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Pictor

As you're the most regularly-editing astronomer on wikipedia, can I ask a favour? Has been suggested that an expert give Pictor a look-over as it is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pictor/archive1 as none of us involved are professionals in the area (not much corssover from psychiatry to astronomy!). If you had a spare few minutes to look it over it'd be much appreciated..... cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Done - hope my feedback is useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Much appreciated - I find this stuff much trickier than biology articles..but fun. Last year I had a car with no stereo...so began listening to the jodcast and astronomycast (as well as Australian ABC's Starstuff) with great gusto, which rekindled my interest in all things astronomical.....and now because I am a sucker for punishment value expert input, if you and/or Iain had a few comments on Telescopium that could be slotted at Wikipedia:Peer review/Telescopium/archive1..I'd be insanely grateful...it'll be the last one for a while....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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(1) You will now find your photograph of M‘Neile's statue displayed on the following three relevant Wikipedia pages: George Gammon Adams, the sculptor; St George's Hall, Liverpool, its location; and Hugh M‘Neile, the man himself.

(2) Despite the undisputed beauty, etc. of the sculptor's work, there was considerable controversy over whether or not the sculpture, funded by public subscription, should be (a) accepted at all by the Liverpool City Council, and (b) placed upon public display, in St George's Hall, amongst the other statues (none of which were controversial/divisive figures). See: Hugh_M‘Neile#M.E2.80.98Neile.E2.80.99s_statue.

(3) I must, also, congratulate you on your outstanding photograph. Taken from the extraordinary perspective you have chosen -- that is, rather than the far more conventional full-frontal view -- your photograph ever so wonderfully displays why the statue itself received such acclaim, in its day, as a work of art. Moreover, and ever so subtly, your photograph also demonstrates that the sculptor has accurately depicted M‘Neile's slightly stooped left shoulder.

(4) Once again, "Thanks" for your kind and generous contribution. Dr Lindsay B Yeates (talk) 02:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. :-) I have to confess that the perspective wasn't really my choice, though - I couldn't get into the hall itself, so taking the photo at an angle from the balcony was the only option possible. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, user who contributes to the template namespace with confidence, for quality articles on astronomy based on scientific background, such as AMiBA and 40-foot telescope, for politely explaining verifiability to newcomers, for improving feature lists such as Administrators of NASA, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Thanks

Thanks for your and Iain's input on pictor, I also have Telescopium at Wikipedia:Peer review/Telescopium/archive1 open for a couple of weeks more - I think you're the only professional astronomer active! This will be my last astronomy article for a while so won't nag any more...... At some point in future I will buff Capella and Canopus but not for a while....I like stars but the astrophysics is heavy going for me. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I have booked you a place on the Wikipedia event at Judges' Lodgings on Saturday 20th September at 10.30. I think we met in Liverpool? Look forward to seeing you again. Jhayward001 (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

That's great, thanks Jhayward001. :-) Yes, we met in Liverpool. See you in Lancaster on Saturday. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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HMS Richmond helicopter crash

This is just a note to say I've expressed my concerns over your apparent plans for this article at the Aviation project. Suffice to say, I think it's beyond obvious that what you are having to resort to just to further expand that article (based on your draft copy) isn't remotely where you'd be going if it was even half-way to being an EVENT, considering it happened 12 years ago. Patrol forty (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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HMS Richmond helicopter crash draft

Is this draft ever going to see the light of day Mike? Did your research get any further? Did you find any sources on the topic of the sort that would actually show EVENT is met, as I outlined at the Aviation project? Or is it going to remain as it is now - an aggregation of news reporting, combined with unreliable and/or primary sources? Patrol forty (talk) 18:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I've been working on other things, but thanks to your prompt I've now updated the article using a modified version of the draft. I'll expand the article more when I have the time/energy. I might have missed a discussion - where did you raise this topic with the aviation project? I'd like to remind you again that EVENT is a guideline, not a rule; also, using primary sources isn't a problem, although of course it is important to identify where the information they contain is unreliable. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Manchester Cenotaph

I tried to format the refs I added in the list but I couldn't get the BNA refs to work. Sorry. J3Mrs (talk) 16:08, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:J3Mrs. Nice work expanding the article! Did you mean this or something else? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:15, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you did it, thanks, I'm not very good with stuff like that. I thought Mrs Bingle's story was very sad and worth including. J3Mrs (talk) 08:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd agree. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:52, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Navboxes are generally collapsed now. This is because some of them can get pretty large ({{Dutch Windmills}} for example). The aviation accidents navbox causes significant page stretch, but consensus is that it remains at three columns, not two. If there is only one navbox on an article that is no too large, then it may be displayed uncollapsed. Mjroots (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense, thanks. Back in my day, navboxes used to be quite a bit smaller than your example - e.g., see {{St Peter's Square}} (which I recently started). Although in this case, both of the templates are still rather compact than the dutch windmills one is, at least on my screen. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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I took forever to contact you, but you have been warmly recommended to join our jury for Commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Africa :) I'd love to see you join us ! We currently have 4 people confirmed (Habib, Pierre-Selim, Pierre Beaudoin, an ivory coast photograph Paul Sika) and two non wikipedians pending. Contest end up end of November. We have no special hurry to select the pictures. This could be done for early January. Would you be willing ? Say yes please :) Anthere (talk)

Hey @Anthere:. Thanks for the invite! I'd be very willing to join the jury. I should have time around Christmas to look through the pictures. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
You rock ! You in ! Anthere (talk)

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Images

Okay I give up, apart from looking for APOD, how/where would I find public domain images of NGC 6584, NGC 6868, NGC 6861 or IC 4699 (the deep sky objects in Telescopium...). All input appreciated....cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I'd suggest looking for Hubble Space Telescope or European Southern Observatory images - the former's public domain, the latter's CC-BY. They might not be photogenic objects, though, so it may be a case of looking in the telescope archives rather than image galleries - assuming that they've been observed by NASA/ESO... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:34, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
[1] and [2] are the image archives for the two - but I can't spot these particular objects there. NGC 6845 had a photo in the article on the object, though, so I've added that to the Telescopium article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
I saw a hubble image of the globular cluster on wikisky and have found watermarked ones, but have not found one that I can download. It is the most photogenic of them - the others are pretty unimpressive...sigh. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:12, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
How about something like [3]? That's from the FITS file from the Hubble observation of NGC 6584 taken as part of this archived proposal, turned into a colour JPEG using SAOImage DS9. It's not the prettiest of images, but it might suffice? (probably once rotated and maybe tweaked a bit more...) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
That'd be great! Why is it rotated 45 degrees though.....should it be cropped to a square or just rotated 45 to make square I wonder.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:12, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
I think that's because the telescope was rotated with respect to RA/Dec when the observations were taken. I think rotating it back is the easiest thing to do - how about this version? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Cool! Upload to wiki awaayyyy......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 Done! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Meet-up clash

Hi Mike,

You may be interested in the thread I started at meta:Talk:Meetup/Manchester/26.

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Please note that I've put the start time of the Manchester meetup back to 1.30, and changed the venue to a pub closer to the training venue. Bazonka (talk) 20:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Image Options

Hi, I'm Rick- we met at the Portsmouth Zooniverse Wikithon a couple of months back. I've been editing an article on Savile Row tailoring recently and have been trying to expand it with the use of images. I have some images that I have been given by two companies concerned. However, I cannot use any of them (3 images) as we don't have the photographer's permission, so using a Creative Commons licence is a no-no. I uploaded one of them but that has since been deleted having gone through an OTRS procedure. The company concerned was involved with that, but it was decided that the company's representative wasn't 'close enough'.

The point is that the companies have given me images in good faith, knowing that I wished to use them in WP. Is there any licence or fair-use policy that might allow me use these images of 'men in suits'? I don't want to cheat the photographers, but as far as I can gather from emails with the companies, the images have been given to them as 'marketing'.

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. They might well be viewed by the companies concerned. Rgds Richard Nowell (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Richard Nowell: it was good to meet you in Portsmouth. How are you doing?
I'm afraid that from your description, it sounds like these three images can't be used on Wikipedia at all. It's great that the companies are willing to provide images for use in the Wikipedia articles, and they should be thanked for being willing to do so. However, the copyright of the images will be owned by the photographer(s) rather than the company, unless the photographer(s) signed over the copyright for the images to the company, or provided license terms that describe how the company can make use of them. The company should have records of either the copyright transfer or the license terms, so they should be able to check those agreements to see if they can freely license the images or not - even if the images are 'gifts' for use in marketing, they should still have such permission on record. If they don't have such records, then they shouldn't even be using the photographs themselves as they could well be inadvertently breaching copyright law.
You could upload the images here as 'fair use' under U.S. law, see Wikipedia:Non-free content. However, it sounds like the images would fail the no free equivalent criterion as they could be replaced by a new photo under a free license (unlike, e.g., photos of a past event where no freely licensed images are available or are likely to become available in the next few decades).
The best option would be to ask the companies whether they have alternative images where they do clearly have the photographer's permission to release them under a free license, e.g. if they could contact past photographers to obtain such permission, or if they take new photos in the future where they can obtain such permission at the same time as the photo-shoot takes place.
Sorry for the hassle I'm sure that this will cause, but it is important to make sure that copyright law is followed when uploading images to Wikipedia. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm well thankyou. The licensing is as I expected, although I hoped there might be a 'fair use' licence; apparently not. I guess the way forward is to approach the photographer(s) first, although by using Creative Commons they are relinquishing any royalties for evermore! It's either that or travelling up to London for a few photos taken with a naff camera. OK, much obliged for your advice... rgds Richard Nowell (talk) 08:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
With royalties: that's not entirely true, as they can still ask for royalties for images used outside of the Creative Commons terms (e.g. if the reuser doesn't want to provide an attribution statement, or release derivative works under the same license, if the image is released under CC-BY-SA). They also get to raise the profile of their images by their inclusion here, and their subsequent reuse elsewhere.
It might be worth asking if they have any B-roll photos that they'd be willing to share, rather than the main one that they want to get royalties from. There are always many photos from a photoshoot that don't get used, in addition to the one that does, and they might be more willing to share one of these. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
B-rolls- not I term I know! Good idea though, there must be a lot of extraneous images squirreled away that would be adequate for WP. As I mentioned above, the answer must be to approach photographers first, then companies. As long as the image is reasonable, the companies probably won't mind, as it shows off their products. As long as the article is kept neutral, then illustrations from different companies of different styles can only benefit the article. Descriptions are nice, but this is a visual subject, so it needs illustrations. Thanks again, Richard Nowell (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
It's a film term more than a photography one, but I'm not sure what the photography equivalent is: see B-roll. Yes, approaching photographers first is probably a good idea. For quite a few things, you won't need to then approach the company afterwards - it's only if the object that's being photographed is also copyrighted that the company would also need to be asked. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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I've read your user page and see you're an astrophysicist, that's pretty cool.

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Am I allowed to upload a European Southern Observatory picture from 1988 under a free licence to wikicommons? It is a picture of a small galaxy in black-&-white. Any help appreciated.Richard Nowell (talk) 01:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Have uploaded it under Creative Commons 4 as described on: http://www.eso.org/public/copyright/.Richard Nowell (talk) 10:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Richard, sorry for not getting back to you quicker. The upload and license choice sound good to me. There's a potential concern if it's an ESO image that hasn't been published on their website: they might not have intended this image to be released under the CC license. However, given that they have a blanket copyright license for all of their images I don't expect this to be worth worrying about. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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Fair enough, if there were only a few redlinks then I'd have encouraged you to add them, but there do seem to be quite a lot of redlinks in the lists. I've got too many other things on the go at the moment to help much with these navboxes, sorry. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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Your amazing photo of Snowdonia region (view from Crib Goch)

Hi there Wonderful photo, and a simple question really - I'm a tad bemused and befuddled by the copyright blurb - all I need to know is: is it ok for me to paint from your photo? Kind regards, Sian Gibbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.28.148 (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sian. Thanks for the message. That's not a request I've heard before! The answer is yes, but you should provide attribution to myself for the original photo, and you would have to license your painting under CC-BY-SA-4.0 (which is only really relevant if it isn't just for personal use). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Corona Borealis

Hi Mike - need an expert's input into Corona Borealis, which has just passed GA - have gone back to notes on PIctor to make sure I've done general improvements as per other constellation articles - any input much appreciated...cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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