884h (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow... I'm astounded that you have the gumption to come to my talk page and lie straight to my face, while asserting that somehow because my user page identifies me as Canadian, I'm not qualified to edit (or even know about) a topic. You need to understand a few things:

1) Meet the Press is broadcast in Canada on NBC, as it is in the United States (TV Guide Canada listings for Sunday morning). MSNBC is also available in Canada on top-tier cable and satellite offerings (Rogers, e.g.). It's also available from MSNBC's web site (and via iTunes) as a podcast, and yes, that podcast is available in Canada. There also used to be a MSNBC Canada which broadcast Meet the Press.

2) Me personally, I've been watching Meet the Press on and off since 2000. After watching Russert's role in covering the 2000 Presidential Election, I decided I wanted to follow this guy some more. By the time 2008 started I was watching every week, and I watched MSNBC's coverage of Russert's death in its entirety.

3) But now the important thing as far as Wikipedia is concerned: Neither of #1 or #2 matter, because Wikipedia operates on the principle of reliable sources and verifiability, not stupid things like whether or not you're from the "correct" country or are "qualified" to write on a topic. Newspaper archives and the Internet have plenty of historical and analytical information about Meet the Press, and ((I can't believe I have to tell anyone this)) we get precisely the same Internet in Canada as we do in the United States (modulo advertising), and our newspapers routinely report on United States news, and on things that have taken place on Meet the Press and other Sunday morning political talk shows.

4) The edit history of "Meet the Press with Tim Russert" shows pretty clearly that at no time has it ever been anything other than a redirect to Meet the Press. The move log for "Meet the Press" pretty clearly shows that the article was never called "Meet the Press with Tim Russert". That name has been used in the Infobox, but it's been incorrect all this time. It happens.

5) NBC, in their press releases and transcripts, pretty much always refer to the show as "Meet the Press", regardless of who was moderator at the time. There are occasional uses of "Meet the Press with Tim Russert" as a show name, but those are few and far between, and are vastly outnumbered by the number of references to the show being titled "Meet the Press".

6) The MSNBC web site is very clear in that the name of the show is "Meet the Press". You're outright lying when you assert that it says "Meet the Press with David Gregory". You know you're lying. I know you're lying. I can produce screenshots that back up what I'm saying; you can't. I wouldn't be making this assertion if I couldn't prove I'm right.

7) The reason, the -only- reason I get into a lot of arguments with people is because there are quite a number of people who come to Wikipedia to push their pet causes or to cause trouble, and really take a great deal offense when they get push-back on that. It's part of the drudgery of being a regular editor across a wide variety of articles, something that, let's face it, you don't have much experience with. Your contributions to the Deal Or No Deal articles are great and well appreciated by all, but that work, and a dozen edits on the Meet the Press article is very nearly the sum total of your editing experience here. Then there's me -- I've edited about 5,000 different pages on Wikipedia; you're at 124.

8) I'd love to hear the line of sound, logical reasoning that can equate an editor who in three years has made over 17,000 edits to 5,000 pages, has never been blocked, has had articles they've worked become some of the encyclopedia's most commonly-read pages, and has been a supporter and insistent enforcer of Wikipedia's content policies, with being a "vandal". What a hoot.

Oh, and don't think that this edit of yours where you changed the lead sentence of the Sarah Palin article to add "who I want to have hot passionate anal sex with", the day before the 2008 Presidential Election, hasn't gone unnoticed. Between that and your assertions that what a television's own web site says the name of the show is not relevant... is this a a sign of the quality of contributions you plan on bringing to the encyclopedia in the future? Because frankly, we'd be better off without. Warren -talk- 20:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Uhh, what?S3884h (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

If that's the best you can do for a response, then please, do the encyclopedia a favour and stop edit-warring on Meet the Press. What you're doing at this point is engaging in vandal-like behaviour and edit warring. Consider this an official warning -- it must stop. Continued behaviour along these lines will result in your being blocked from editing the encyclopedia, and I'm pretty sure that's not the goal you have in mind here. Warren -talk- 07:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Numerous references have been provided on Talk:Meet The Press to document the title as "Meet The Press." You've reverted both User:Warren's edit and mine (adding an additional reference) without providing justification, additional references, or contributing to the talk page. Are you willing to work towards Wikipedia:Consensus or do we need to move to one of the dispute resolution processes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerardw (talk • contribs) 14:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I just took a look at your edit log. The two items you seem to focus your energy the most on, Meet the Press and Windows, those are the exact same as Warren’s. Now it’s being crystal clear to me, you are a fake and a disgrace, Warren. I can only imagine how many other sockpuppets you have.S3884h (talk) 15:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)