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Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution

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This is odd. What Muboshgu did is the standard procedure for re-directed players to the minor league pages. There is no issue here.--Yankees10 04:03, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Right. We use those "minor league player" pages as incubation sites for players who are "semi-notable"; they're of interest, and many will become notable, but they don't yet meet WP:BASE/N or WP:GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I understand that, but our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License requires attribution. The prose at Pittsburgh Pirates minor league players has many authors, and the CC-by-SA license requires that they be attributed. At a minimum, we are supposed to mention in the edit summary at the destination article where we got the content. There's more information on this topic at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 16:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I will take a look at that, share it with the other authors, and ensure proper attribution going forward. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Diannaa: So if i'm understanding this correctly we should be putting something such as "copied from Pittsburgh Pirates minor league players" in the edit summary when un-redirecting?--Yankees10 17:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes. That is correct. I usually use the format "Attribution: Content in this article was moved here from example on July 31, 2016. Please see the history of that page for attribution." There's also an optional template {{copied}}, which is usually used if the copying is extensive. You can have a look at the talk page Talk:Methoni Castle for an example of how to use it. — Diannaa (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok that sounds fair. Thanks.--Yankees10 17:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Retired Brigadier General Don Bacon page

Please stop deleting information for the page for retired Brigadier General Don Bacon. You have repeatedly claimed that the format violates Wikipedia policy and that the content is not sourced. However, you are overlooking several key facts:

1. The content is sourced in the same manner as multiple military biographical pages (at the bottom). You can find all of this information on his official military biography page which is included in the external links at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

2. Your opinion of what constitutes a "biography" is not the definitive answer as to what actually constitutes a biography. The education, assignments, flight information, and awards sections match the standard formatting found on most Air Force biographies. If this represents such a significant problem, I would suggest taking it up with the personnel who handle the style guides for the DOD. In addition, I am guessing that the folks at Wikipedia must respect the formatting of standard military biographies as I have found countless other pages that are formatted in a similar manner. Before you opt to edit again, please take the time to look at other examples that I have provided here:

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Senator1776 (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

@Senator1776: Just because something is done wrong across a number of pages does not mean that should be continued on all other pages. They don't appear to follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies, the rules biographies have to adhere to. I'll have to look at the military history project's guidance on how to present biographies, but the way it is presently is unacceptable and it will be changed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

With no intended disrespect, who are you to decide that an entire style guide for biographies that is standard for a profession (in this case the military) is wrong?

On the Wikipedia page discussing biographies it states that "this guideline is a part of the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply."

There is a commonly accepted standard within the Air Force for military biographies and this format matches what each of my commanders required of people like me (I was a simple rank and file service member). Is it not "common sense" that Wikipedia would make an exception for a particular profession's style standards? If there was such a big problem, wouldn't Wikipedia be addressing this entire issue outright? This is the first time I have seen an editor be so persistent in altering a standard biography for a military leader. Wikipedia also states on their policy page that "Wikipedia does not employ hard-and-fast rules." It seems like you are trying to insert a "hard and fast rule" where none should exist. Again, please stop altering this page. Senator1776 (talk) 01:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Response to recent message regarding Dena Grayson page

Hi, this is Buckles75. You sent me the following message: "Hello, I'm Muboshgu. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Dena Grayson without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)"

The reason I undid the previous edit was that the sentence "Grayson worked as a federal lobbyist for Biocryst Pharmaceuticals since 2013." is inaccurate. She is no longer a lobbyist, and her tenure as lobbyist was incredibly short. Secondly, "[she] has not treated patients in the last ten years" is contradictory to the fact that she has actively researched cures for cancer, Ebola, and Zika during that time, and some of this research involved treating patients and at the very least was for the benefit of treating patients. I believe it's incumbent on the previous editor to provide an accurate statement that is also relatively neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckles75 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Buckles75: The better way to address those issues would be to modify the statements rather than remove them. If indeed she is no longer a lobbyist for Biocryst, the statement should be edited to say that work was in the past. I recall reading that she's not medically licensed to treat patients, so her work in the laboratory is not contradicted by that statement, though perhaps there's wording that would make clearer what she does and does not do. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Yeah I need to do that. Give me a little bit and I'll come up with something. But please feel free to come up with any of your own. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:02, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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His name is JoetheMoe25. He's not registered and has had a lot of beefs. He's make several changes to the page I find trouble, not just the revert of mine, yet again. Is this a possible back door way Sy9045 could be using? Jackhammer111 (talk) 06:54, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me. Since we are on the subject of the Ryan Lochte page and Lochtegate, I need to talk to you, Muboshgu. When you reverted edit warring on the Lochtegate article, you also reverted a grammar correction that I made, a legitimate one. I corrected a run-on sentence, but you put it back.—Bde1982 11:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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Barack Obama

My additon to Barack Obama#Syrian Civil War isn't WP:Undue. The source (Washington Post) is a sincere newspaper, I'm not using Foxnews or CNN. And it isn't WP:Recentism: The topic (Turkey and Syrian Kurdish forces fighting against each other and the U.S. strongly urging their allies, NATO-member Turkey and the Syrian Kurds to stop their silly clashes) is a grave development and can't be forgotten even if the conflict would stop right now. --Fb8cont (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

That's your opinion, and I don't agree. I don't know how much this relates to Obama's presidency at all, let alone to Obama himself. He and his presidency are two different, but highly related, subjects. Again, I recommend you bring these changes to the article talk page for consensus, since I see you were reverted a few times for the same reason before I did it. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

You say, you don't agree. Can you specify that? Do you agree or disagree, that the Washington Post is a reliable source? Do you agree or disagree that a conflict between NATO-member Turkey and the Syrian Kurdish forces who are/where the main allies of the U.S. in the fight against ISIS is a grave development? Do agree or disagree that one sentence doesn't over-represent that topic? --Fb8cont (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I was reverted only once for a textual addition to Barack Obama#Syrian Civil War. It were two sentences about Biden's visit to Anakara and the Turkish entry into the Syrian civil war. And a non-textual addition to this section that was reverted was the link "main article|Syrian civil war". It was rejected with the argument that the Syrian civil war is already linked in the text - but the other sections have theirs links despite of that.

WaPo is a reliable source. Turkey/Syria issues are important. But I don't see how they're important to the biography of Barack Obama. I'm not sure how important it is to his presidency specifically. Apparently he's about to meet with Erdoğan, so that may suggest more importance for his presidency. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

But an article about a president isn't a personal biography. It is about the political stuff he encountered. Is it Jimmy Carter's fault that the Iranian Revolution occurred during his presidency? And I think that it isn't a balanced retrospective biography either: We live in the current time and therefore current events are more important to us than past events. With reduced importance many topics will shrink in the future, Wikipedia isn't written in stone.--Fb8cont (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

For instance, the topic about Bin Laden is now much less important than in 2011, it is overrepresented in the current article. Bin Laden was only an ageing figurehead of an organization now sidelined by its much more brutal and effective spin-off. --Fb8cont (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

How about that? Ankara summoned the US ambassador on Wednesday over comments the foreign ministry called "unacceptable" from BBC (31 August 2016): U.S. will have the choice of abandoning one of their very few allies in that region and lose face or risking the exit of Turkey from NATO or both (if it is dragged on too long). Isn't that more important than those hit-and-run operation? --Fb8cont (talk) 15:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

It's not up to me, it's up to a consensus of editors that you're not going to get on my talk page alone. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Are you familiar with 1RR? You broke it on Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 Limit of one revert in 24 hours: This article is under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period) SaintAviator lets talk 06:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

@SaintAviator: From the list of exemptions: "Removing violations of the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy that contain libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material. What counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Consider reporting to the BLP noticeboard instead of relying on this exemption." – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for that. I will consider using the BLP noticeboard for issues like that BLP violation next time. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

You now have four reverts in a 24 hour period. Is there any reason why you shouldn't be blocked? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

That many? All on the one article? I believe they were BLP violations as "libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material". When I knew I was over my limit, I used WP:BLP/N and the talk page to address the last issue I had. I'm not reverting again. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from but the wording was contentious, not the sourcing. I'm going to ask that you voluntarily refrain from editing the article for the next three days. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe the contentious wording counts as "poorly sourced", as it was making it out to be worse than it was. Anyway, I think three days is fair. Do you mean only the page or also the talk page? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Only the article, you can post to the talk page. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I will adhere to that. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry!

I accidentally hit the rollback button on one of your edits! Fat fingers, I guess. Sorry. Neutrality^talk 02:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

If I had a nickel for every time I've accidentally rolled back edits I didn't mean to rollback... – Muboshgu (talk) 02:54, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Louise Linton

I have responded to your edits on the Louise Linton page. I would prefer to seek consensus with you on this, and in fact have reedited my original preferred revision to better conform to your point of view, but if you continue to rollback to your version without any compromise, I will take our differences to the Dispute_resolution_noticeboard for resolution. Delekate55 (talk) 17:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shelby Miller

The article Shelby Miller you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Shelby Miller for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Famous Hobo -- Famous Hobo (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK for T. J. Friedl

On 15 September 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article T. J. Friedl, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that T. J. Friedl's signing bonus from the Cincinnati Reds is the largest ever for a player not taken in the MLB draft? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/T. J. Friedl. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, T. J. Friedl), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Tom Eshelman

Can you please allow me to change the information on Tom Eshelman. I am changing this information on his behalf. Thank you.Kburfeind (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

There are problems with the edits as you made them. I mentioned that in the wp:edit summaries. It adds a lot of WP:UNDUE weight on certain parts of his amateur career, isn't well formatted, and removed content that was well-formatted and referenced. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Asking for grieving and forgiveness.

I'm so sorry to let you see such an odd turn of event on A-rod's talk page. I do understand that intersite problems cannot be undone here. But I'm glad you set up a template to semi-seal the incident. I know. People shouldn't be acting so rashly especially for going too off-topic here. But I'm glad you manage to catch up and settle things a little. 50.29.199.144 (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Oscar Taveras

Did you want me to include a reference for that information? Or was there a different reason you reverted the edit? It is a little vague as I wrote it, and I'm happy to clarify it if that's your issue. It is accurate, after all, and in line with other articles regarding drunk drivers (including baseball players). Just wondering! Bodo920 (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Bodo920: Referencing was the major issue. That information should indeed be included (I had forgotten about it), but given the sensitive nature of the info, it needed the source that has been added. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

It was already included in the subsection, actually, but it was obscured by the bit about his son, which isn't related to his BAC. It is where it belongs now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I had read other articles that mentioned the intoxication within the section/area of the accident, so I felt it needed to be there. I didn't read far enough to see it was later in the article, which was my bad, and didn't know it was so disputed. I found it curious that the article put forth a bunch of accolades and remembrances first instead of the facts of the article, which I feel could use a review. I think that would be in line with other pages, as the facts of the death are that. The aftermath and legacy are the quotes and funeral celebrations. BAC and autopsy are after the death, literally, but are still facts of the death itself. What do you think?Bodo920 (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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