User talk:Murry1975/Archive4

Limerick Climnate Edit

On the article for Limerick, you removed Republic of Ireland and just used Ireland instead. In most cases this would be fine, except that Limerick is the cloudiest city in the Republic, but in all of Ireland, its sunnier than most of Northern Ireland, including Derry, Armagh and Lisburn. --109.255.123.192 (talk) 17:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Please read WP:IMOS, the primary subject is Limerick in Ireland (state), not on the island, as with articles to do with populated places.Murry1975 (talk) 13:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Pink Floyd

Hi Murrey, The Australian Pink Floyd are recognized my Pink Floyd and David Gilmour had them play at his Birthday party. I agree tribute acts are in many cases just "tributes" but The Australian Pink Floyd are much bigger than other tribute bands in the world today. Queen have their own tribute show called "Queen Extravaganza" too. Maybe is this was worded correctly, could I get your support?

How about "Pink Floyd courted The Australian Pink Floyd to play a concert at David Gilmour's 50th Birthday party. They since went on to become the most successful tribute show to any original act." — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnThorne64 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry John, its just a tribute act, yes Gilmour had them play at his birthday and maybe they are good, but do they relly warrant a mention in the influences and awards setion? No. They have there own article on wiki, but as a stand alone block qoute in the Floyd article, sorry bud, tryto angle it in to another section, which might be more appropriate. Murry1975 (talk) 05:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Murrey, I'll give that a go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.71.191 (talk) 19:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for catching this, Murry. Just assumed it was the usual POV vandalism. That'll teach me not to click on the article first. Cheers, — JonC^ॐ 14:37, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem Jon, I only realised when I clicked on the link and was redirected. Maybe someone with a good knowledge of Northern Irish music might try to write an artcile someday and then we would have somewhere to link it to. But to my limited knowledge in the area, there isnt much difference between it and music on the rest of the island (like so many other things). Murry1975 (talk) 08:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thanks your reverting the vandalism on my User page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Callenec, it was no problem. Murry1975 (talk) 12:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Ambiguity

Hey Murry,

Firstly, "unambiguous" was what I was going for in my edit summary - not "inambiguous"! Probably a typo!

Anyway, thank you for your second edit summary, in which you corrected from 'vandalism' to 'good faith': much appreciated. :)

On to the matter itself: Ireland is an island. It is also a name by which the governing authority refers to itself as. However, this causes a conflict. As a person who apparently holds logic in high esteem, I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this. It is not clear, to many people throughout the world, what is meant by "Ireland". Unless you are from there (and even then, there can often be confusion), usually the context is not understood. I think in this case, whereby the subject of education is a governmental and state-specific, and whereby the system does not concern a wider jurisdiction of the whole of the island of Ireland, the more unambiguous title should be given to the country.

Otherwise, people (mostly people not from that region of the world) will make an incorrect assumption. A link to the more relevant article is not enough: I doubt most people would hover their mouse over the link or click on it to find out what "Ireland" is. After all, most people (think they) know, right? --173.93.239.247 (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheers thanks for the message, but the list is of states, not islands or geographic regions, if the list combined these then yes there would be a need to do this. As you point out "whereby the subject of education is a governmental and state-specific" there should be no confusion. What incorrect assumption? The name of the state, long, short, and common is Ireland. There maybe an island with the same name but as it is not a list of islands there should be no confusion.

As for the rollback, using a tackpad, it doesnt do what I want always, was trying to agf-roll hit the wrong one. Murry1975 (talk) 14:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm getting at. I have a lot of experience with peoples' perceptions in this matter, and I can tell you that outside (and even within) the British Isles, people get confused and assume that "Ireland" applies to the whole of the island.

It is, of course, logical to assume that, and that was the purpose when the constitution of the Republic of Ireland was drawn up.

In that sense then, there will be an incorrect assumption made that the jurisdiction of the Republic reaches across the whole of the island of Ireland, which it obviously doesn't.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but the Republic of Ireland Act later provided for the use of Republic of Ireland in such situations whereby confusion may arise. The government of that territory uses the name Republic of Ireland in many of its internal and external communications and legal documents.

The use of "Ireland" to describe the Republic of Ireland isn't actually particularly commonly used in Northern Ireland. Not as commonly used in every-day speech as other names such as "the twenty-six counties" (often used by Republicans), "the Free State" still used by many people, including some Republicans, "the South" or "down South" used by many people across the spectrum. To many people in Northern Ireland, referring to "Ireland" as a state when standing in Ireland seems a bit strange. When abroad, people from Northern Ireland variously suggest they are from "Ireland" (meaning the island), "Northern Ireland", "Ulster" (a province in Ireland) or "the UK", depending on the context. In order to differentiate between people from Northern Ireland and people from "the South", many will use the name "Republic of Ireland".

Such a differentiation is needed when discussing the education system of the Republic, which differs somewhat from that of the rest of Ireland. --173.93.239.247 (talk) 20:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

A few things the Republic of Ireland Act never has mentioned the need to use anything else as the name of the state in English other than Ireland. The Gobernment only refers to the state as either "The State" or "Ireland" in all legal documents. What ever a number of people, as you point out in this case, from Northern Ireland, refer to the state as can be seen as point of view. These issues and others relating to the name of the state have been discussed at both WP:IECOLL and WP:IMOS on many an occasion. I am well aware of some peoples distain that the state has the same name as the island, but the fact of the matter is it does. It is the states legal name, common name, long form name and short form name a fact that lends itself to the usage in most cases. Education is state based, the needed to disambiguate with the descripton, as it is needed for the article itself, would be purely POV. Murry1975 (talk) 10:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Um, what does IMOS indicate if someone was born in the Irish Free State? I updated Edna O'Brien's infobox. Quis separabit? 19:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Read the discussion Robert. We link the artcile on the state. Murry1975 (talk) 19:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles/Archive_5#Irish_free_state_Country_of_Birth.3F the link bud. Murry1975 (talk) 19:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

:::: I checked WP:IECOLL and WP:IMOS, and didn't see any reference to the IFS. If and when you are free and have the chance could you point it out. Thanks, Quis separabit? 19:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Have linked to the discussion. Above. Cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the specific hyperlink. I checked it out but don't find any formal or overwhelming WP:IMOS agreement, just an unofficial "Pax Hibernica". Maybe I missed something. Yours, Quis separabit? 19:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the lovely and very timely welcome! I just created my user page, and you welcomed me within 6 hours. Impressive, and a very nice way for me to get started here. Thank you!

Turnofphrase (talk) 06:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Odeon

Hi Murry1975, I've left you a message [1]. I can not find the guideline you are referring to.Factocop (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Replied and suggest a discussion at IMOS. Murry1975 (talk) 18:12, 12 September 2012 (UTC)