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A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For removing vandalism from my user page. Thanks a lot! MrScorch6200 (talk) 17:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Community Help

There are a number of people, one of whom has vandalized the Stalking page, as of th 24th, -removing perfectly referenced, material, which was in use on another page word-for word

This material was maliciously vandalized, removed - on the 24th of August, please check the log


- We need some help ~please 23:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)Dynomitedetails (talk)

Discussion about the book

I saw your edit on the page God Is Not Great, i think that you should revert your edits back, because the whole book is really not pointing the religion anywhere, nor any of the quote that has been falsely written in the page that goes like "insane rituals, when i was in pune". For more details just see this link[1], if found on the same page. OccultZone (talk) 11:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well the link i just gave you here. I have actually read the book, and if it goes critical it talks only about hindus brides, or the hindu+buddhist feud in srilanka, that's not about religion anyway. I found it on the page itself {https://sites.google.com/site/godisnotgreatsite) it's the whole book itself, and it mentions "hinduism" but only once, in a line that goes like "Gandhi's talk of Hinduism and by the long ostentatious hours he spent in cultish practices and in tending his spinning wheel", which is beyond whatever has been written on the page. OccultZone (talk) 11:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It's probably your myth, that "hinduism" is mentioned 13 times.. Can you prove it? That it mentions "13 times" and in the same way it has been written on the page. if you go through this link now[2] Once again you will find, that hinduism is mentioned just once, the quote i have already given to you, and it's no where criticizing.

In fact, it doesn't criticize buddhism either, but only talks about it's followers that how they have ruined it. OccultZone (talk) 12:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I believe it's your own fiction, that it has been mentioned 13 times. And you have already failed to prove it. So it's better if you simple revert your edit, because the source i mentioned is not 'pirated', in fact i have this book myself, and you can search about this book in this link:-

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lm9VdHv0OWEC

You will know yourself. OccultZone (talk) 12:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, there's no need to, because if you look clearly there's no source about any of the information that has been added on the pages. It's better to remove such misleading texts, since they can't be even backed up. OccultZone (talk) 13:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
http://www.learningace.com/doc/922793/814612c25016efeb4d64edd3d44e361e/christopher_hitchens_-_god_is_not_great and this one http://books.google.com/books?id=nNTDaH6LFX0C . Suggests the same as the first source, you can read yourself. OccultZone (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, you can reply back at the talk page of that page. I considered first as you are edit warring, but Never mind it.OccultZone (talk) 09:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Ship of Theseus

Hi,

I've re-added the "Sugababes" example to the Ship of Theseus article which you removed. I've given my reasons here. Feel free to add your opinion. All the best, Ubcule (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Traditional animation

You previously participated in a discussion of the title of traditional animation. There is currently a move discussion at Talk:Traditional animation you might be interested in. —  AjaxSmack  00:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Petrichor

Just saw that page, and your edit, not that i am going to revert your changes right here, but why you removed the sourced text? Have a good one. OccultZone (talk) 08:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Fine, got it. OccultZone (talk) 08:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Fish and Chips

Sorry for the confusion on fish and chips with my edits, I just reverted the stupid changes by RuggedMaori1 (talk) without back checking further, should have realised that any side dish should not have been under the heading 'serving'.... teach me to look next time. Best wishes Geotek (talk) 14:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

What constitutes a notable prank

Could you please elaborate on what constitutes a notable prank that you reverted my edits on April Fools day? Associated Press picking up an event and reporting it without validated is a big dealNeil2000 (talk) 19:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

RE: Your signature

If you had known how many times users have told me, for short, "you didn't write correct", you would understand why it exists. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

April Fools' Day Request for Comments

Not sure I see any real problem with the current wording, unless you want to decapitalize "Editor"... AnonMoos (talk) 08:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

National Autistic Society‎

User:62.255.138.2 and User:209.222.18.11 have been chasing each other all over the whole damn wikipedia:( DMacks (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Nightvale

The reason I've removed some content on the welcome to the night vale page is that it was concerning the tumblr fandom of nightvale. To be honest that's not worth mentioning as nearly everything has a fan following on tumblr and they don't constitute a worthy citation that necessitates that particular content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moleymatt (talk • contribs) 19:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


Animal rights list

(Hi. I put this on my talk page too under your post.Am proud to be writing under "Copper Penis Owl".) Hi. A category and a list are two different animals (to coin a pun). They give different data and, of course, a list includes more of a summary and can also include a good "See also" section of its own. Take a look at the "List of animal rights advocates" page, some people have put in alot of work on it (I was impressed when I first saw it). Thanks, and would you like to help on this one? You can start from the "Z's" because I'm going down the list alphabetically (and educating myself during the reading/listing). Randy Kryn 16:20 24 April 2013 (UTC)

p.s. I've stopped adding the list link until we talk more about it. Does wikipedia have a set policy on this? Looking at the List of animal rights advocates history it gets very few views a day (40 to 60) which may show that the category list isn't enough for people to find it. I seldom look at categories when I research a subject, but do look at See also lists. Thanks again. Randy Kryn 16:39 24 April 2013 (UTC)
According to this it seems OK. Does that cover your concerns? Thanks for "forcing" me to look at the data. I'll wait for now for your go ahead though, as I'm not a total expert of the why's and wherefor's here. Randy Kryn 16:58 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reponse. If the wording was just added to the Wikipedia guide section recently was it just a user adding it or was in an admin addition or new/expanded policy? To me "See also" sections, if they aren't overly huge (some have pretty extensive See also's), add to the topic seem relevant so, like categories, they do expand the 'knowledge tree' for people who are really into studying a subject. I'm signing off soon, hunger trumps listing, and will check on this later. Good to meet you (and I will just have to check out the Copper Penis Owl page, which I'll do before signing off. What kind of See also section would that one have????) Randy Kryn 17:17 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Mowbly

Thought it made sense, but conflict of interest. Thanks for pointing it out. - [User talk:Aravindbaskaran]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aravindbaskaran (talk • contribs) 19:41, 3 June 2013‎

Reverting Changes to British English

You really needs to get a life, and not waste your time reverting changes made to British vs. American English. There are over 300 million of us that speak and write American English, and yet there are less than 100 million people that use British English. Hence, the more prevalent form of English, and that which will be rejected by fewer spell checkers, is American English; thus my changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbpaul517 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 24 June 2013‎

Publishing Observations

How does one publish observations? Philosophy is all about arguments and counter arguments.

80s toons

Thanks for the explanation. My specialty is cartoons from the 80s, hence the 80's directory to provide additional info about various 80's cartoons shows and also similar edits because I mainly know 80's cartoons. I'm not trying to spam (I hate those as well), but provide extra info about a topic I'm passionate as well as knowledgable about. Skolpopia (talk) 11:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


Bananaman

How can you say my link was inappropriate? Look at the other links on the Bananaman page: http://www.johnnorrisbrown.com/classic-nick/bananaman/index.htm and http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/bananaman2.php. How is my source different from these? This link doesn't even have content: http://www.slocartoon.net/?main=cartoons/cartoons&aid=755 and this link doesn't even work: http://mst3k.booyaka.com/episodes/guides/other/bananaman.html My link is an addition to the current content. Skolpopia (talk) 11:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request

Greetings. Because you participated in the August 2013 move request regarding this subject, you may be interested in participating in the current discussion. This notice is provided pursuant to Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Marilyn Price-Mitchell

Wondering if its time to remove the speedy deletion nomination from the article above? The article already have 3 journal references (reliable) and many other sources (primary). Also can you look into this article for me. I worked on it for whole day only to be met with proposed deletion.--Mishae (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Bullying

You've been removing almost all of my posts, claiming I'm "testing" or "doing it for comedy" and at this point I'm really furious. Stop stalking me and bullying me around wikipedia, as you're just going out of your way to show a blatant disregard for facts and to abuse me. Big love from iTajjx (talk) 13:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

"Driving Licence" and "FIA Super License" are very different things. One of them allows you to drive while another allows you to drive in one specific racing season. It would be a joke if I said "Driving license" as hiring a driver with no previous experience in driving at all is silly but that clearly isn't what is going on. Don't make silly assumptions. Big love from iTajjx (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

My dad works for Ferrari. Big love from iTajjx (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting. Please remember to lower your dongers on the way out. ┌༼ຈل͜ຈ༽┐Big love from iTajjx (talk) 14:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

What you did was an advertising and that's the reason why McGeddon have removed almost all your posts. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a social network site where people can say what they want, its an encyclopedia at first place. We do discuss the articles though, but we don't advertise anything. The thing that your dad works for Ferrari (or any other company for that matter) doesn't mean that you can advertise his work here. Yes, we do have articles regarding Ferrari (which would hopefully make you and your dad feel proud), but they don't have advertisements and they don't need it! Its an encyclopedic site, which writes encyclopedic articles! Plain and simple.--Mishae (talk) 19:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the concern, but advertising isn't the issue here, the user's contributions have just been unsourced BLP claims, which appear to be obscure private jokes (cf. this IP edit and this edit from ITajjx). --McGeddon (talk) 11:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Passive Voice

The Manual of Style thereby implies that passive voice should otherwise be removed; therefore, I removed it.  :)

If to age is to callous over one's sympathy, then I shall remain a I child forever. (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Wiki takes Tube

Hi, if you are free on the 9th November you might be interested to join us on Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Wiki takes the Tube. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Flickr History

Might have been embarrassing if the Pogue quote had been retained in the WP text 

Guess it pays to be friendly when you're a tech journalist :-)
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/yahoo-hires-tech-columnist-pogue-to-expand-technology-news-offerings-435469

He won't go short of cheese now...oh, yes the tildes Longshot1944 (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Frank Sidebottom

Finally got round to commenting on your 'undo' on the Frank Sidebottom page. New statue unveiling date inserted together with reference. Altfish (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


Mcgeddin I think you made a mistake I had very valid info. So if you want to delete something tell me BEFORE you delete it please and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.74.23.112 (talk) 23:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

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Pervasive game

  • I'm sorry, but if you are going to change all the wording of "pervasive games" to your liking without reading the definitions yourself, mucking them up. Then I am not going to fix them. You can do the reading yourself. I do appreciate your help with wiki styling, but altering the statements that are found in the research papers alters the definitions. For example "PG takes place primarily in the physical" is just wrong. Same with the origins. Each of the fields has a different meaning. --K.Nevelsteen (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • In addition, I added the red links in the hopes that someone would add those games to Wikipedia. The article is a stub for a reason. If those red links are against wiki policy, fine then.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 13:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I think blend is about as snappy as you are going to get without plagiarizing. The only other thing I could do is quote: "Pervasive games extend the gaming experience out into the real world". Nieuwdorp also uses blend. :S What I mean about the origins is the removal of one of the 3 other concepts talked about in the PG discourse. The origin is not a simple statement and that is why I didn't go into it (yet). Would require some time to paraphrase it correctly. Cheers.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Blending would be blending the game world with the physical world. Oh, let me add that. :S =) As for the discourse. in trust the PG is sorely under documented on Wiki. The books are from 2009 and we are 2013. Idem with Ubiquitous computing. I would fix all the redirects, but that would create massive amounts of stubs that someone would potentially get mad about.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 14:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks, and that for the uncontroversial editing =) Will try to expand the article later (deadline looming). Nice to be able to use your knowledge of wiki style, because mine is very rusty and outdated.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh, I didn't do the Outdoor gaming Cats... innocent ;) Perhaps we should move the conversation to the PG talk page?--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 17:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know who to define the Category Mixed Reality Games to be a subset of Pervasive Games. Would you be able to help me with that?--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • @McGeddon:, Can I ask why you don't like the sentence: A pervasive game is a game where the game world blends with the physical world. Why do you have to include virtual or abstract and whatnot? I put three references there that use those exact wording, so I am left wondering why you want to change the definition.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 20:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Ok, I understand. I can add another definition it, but you have to understand that pervasive games is a genre and the definition is necessarily vague. That is precisely why it is the broadest category containing all those other sub-genres. Do you mind if I revert, please?--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 20:18, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Thought about that... I will try and use Benford's article to your liking...--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Let me know what you think about it now. I don't want to use my own words, because I want to get the definition correct. For other descriptions it doesn't matter, but this is a definition.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • McGeddon. Would you want to write an article? REXplorer There is a book[3] that is freely available where it is described. I can even give you the page numbers. Let me know if you are interested.--K.Nevelsteen (talk) 22:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Paul is dead

In the past that article was better... There are many clues. Why did you remove the pictures? Regards, Böri (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Easter egg

Was anything wrong with my edit of the Numbers Station? I'm new to this so I don't really know if I broke any rule — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unilith0 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Your edit on herd immunity

About your edit on Herd immunity. There was no copyright violation because the image and caption were by the US government and in the public domain. That text is free to use. Haven't reverted anything though, just thought you'd like to know. Also the image is attributed, even though it isn't required as per their license. CFCF (talk) 23:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hyundai Elantra

Check out the history of the article, and the history of those IPs; they're here simply to vandalize articles, and edit-war misinformation and inappropriate things into articles edited by User:Mr.choppers. Could you please remove all of their edits, and not just part of them, in articles like this please? I've hit the rollback button on their vandalism a lot over the last hour, and am probably at 3RR at the very least. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Toshiba

I'm glad you were able to revert that IP re-adding the Section on criticism. The reason I removed it earlier is that it has no place with such an old company and it was an eyesore; also, I don't honestly believe Toshiba really was doing a planned (obsolescent thing) and that Toshiba had a good concern the books would mislead the people. Also, they do have a right to take down copyrighted content; as well, I see no evidence ether of planned thingy. What I mean is that it was basically a conspiracy theory with no real sources; it was reported on a lot of sites due to the associated press thing; I hope you get my feeling on why I removed it in the first place. I would appreciate your thoughts however. --Pretty les♀♥, Dark Mistress, talk, 21:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Sean Lock

  • Why did you delete the referenced ammendment to Sean Lock's page about his first appearence on TV - on STV's Funny Farm? It's 100% true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.222.205 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 30 November 2013‎

Amazon.com

I'm stumped as to why you considered this http://www.amiba.net/resources/all-about-amazon an inappropriate addition to the Amazon.com page. Was it because I just registered as a new user? (I'm not very experienced, but have contributed before--lost my log in information). Will you please enlighten me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoundPowder (talk • contribs) 18:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Though it's a collection of articles,it's not at all what I think of as an aggregator designed to suck in web traffic. It's a curated collection organized to make it a useful educational resource and all links go to the original news sources. Please let me know if this suits your criteria to include. I won't do any more there unless you respond in affirmative. HoundPowder (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Oil cleansing method

Hello McGeddon. I have recently nominated Oil cleansing method, an article on which you have worked, for deletion. I request your input here. Thanks! - Sweet Nightmares 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding the sockblock template to the User:Virenece45; missed doing it myself. --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

John Titor

John Titor is real. The story is real. I sit typing this to you by my boat dock in Florida right now. John Titor's car, the 67 vette, sits at an auto museum called muscle car city in Punta Gorda, FL. People are being stripped of their rights here without due process. My rights were stripped illegally. My cousin went to jail for failure to pay child support, he has no children. The body armor I wear on duty is made by a company called Diamondback Tactical out of phoenix, AZ. I have a sister agency known as the Diamond Security Agency. Truth is stranger than fiction. I have already located the General Electric "Payroll" facility. Armed private security for "payroll"......... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.36.59 (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Your source is at www.Paranormalis.com. Please feel free to include a photo of my car on your main page, http://musclecarcity.net/corral/cars-for-sale/1967-corvette-427435/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.36.59 (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 12 February

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Susanna Reid

Hi, why was the link about Susanna Reid named 81st Most Desirable Woman in the World inappropriate? AskMen is a leading men's online lifestyle publication. Thanks. Simona. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smohan23 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Willis Tower edit

Hello there. I think what I wrote in the Willis tower article was neutral. You see I didn't make anything up, all of those statements are from proper websites written by professionals. It is not me who said those things, these statements are found in proper university websites:

So as you can see what I wrote about Khan are all from those websites written by professional engineers. thank you. --Aalaan (talk) 16:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi can you please put the link back because there is nowhere to actually play the game online and I thought this was a great resource for that purpose.

Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.251.39.51 (talk) 10:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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Not edit warring

A comment on the Talk page by an IP in a similar range infers vandalistic intent for the edits, stating that "Using Wikipedia to encourage Helix worship is ridiculously dumb." ViperSnake151  Talk  18:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Both "216.165.254.97" and "207.233.31.37" are both me. Izno is not. Don't assume that I'm a vandal just because I disagree with you about an edit, especially on other people's pages. --MrChangHuIIIEsq (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Thanks for keeping me in check. MrChangHuIIIEsq (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Jeeves & Bertie Wooster

I made similar edits today (changing "Bertie" to "Wooster" where appropriate) to two different articles, and received very different responses. When I changed 16 occurrences in P. G. Wodehouse, you reverted me, but when I changed 34 occurrences in Jeeves, I received a Thank you notification from User:Wikipeterproject, who claims to be a veteran editor with 9000 edits (not that that makes him unassailably correct, but since I think he's done more edits than you and I combined, he probably knows the house style, even though neither you nor I have found anything definitive on the subject of naming conventions for fictional names).

So I thought I would explain to you why I made the changes.

I do agree that, superficially, it feels odd to us in the 21st century, to speak of fictional characters by their surnames but, firstly it is what I have found in many other articles, and secondly I believe it is the only NPOV solution in this case.

I disagree with your suggestion that the "Jeeves and Wooster" books (as I believe they are always formally called, rather than "Jeeves and Bertie"), generally refer to Bertie Wooster as "Bertie" rather than "Wooster". I don't think you are comparing like with like. Obviously, Wooster's family, and sometimes his friends, call him "Bertie", just as Reginald Jeeves' friends call him "Reggie". But in a semi-formal situation, he is referred to as "Bertie Wooster", and in a formal situation as "Wooster".

Also, remember that we are referring to books set in a time 60 - 100 years ago, when conventions were different and classism was rampant in the UK (as were racism, sexism, homophobia and religious intolerance). We should not therefore be blindly following the terminology in the book within our commentaries -- that style, while excellent for humorous writing of the period, would not have been considered "encyclopaedic" then, let alone now.

It seems right to list out the conventions of those times, which were, if I remember what I was taught (please someone correct me if I am wrong):

  • older family members address or refer to younger relations as First-name, often with a diminutive, (+ Surname if ambiguous), eg Reggie (Jeeves) or Bertie (Wooster)
  • younger family members address or refer to their parents and grandparents as Mr/Mrs (First-name if ambiguous +) Surname, eg Mr Jeeves or Mr Wooster (I really can't imagine addressing my parents as Mr/Mrs Enginear, but I know that they were taught to address their own parents in that way when they were young, at least if others were present)
  • younger family members address or refer to their aunts/uncles as Aunt/Uncle First-name (+ Surname if ambiguous), eg Aunt Dahlia, or Aunt Dahlia Travers, if there were several Aunt Dahlias
  • equals in the middle or upper classes (and all their subdivisions) address or refer to each other by surname only, unless either family or very friendly (even when I was at school, we did that, and some still addressed me in that way at university, though I did not reciprocate, except occasionally in jest or for irony) -- interestingly, Bertie Wooster and his friends generally avoid the issue by using nicknames, but otherwise, as far as I recall, they used surnames
  • equals in the working class (and all its subdivisions) tend to address or refer to each other by First names with diminuitives if friendly, or otherwise as Mr/Mrs Surname, eg Reggie or Mr Jeeves
  • masters/mistresses address or refer to junior servants as formal First-name (as previously they had addressed or referred to slaves), eg when Jeeves was a page-boy, he would have been addressed as Reginald (but perhaps I've mis-remembered, or else US usage was different, because the slave in Huckleberry Finn is "Jim", not "James")
  • masters/mistresses address or refer to senior servants as Surname, eg Jeeves or Spode
  • servants refer to the patriarch/matriarch as Mr/Mrs xxx (assuming he/she's not a knight/dame or a lord/lady), eg Mrs Travers (Aunt Dahlia)
  • servants refer to sons/daughters of the patriarch/matriarch as Mr/Mrs/Master/Miss First-name Surname, eg (when his parents were alive) Master Bertram (definitely not Bertie, even when he was a baby), or Master Bertram Wooster

Although is seems Bertie Wooster is an orphan, he is of an age where most people would still have at least one living parent, so the readers (assumed by the author to be middle or upper class -- remember most of the books pre-date Lady Chatterley's Lover and the infamous "Would you let your servants read this book?") are encouraged to think of him as "cousin/nephew Bertie" while the valet, however clever, is still "Jeeves". If Wodehouse had been writing for the servant class, he would have spoken of Mr Wooster and Reggie, and he would have avoided many of the lèse-majesté issues as being not suitable for servants to read.

Obviously, if Wooster was reading about himself in an encyclopaedia, he would expect to see himself mentioned first as "Bertram Wilberforce Wooster", or possibly "Bertram Wilberforce "Bertie" Wooster", and thereafter as "Wooster". We do indeed start his article in that way, but we then proceed to refer to him as "Bertie" throughout, which would horrify him -- it's one thing for a reader/cousin/uncle/aunt to refer to him as "Bertie", but certainly not a formal publication.

But is that really the point?

For me, my skin crawls when I read "Jeeves and Bertie" because it perpetuates class prejudice. The two men are named in different formats because of their different circumstances -- because we are encouraged to think of "Bertie" as a young relative, while "Jeeves" is a non-person, no longer the chattel that he would have been 200 years earlier (or little over 100 years earlier in the USA) but still someone so far beneath us that we can never be on first-name terms.

Let's compare briefly with Huckleberry Finn -- and I do this without in any way disrespecting the much more serious issues dealt with by Mark Twain (it is thought that "Jim the runaway slave" is based on the slave whose bloated body Mark Twain had discovered as a boy -- the runaway had drowned while trying to escape from bounty-hunters; the author kept returning to the manuscript, modifying it for years before he finally released it; it is thought that he wanted to make it a darker tale, but his instincts told him that without the happy ending he finally added, the Northern US public would not accept it. But even though, by the time he was writing it, slavery had been abolished, so what he wrote was no longer illegal, the Ku Klux Klan were already lynching white integrationists, so it was risky to make it too happy).

Jim comes through as the real hero, the only adult main character, who in the end is prepared to face death, or worse being sold to a bad slave-owner, rather than leave an injured Huck. Huckleberry Finn is like a Shakespearian fool. Someone who, by his position (still a child, largely self-taught, alienated from society and with little moral guidance) is permitted to say the things that, if he was an adult, would have led to him being lynched as a "nigger-lover". Tom Sawyer is a selfish dilettante who thinks it's all a game -- he's the same age as Huck but has never had to fend for himself and is immature -- he knows that Jim's owner has freed him, but he doesn't tell anyone because that would spoil the fun -- the fun of Jim and Huck risking their lives and being shot at. Meanwhile, Tom knows deep down that, because he's from a good family, he'll be looked after, however the game ends. But yes, even in that story there is humour.

Compared with that, as Wodehouse said himself, the topics in the Jeeves and Wooster books are extremely light, and the humour predominates. But Wooster is a bit like Sawyer might have been, 10 years on. He is still a dilettante and still a bit selfish -- he doesn't realise it -- he speaks of "Never let a chum down" -- but Tom would have said that too. But actually, some of his actions, and those of his friends, prey on society. It's hilarious to read of, knowing that such stereotypes, if they ever existed, are now extinct, or at least, limited in numbers, eg members of the Bullingdon Club who somehow still get elected to high office in the UK. But it's only hilarious because Wodehouse has brought us on side, to smile at the idiocies of cousin Bertie. And, while he never has to put his life at risk like Jim, Reginald Jeeves is still the quiet fixer who arranges everything, even getting "our Bertie" out of prison when necessary.

I was born into a society where class prejudice was rampant. One of my grandmothers was a bigot, who sat in a restaurant disparaging the waiter as if he couldn't hear her. I made sure I never went out with her again. One Easter, as a child, I visited a friend whose parents moved to a seaside town. They would not let us go to the beach on Wednesday afternoons, because that was early closing day and "the tradespeople would be there". Their neighbours were a rich family who owned a large grocer's shop (the nearest we had to supermarkets in those days). To his mum's annoyance, my friend insisted on being friendly with the neighbour's children. One day, one of those children dared to use her toilet. As soon as he had gone, she was fussing round the toilet, spraying disinfectant all round it, complaining that "you never know what germs those types may have". I was invited to visit them again, but I made my excuses and didn't go.

Just as with racism, sexism, homophobia and religious intolerance, I have tried hard to distance myself from class discrimination, and it hurts me when I see it perpetuated in Wikipedia, which should be NPOV. Yes, the Jeeves and Wooster books are hilarious, but they are "of their time". Just as I would not call someone a nigger on the excuse that that word peppers Huckleberry Finn, so I do not use different conventions for naming servants and masters, just because it is the (historically correct) usage in Wodehouse's books. Nor should Wikipedia.

So am I being oversensitive? Is there some reason I have missed why we should allow class-prejudice in our commentary of the books? 'pedia is not my home wiki, and I do not want to be drawn into a long discussion. I shall therefore back out for the present, and leave it to you to decide. At present, P. G. Wodehouse is reverted to its original style, ie Bertie...Bertie...Jeeves and Bertie...Bertie...Jeeves and Bertie. So if you think I am wrong, it can be left for the moment, but if the consensus is that I am right, it will need to be re-reverted. I hope to be back on the site in a few days, to see what has happened. Enginear (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I feel that "Wooster" is appropriate, at least when referenced alongside Jeeves, given that the pair are commonly referenced that way (for example in the BBC series Jeeves and Wooster. It is otherwise not uncommon in Wikipedia to refer to fictional characters by their given name, and this is the case throughout the Bertie Wooster article. I don't think that one can or should read a class prejudice into any of this. Wikipeterproject (talk) 14:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm a neutral bystander, but I think Enginear makes some compelling points. Vttale (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
As is obvious, this is a hobby horse of mine, so I went away for a few days to calm down! Actually, I think that instinct from experience should count for a great deal, particularly when, as he has quietly pointed out to me, McGeddon's experience is a highly impressive 60,000 edits. Indeed, such instinct can often be used to find a good solution when standard rules/recommendations do not seem appropriate, and thereby reduce the need for excessively detailed rules. However, McGeddon, on this occasion, I think you may have misjudged the issue for two reasons.
To summarise what I wrote above, firstly, I don't believe you are comparing like with like. In the books and serials, those who are not friends or family always refer to both characters by their surnames. While there is an argument for writing our articles as if we have the same upper class familiarity with "Bertie" and the same condescension to "Jeeves" as Wodehouse himself does, that seems, as Orangemike stated in his edit summary, an inappropriate tone for an encyclopedia.
Secondly, while I largely agree with what Wikipeterproject has stated above, I differ slightly. It is certainly the case that, since Jeeves and Wooster episodes have been repeated very frequently in UK now for over 23 years, any other usage, eg "Jeeves and Bertie" immediately grates, and leaves the reader wondering why the writer is emphasising non-equality of the names (ie surname v first-name), rather than keeping to the "long established" equal surname v surname usage. And while one perhaps shouldn't read class prejudice into this -- after all, I hope we're all agreed that accuracy of content takes primacy over word-use or grammar -- I for one find it difficult to suggest any other reason for the unequal wording, and that is distracting.
To compare with gender discrimination, it is as if the stars of Gravity were referred to throughout our article as "Clooney and Sandra" or their characters were described as "Matt and Stone". It's just inappropriate. I'm more relaxed about the use of "Bertie" when it's not contrasted with "Jeeves" (and I did leave that in place in some cases where it seemed appropriate). And personally, I would not suggest adding anything to the Manual of Style unless and until there have been a number of long and time-wasting discussions relating to several fictional universes -- I suspect that different types of fiction require quite different treatment, and it would be very easy to write lengthy guidance which confused more than it helped!
Thank you everyone for remaining civil, even those of you who felt I was being oversensitive. Enginear (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Really this should just be a straight, neutral policy matter of how and whether to reflect the author's usage in a work of fiction - I've started a thread at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction#Forenames_and_surnames_of_characters to try to find out what the rule is (or should) be. --McGeddon (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Improper use of article's Talk page

Thank you for the pointer. One assumes that one might, well, talk about an issue on its Talk page! Seriously, you must admit that the corpus of rules governing suitable modifications to the Wiki is enormous. No harm, no foul.

50.128.184.140 (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

User Problem

Hello and thank you for pointing that out for me. Right now, some user kept adding unsourced information on TriStar Pictures, List of TriStar Pictures films, List of films released by New Line Cinema, and others. Can you report that user, please? - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Opinions and facts about Torquay

Sorry if I offended u but i was just replying to your post of me being Scorpio's pal but no one sees Scorpio in Torquay because of his huge fan base and im not sure if he still lives in Torquay and im not his pal but Scorpio is regarded as UK's No.2 Hardcore-Techno DJ behind The DJ Producer aka Luke McMillan I might have got the year of birth wrong but he is one of the most famous Techno Dj's in the world otherwise why would he be a regular at most major dance events. But Lauren Pope is on notable people just for being in the paper as a page 3 girl which surely is not enough to be notable either. Plus Torquay's population of 65,500 is only the Torbay area of Torquay and not the whole of it of which some parts come under South Hams and Teignbridge district councils and the map doesn't show the north end of Torquay. Plus since 2001 there has been about 5,000 homes built since then in the Torbay area of Torquay which with there being at least 6,000+ homeless it means there must be at least 10-15,000 homes derelict I will try and get a proper map of Torquay but am not sure how to put it on the web page any suggestions because all maps of Torquay doesn't show the areas like Kingskerswell, Abbotskerswell, Stoneycombe, Compton, Combeinteignhead, Stokeinteignhead, Netherton and even (Maidencombe and Stantor Barton which is in the Torbay boundary) so to say the population is still the same as 2001 is impossible especially when you can see the amount of building going on down here.StatoatTBC (talk) 13:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Susanna Reid 2

Thanks for finding that. I have been Googling it, but wasn't prepared to accept Daily Mail, Daily Mirror, Huffington Post or any other tabloid source, which was what was being generated up to this morning. Telegraph is good though. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Joan Chen

Thank you for inserting that photo of Joan on her wiki page; I didn't quite have the courage to do it myself. I know she likes that photo. Also, I submitted my photo of John Sias: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/San_Francisco_Chronicle

--Nancy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.23 (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

You saved me from getting involved in an edit war over multiple articles there. Glad it wasn't only me who thought the links were unnecessary. Mabalu (talk) 15:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Your edit for NationStates is very much appreciated. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

kifner

Hi McGeddon: I added another photo of John that I took in 1994 in nyc. I'm sure he's still alive! --Nancy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.9 (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Can you please make that picture so that both pics are same size, please? It makes me feel unbalanced somehow, I really tried to work out some visual balance. Hafspajen (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC).

Answer at my page. By the way, what Wooster? He is called Bertie. Hafspajen (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Yudkowksy

Hey, I was wondering how you think we should go about phrasing Yudkowsky's education. Since not many people know about Yudkowsky, I figured I'd cut to the chase and ask someone who does. My concern is that "self-educated" is an oversimplification of the information and that its safer to stick closely to the source. What do you think? Inanygivenhole (talk) 07:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Fazlur Khan

As an editor at Fazlur Khan, you may want to visit the page to help prevent an incipient edit war involving an anon IP. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


Hello there. The sentence "Khan, more than any other individual ushered in a renaissance..." is directly found in pg 78 of this book it is not made up: http://books.google.com.bd/books?id=rF1IFsQ0wdcC&pg=PA78&redir_esc=y the last paragraph it is not over blown the book is written by an engineer. His innovations did bring a major change is skyscrapers please read all the references sources carefully. E.g http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?37163 Thank you

Also please come to the skyscrapers talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

As for this sentence it is not overstatemet. In 1960s there was a major change in design system for skyscrapers before they were of rigid steel frames but aft his innovations they are tube design. This is why "renaissance" due to these major changes. You just tagged the concern like i've seen articles with those tags snce 2007 and nothing is still done. Okay so what about this one? --119.30.39.151 (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

the other supporter of khan is not me

108.27.114.64 this user who was in favour of khan is not me. Please check locations with Ip locatioh checker please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 10:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


http://www.checkip.com/ip/108.27.114.64 use this website to see locations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 10:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 11:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Apologies, I misread the IP as being one of the several that - assuming you to be User:Aalaan - you have been editing from since your block. I have restored the user's comments. If you wish to contribute to the conversation, you should submit an unblock request on your talk page and get your account reactivated. --McGeddon (talk) 11:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

What can you reactivate or will it be some other guy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

It'll be whichever administrator happens to review it, almost certainly someone who is unfamiliar with the block and will assess it neutrally. (I am not an administrator.) --McGeddon (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Alright but can you help me? Like u can write down yes this guy will be better now so unblock him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.151 (talk) 11:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I've cleaned up your unblock request for you (you edited the example text instead of pasting it below), and an admin will check it in due course. Only you can vouch for your future behaviour. --McGeddon (talk) 11:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


Now, the statement abou khan and skyscrapers renaissance:

The sentence "Khan, more than any other individual ushered in a renaissance..." is directly found in pg 78 of this book it is not made up: http://books.google.com.bd/books?id=rF1IFsQ0wdcC&pg=PA78&redir_esc=y the last paragraph it is not over blown the book is written by an engineer. His innovations did bring a major change is skyscrapers please read all the references sources carefully. E.g http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?37163 Thank you

As for this sentence it is not overstatemet. In 1960s there was a major change in design system for skyscrapers before they were of rigid steel frames but aft his innovations they are tube design. This is why "renaissance" due to these major changes. You just tagged the concern like i've seen articles with those tags snce 2007 and nothing is still done. Okay so what about this one? --119.30.39.151 (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.208 (talk)

You should raise any content concerns on the talk page of relevant articles, if and when your block is lifted. Thanks. --McGeddon (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for your kind words of welcome, McGeddon!

Jeffsmack (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Koi

What is not relevant about our informative extra reading, when the content about those three varieties is so thin? I don't understand what isn't 'appropriate' and I do feel you have made an error of judgement on this one, especially when other references on the page point to lesser content than ours. Disappointing. Plus calling our resource spam is rather abusive. How would you feel if you happened to have a website that any content you created was called 'spam' despite taking several hours planning and writing it? Furthermore, this reference is allowed: http://koisale.com/inprogress2/ourkoi.php - what part of that link doesn't contain advertising, and what do I get out of reading that page compared to what we have contributed, which may I add was an honest contribution to a page that people could find useful. Please review your decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.81.221.238 (talk) 11:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

IP vandalized again

The following IP User talk:65.51.181.126 has vandalized again after you gave him a "last warning" for vandalism in February. I think they should now be blocked. Thank you. Cadiomals (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

rakesh biswas page resolve it

please edits the errors in rakesh biswas page ..all the information provided by user is genuine .thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakesh biswas01 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Boris Johnson

Thanks for the edits on my edits, its made me think more clear on what to post about. Sorry still learning. Kings regards Sarah1971 18:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

March 2014

Thank you for your message. It was not meant to be advertising. Those books consist of great photos and are free to download. I think they are a great visual help for anybody who wants to learn more about Munich. Thanks! Anna Karolina Anna Karolina Heinrich (talk) 15:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Biswas

Thanks for that, I should have checked dates, but they are both blocked anyway. Were you suggesting that the IP was guilty of disruptive editing? I didn't read it as quite an admission to being the blocked user, although it's very likely Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Duh... I should have realised, block changed, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, 02 blocked by Pete, how many more to go? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:05, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

New users and deleted pages

I understand the user was blocked for some reason. However, I strongly believe Langlit19 is a new editor that doesn't know too much about editing and creating article. Be patient with new users. Calling them "trolls" indicates that you belive that these editors have malicious intent in their actions. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 11:28, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi im going to Tell you

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(Other Theme not from Darkar Company) Werevertumorro doesn't understand English but Gabriel Montiel say's that couldn't will be More Videos again because Werevertumorro has a low of subscribers and it doesn't grow in up Since 2011 has been grow on Many Views and Subscribers but now in 2014 is a Former and Werevertumorro ending this video like Adiós Werevertumorro that means Goodbye Werevertumorro it could be had parts 1 and 2 and Bye for Werevertumorro.

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Removal of reference

Why did you remove the reference to a website that computes liars dice odds? It has a table and everything which is would be useful to anyone who is interested in learning more about liars dice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.98.158 (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I am unable to understand exactly what was inappropriate with the reference I had added to the PageRank article. Please clarify exactly which kind of links are not 'suitable' for an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhruvanand93 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Global Metropolises Category vs Largest Cities by Population

Hey there, McGeddon. I am currently creating the Global Metropolises category & the Largest Cities by Population (Globally) category. I'm not desperately attached to keeping both categories, but I do think there is a subtle distinction. At this point, my plan is to add the 100 largest cities to each category but I think that as other's contribute to the categories they may grow to contain different datasets/cities and certainly people will find each caytegory for different reasons, from different searches on the search engine. I was inspired to create these categories because I was frustrated by how regionally atomized information was on the cities category page, and it seems to labor intensive to me to constantly edit and update pages like the "World's largest cities, since the same cities are usually going to appear on the list, but they are constantly changing ranks with each other. Does that make sense? Why do you want to delete the Global Metropolises category?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasMikael (talk • contribs) 17:15, 20 February 2014‎

Twenty Questions Page

Dear McGeddon,

Some external links did removed by you, but you should consider that the links are subject of the page! nadafy.com is an academic project in machine learning field, its similar 20Q.net in the skin but different in algorithm and code behind. The project need to be played to get more feedback from its functionality ratio during times to analyse learning rate per decision. Do you want to delete it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.98.110.228 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 25 February 2014‎

March 17

Alaykam-as-Salaam McGeddon. I noticed that you reverted my edits to 2010s in fashion regarding the wearing of small ponytails by British metrosexuals. If Messrs. Jenner, Proudlock and Essex are not wearing ponytails, then kindly explain what these are:

Joey Essex: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/28/article-2570190-1BE840C600000578-865_634x564.jpg

Ollie Proudlock: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/09/article-0-1B4A43F500000578-893_306x217.jpg

Bruce Jenner: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/14/article-0-1C47C5DB00000578-543_634x800.jpg

Obscure SSP block you asked about while I was on vacation

Ooh boy. For that one I'd probably have to go look at the original AIV report from back in February—something I am not inclined to do while my brain is still on Beijing time. My guess is that someone reported it and another, nearby IP, which I then found was making similar edits. Daniel Case (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Copy Editing

Dear McGeddon,

Thanks for answering! So many reversions of my copy-edits remain unexplained that your message makes me smile. :)

-- From your edit history it looks like some of your edits are causing problems when you're copyediting a reasonably well-written article which lies outside your area of expertise - fixing obviously ungrammatical sentences is fine and useful work, and there's a lot of Wikipedia that needs it, but when you simplify a technical detail for what you perceive as readability, there's a real danger that you'll change its meaning and detract from the article. --

You may have misinterpreted my copy-edit: some words and ideas are implicit and therefore omittable. E.g., in the sentence "Platform A can support up to 10 tons" prepositional phrase "up to" can be omitted because unless Platform A can support only 10 tons (this detail should have been mentioned) then it also can support less than 10 tons. I rarely intentionally simplify technical detail because it rarely exceeds encyclopedic depth; most of my simplifications instead are unintentional, and I apologize for having made them. :(

-- Checking your most recent edit, you correctly fix the ungrammatical "smaller and unique in shape over the other ESPs", but stray beyond mere copyediting by removing details both intentionally (the fact that ESPAD's attachment is "unlike ESP-1" is lost, as is the detail that ESP-1 was carried "into orbit" by a Cargo Carrier) and accidentally ("The Unity Module it like ESP-1" seems to be missing some words, and no longer refers to the platform's power source). (I'm assuming that these changes in detail were unintentional, since you described it as just copyediting - if you know about ESPs and were making corrections, removing details is obviously fine!) --

Continuing my example, if "Unlike Platform A, Platform B can support 20 tons" follows the first sentence, then "Unlike Platform A" can be deleted because unless Platform A's ability to support 20 tons was absurdly unmentioned, readers can infer the dissimilarity between the platforms' load capacity. "into orbit" can be deleted because the Cargo Carrier would nowhere else carry the ESP-1; analagously, writing "I with my shoe stepped onto the street" would be wordy because readers would assume that I wore shoes. Whereas I blush at my grammatical accidents. >_<

-- Perhaps it's worth you focusing more on fixing flat-out bad grammar and typos, and being careful when touching content which is already accurate and grammatically correct, and merely inelegant? --

I carefully copy edit that content. Tangentially, I likewise copy-edit many other works and thereabout receive almost no complaints.

-Duxwing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duxwing (talk • contribs) 01:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


-- Thanks for the response. I'm not sure I see your point about "inferring dissimilarities" - if the article doesn't mention Platform A's load capacity, but mentions that of Platform B, there's nothing to suggest to the reader that the two load capacities are explicitly different. Platform A's capacity may simply be unknown. Similarly, although a reader who knows what an Integrated Cargo Carrier is will understand that whatever it carried must have been carried "into orbit", a reader unfamiliar with the technology wouldn't be able to infer this without clicking through to read a second article. There's no harm in including such small details if they help the reader to understand the subject; a word in a sentence might be "implicit and therefore omittable" to an expert, but Wikipedia readers are not all experts. --

The article mentions both platforms' load capacities without saying that one exceeds the other or that platform A cannot hold 20 tons: any layperson would understand that 20 tons are more than 10 tons and therefore that Platfrom B can bear more weight than platform A. A reader unfamiliar with space technology would think that the Cargo Carrier is a spacecraft because all surrounding context describes space.

-- You say "I likewise copy-edit many other works and thereabout receive almost no complaints" - eight editors taking the time to leave a message on your talk page with concerns about your copyediting style over the past year is a significant amount. And even just glancing at your most recent edits from the past week, you have four different editors reverting your copyedits with concerns over accuracy or style ("edit mostly obscured meaning", "rvt to version before copy-edit - much clearer", "Sorry, but copyediting also needs to preserve subject accuracy", "Previous version had better grammar and spelling"). There is clearly some kind of problem here! What do you think this difference of opinion is down to, and how do you think it can be avoided? --

These other works are not on Wikipedia but on Wikihow, too many specialized Wikis to count, scores of pages of fiction from many authors, technical documentation, and GUI text. My edits thereto are almost always liked; whereas my edits to Wikipedia usually get mixed reception, and today an angry mob of editors has suddenly reverted all my recent edits. >_< However much I err, I wonder whether word's spreading has caused this sudden reversion increase.

Obviously a problem exists! I just don't know what it is because however many messages I send to reverting editors, almost no-one detailedly explains why my editing is bad. :( What I see as horridly tangled and wordy they see as elegant, causing many conflicts. Nimbus227 has greatly helped me, from examples deriving principles and telling me that I am not copy-editing but stylistically rewriting articles. These principles and that detail are important. :)

This difference of opinion may boil down to some grammatical differences:

I write: [Subject] [preposition] [adverb] [indirect object] [verb] [direct object] Most people write: [Subject] [indirect object] [verb] [adverb] [direct object] [preposition]

The latter order confuses me because it violates the English principle of writing description before objects and jumbles the sentence's structure. For example of my point of view consider the first stanza of "Men of Harlech":

"Tongues of fire on Idris flaring / news of foemen near declaring / to heroic deeds of daring / call you Harlech men" makes sense to me because the passage's most important parts--"Tongues of fire," "news," "heroic," and "Harlech"--are first. If ignoring rhyme scheme the passage were, "Tongues of fire flaring on Idris / news of foemen declaring near / call you Harlech men / to heroic deeds of daring" the passage would baffle listeners and not climax on the poem's focus: "heroic deeds of daring". Granted poetic poetic license authors can violate this rule; e.g., "Misty Mountains Cold"

"The pines were roaring o-o-on the height. / The winds were moaning i-i-in the night. / The fire was red. It flaming spread. / The trees like torches blazed with light."

Repeatedly panning readers' imaginations from subject ("pines," "winds," "fire," "trees") to field ("height," "night," "spread," and "light") creates an epic scene that seems un-Wikipedian--not least because the entire poem biasedly tells the story of Smaug's unprovokedly and dastardly attacking the dwarves' mountain hall rather than as a fiasco of greed, cultural myopia, and failed interspecial relations. :D

Perhaps I should sometimes write prepositions after verbs. What do you think?

If to age is to callous over one's sympathy, then I shall remain a I child forever. (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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I intend a neutral, concise, and logical style: I said that putting prepositions before verbs seems more logical and Wikipedian whereas putting verbs before prepositions seems more confusing and poetic, and I exemplified this point by comparing Harlech Men and Misty Mountains only because the former uses my style whereas the latter does not. :) Also, Men of Harlech would not sadden Welshmen because the song recounts a Welsh victory.

If to age is to callous over one's sympathy, then I shall remain a I child forever. (talk) 20:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Inexcusably Belated Reply: I want to know your specific complaints.  :) If I know exhaustively and exactly, whether generally or specifically, what you believe to be wrong with my editing, then I can correct your error or my editing.

Duxwing (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


Fully agree : Your edits are getting a lot of complaints and you make edits on topics you know nothing about and instead of helping you hinder!2b8634f3@opayq.com (talk) 10:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC) Sorry no I was agreeing with you about McGeddon's Edits not your edits Robby44 (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
Thank you for your editing of A Beautiful Life (2008 film). Bearian (talk) 19:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Jennifer Government: NationStates -- deleted section and reliable sources

Thank you for your kind welcome, but I would like more information or some advice regarding Talk:Jennifer Government: NationStates, particularly the deleted "Possible Abuse" section. I and another editor have raised unanswered points and I would appreciate your input. Essentially, the "Possible Abuse" section meets WP:VERIFY/WP:RS and the rest of the article really does not. After a month (in which NS staff have commented on this issue) no new sources have been added to the original article and none are likely to be. WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:CONTEXTMATTERS indicates that rules of NS, events on NS, announcements by the site owner, etc., are best sourced from NS itself. WP:3PARTY will almost never exist. What are your thoughts? Assuming I wish to follow-up, I assume reversing your edit deleting the Possible Abuse section would be bad form. Should I seek WP:DR and, if so, how? Thank you in advance for your time and any assistance. --Po-tee-weet (talk) 01:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

You need some humour in your life than just rules, rules, rules

Fine, my apologies for the earlier comment. Your more thorough explanation makes more sense why would it might be bad if someone would start ripping the image and claim on wiki it was stated it's free for use. Then what, there's no way to upload a representing image of the person if the previous one is awful without making it open for use for everyone?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Otbap33 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 April 2014‎

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For cleaning up spam at Service of process. Bearian (talk) 16:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

My Reference, unsure if I am contacting you correctly

Didn't the Youtube link I included as a reference count as a citation? it was video proof so I think it should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieLourenco (talk • contribs) 10:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the cheery...

...welcome. (Somewhat rare these days, when edits are critical.) Not a new hand, just do not login when editing outside my limited professorial specialties. TY again, and look forward to working with you. LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out unsubstantiated claims

Hey thanks for pointing out my error on the SoftAtHome entry. I'm a newbie at this. I removed the offending sentence and also your proposed deletion - I hope that's what I'm supposed to do. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebul2 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Tree of life

Much altered or extended with new sections etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.203.49 (talk) 18:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cameleon (programming language)

Hi McGeddon,

What's missing in this page to be valid ?

Myosis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myosis.sh (talk • contribs) 14:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Swedish Greeks

Dear McGeddon You have removed the link to a page with all Greek associations, football clubs, schools and more in Sweden from the Wikipedia page "Swedish Greeks". I guess it's because the list is in Swedish? I do beleive the visitors of "Swedish Greeks" would find this list very interesting. I find it very appropriate. Would you agree if I wrote the list in English? http://www.aswedeingreece.com/2012/04/grekiska-foreningar-klubbar-skolor.html

You have also removed the link to "An easy fast way to fix a zipper! Repair without cost." from the Wikipedia page "Zipper". I added the link because I like to help people and I thought it would be very interesting for the Wikipedia visitors. http://www.aswedeingreece.com/2012/09/an-easy-fast-way-to-fix-zipper-repair.html

Kindly regards, Eva in Athens, Greece — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvainAthensGreece (talk • contribs) 09:29, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Isambard Kingdom Brunel

Not sure if it was intentional, but in either case please restore my comment that was removed with this edit [4]. Widefox; talk 05:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

My mistake - it was just that you'd moved my comment, not deleted it. Now I'm halfway through restoring I may as well finish. Widefox; talk 13:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Caleb McDuff Photos

Hi,

Thank you for reviewing my article and making changes. Hope I am replying to your message correctly? The photo's are taken by SL First Magazine primarily for their use, and are then given to Caleb McDuff family for their use however they wish, as long as SL First is mentioned in caption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigmacFAS (talk • contribs) 15:41, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Personal computer

Yes, I deleted the part of the Z3, because it is a computer, and not a personal compuer. The Z3 should stay on the page: COMPUTER. In addition The Z3 is not the first computer, first it is the Z1 or Turing computer.


Provacitu74 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Provacitu74 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 6 May 2014‎

I have inserted as an object the same thing that I wrote to you, I did it later. sorry but I'm no expert and I do not speak English well. I hope you can understand and have patience.

Provacitu74 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Provacitu74 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Are Rainbows British, Or Are They Found Elsewhere?

Dear McGeddon,

I'm curious why you changed all the text of "Rainbow" to British English using a script made for that purpose. I thought such changes were intended only for articles concerning British topics, or specifically of British origin. It's not a problem, just wondering.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Rainbow&diff=605945910&oldid=605942668

Megapod (talk) 21:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Programma 101

Hello if you had any doubts about the veracity of the sources, in relation to Programma 101 ", this is a documentary of History. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkI04PkTZTc

The title is "Program 101:Programma 101: La máquina que cambió el mundo"

Do you speak Spanish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Provacitu74 (talk • contribs) 06:50, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

If there are policies of "fan" removal, there are links that also might be needing to revisited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.67.44 (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC) 

Edit: why would fallingfruit.org be allowed and not dumpstermap.com?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.67.44 (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Tile (software)

LOL you removed that awesome fact about Zoboomafoo!!! ;D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raisonraison (talk • contribs) 10:41, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi McGeddon, I am gonna do the learn to edit Wikipedia in under an hour course when I get a chance... but for now I have a question:. I think Tile should be added to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects but I'm not sure if I should use the $2.6M figure in main Tile article from last year when they kicked off the campaign, or try to find a more current number because they've continued to sell a lot more "preorders" since then (and are still taking pre-orders). I see Twitter posts with numbers on the order of "I just became Tile backer number 185000", so by now Tile could have twice as much $ crowdfunding???

(talk page stalker) You should go with what reliable sources report. TechCrunch is such a source, Twitter isn't because it's user-submitted content without any editorial oversight. I could claim to be Tile backer number 3,389,132 on Twitter; that wouldn't make me so. Huon (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Pueblo Clowns

Let me know what you think about the capitalization and formatting of the alternate term "sacred clown" in the first line. Ngebendi (talk) 09:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Elite: Dangerous MMO, single galaxy and instancing.

Sorry for taking so long, but here is the relevant part of where David Braben talks about the single galaxy and instancing. HyperspaceCloud (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


Tea Culture

Hi McGeddon,

Thanks for letting me know about my link. I just tried to replace that dead link with Black Tea link. You found it inappropriate, may i know what type of links is appropriate for replacing dead links.

Thanks

Reliability of sources

Hello McGeddon , Sorry for my english. Your attitude is not objective and rational , the same things you can find also in the History Channel documentary , (it's a U.S. channel ) . But maybe you think that the History Channel is not very reliable ... If there is not a encyclopedia that says this, (or maybe there is , I do not know), it's just because we Italians have invented everything , we do not give weight to our findings and our historical treasures. Pompei for example, is falling apart and no one gives a shit , we gave the Mona Lisa to the French ( 9 million visitors to the Louvre each year). We have millions of works of art from 2500 years ago rotting in cellars , we Italians hate ourselves . North and South Italy hate each other , in Italy if you walk 1 km , changing the emphasis, changes the cheese, milk, wine , bread, meat, fish , etc. etc. in just 1 km people change . Is a strange country , in fact it is not a country , because here there is no patriotism, is a country Masonic familist country . Only the World Cup unite Italy.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Provacitu74 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 11 May 2014‎

2048

Get what you meant. Changed to official cover of 2048 game.--Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 07:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Michael Shermer discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I chose editors who had participated in discussion on that talk page previously. There's nothing wrong with 3O, but there's nothing wrong with a consensus discussion either. I prefer the latter because it gets more voices to form a broader picture of the community.
As for a "few more hours", the discussion started two days ago, and so far, no one has joined the discussion apart from the two disagreeing parties. What would a few more hours do? Nightscream (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Lloyd Pye

I reverted your removal of the source. If you feel your removal is valid, just post a comment on talk and re-remove the source. - - MrBill3 (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Google Self-Driving Car Project

Apart from the "verified" symbol on the Google Self-Driving Car Project page, there's this from Google's blog: "If you’d like to follow updates about the project and share your thoughts, please join us on our new Google+ page." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdxuser (talk • contribs) 18:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

To: User:McGeddon All "legal threats" have been rectified as per the regulations. Your claim should be altered, since you made this claim after the fact. The information had already been modified according to the rules.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Europa6 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 May 2014‎

Kevin Howar5h

Hi, I agree with your edit on Kevin Howarth. Was just attempting to add some kind of referenced first paragraph to serve as a proper introduction. Personally I wouldn't have stopped there, but trimmed that awful 'Early Life' paragraph too. How about it? Picknick99 (talk) 09:15, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

OMG

Hi McGeddon,

Who are you?

All i know is that i'm busy updating a page so that it is factual and updated and you seem to be revising it so that it makes no sense and repeats.

What is going on??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thandi moyo (talk • contribs) 14:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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