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April 2017

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts), from its old location at User:Markfi/sandbox/Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts). This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I've been doing} 20:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone should take a virtual tour of the temple at www.tao.org to see it. I will be uploading a few pictures when my 4 days are up.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts) (April 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UY Scuti was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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03:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)Markfi (talk)OK, now I'm really confused. I go to this "approved" page in the category: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Ma-Tsu_Temple_(San_Francisco,_California). All I see for validation is a link to their website, and an unsubstantiated reference to connect them to a temple in China. There aren't even any pictures from the inside of the temple. Then there's this one in the category: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Thien_Hau_Temple,_Los_Angeles. All references are based on their website. Yet both these temples made it into the category. So, what makes them different from ours? tao.org. Here is where a visiting master came to the temple: http://tao.org/TempleHonored.jpg Markfi (talk) 03:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of articles exist that probably should not. So just pointing out that an article on a similar subject exists does not prove that the article in question should also exist; it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and listed it for deletion yet. One of the articles that you mention for deletion is a case in point, since it doesn't appear to meet the notability requirements either, and today I have nominated it for deletion. As for the article you are seeking to create, it is insufficiently notable in its own right but it could exist as a section in an existing article, so you will now see that I have merged it into the Alex Anatole with its own section, and created a redirect so that if someone searches for the Temple of Original Simplicity they'll be taken directly to the section in the Alex Anatole article. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts) (April 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The article was reviewed only a few hours ago and was declined. You've re-submitted for review, but not addressed the problems with the article that the previous reviewer explained. Please fix the article by adding some references that clearly indicate why this subject is sufficiently notable that it should be included in an encyclopedia. Please don't re-submit before you address the issues.

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Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts) (April 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Since you last submitted the draft two days ago, you have added three photos to the article. These do not help address the issues with which it falls short of being an article that should be accepted as a part of an encyclopedia. Firstly, the article doesn't have any references. Please read the guidance links which explain what that means. Only once there are some references can we consider whether the article is notable. The temple would need to be notable in its own right, not just because of who founded it. If it is not notable in its own right it should not be the subject of a dedicated article; instead it could be a section in the Alex Anatole article. Please don't re-submit until you've addressed these issues. Feel free to ask for help if you need it.

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Markfi (talk) 01:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)Yeah, you people were a big problem when I tried to get the Alex Anatole page accepted a long time ago. Go back and look at the taurine excrement I went through for that! Anyway. The big problem is you folks don't know what you don't know, and Taoism is so esoteric, those who know are few and far between. I asked you to look at the other Taoist temples in the US. Notice you only see the outside, except for one. That one has a little altar table and a picture of the host god, not even a statue. Notice the size and quality of the statues in the Temple of Original Simplicity in the "temple tour" at tao.org. You know why you don't see the inside of the others? They don't let "Gaui Lo", which is a derogatory term the Chinese use for white people, into temples. So, no white people can: 1) get in, or 2) take pictures. Now, go to Tao.org. Take the temple tour. Also, there are a handful of pictures from within the temples in China that were taken by Alex on the website at tao.org. Now let this sink in for a minute or two. They let a "Guai Lo" not only take pictures inside the temples in China, but they gave him audience. This is a huge deal, and I can understand why you don't understand this. Now "google" "taoist temple" and look at the images. Notice the vast majority are only from the outside. Also, notice the few that are inside, are usually temples outside of China. So, Alex Anatole, is allowed to take pictures inside temples in China. What you can't understand is that the master IS the temple. The statues at the Temple of Original Simplicity are rather large and unique. You have no example of pictures from in those other temples in the US, yet you consider it superficial that you do for the one here. Again, unique? Do you have any pictures as breathtaking as those from a temple in the US as you do from this? You see those foxes on the edges of the photo? Those were gifts sent from the master at the Fushima Inari mountain temples https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fushimi_Inari-taisha. And you know what? Your description is wrong! It's not a temple that "sits at the bottom" of the mountain. It goes all throughout the mountain, it's just that foreigners and non-acolytes, are not allowed in the other parts of the mountain. Somebody approved that article because they believed someone knew what they were talking about, who really didn't!![reply]

I took this line from the Fushimi Inari page: "Foxes (kitsune), regarded as the messengers, are often found in Inari shrines. One attribute is a key (for the rice granary) in their mouths."

Alex even asked the master if anybody asks questions about what's in the mouth of the foxes. He said, "We just tell them it's the key to the rice grainery. Nobody ever questions." Foxes have either a pill (the female) a parchment (contract) or key(the male). They are the "keys" to immortality of the soul. The pill is "the pill of immortality". The parchment is a contract the acolyte signs with the Foxes to attain the possibility to immortality, and sometimes the parchment is represented by a "key". You can find this information here: https://www.amazon.com/Tao-Celestial-Foxes-Way-Immortality/dp/150063879X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493085077&sr=8-1&keywords=Alex+anatole.

So even though your information on that page is researched and approved, it's wrong...

On this, you'll have to do the research yourself. This will be as unique a window as you will ever get, outside of what is on the website: tao.org, on the inside of, not only a Taoist Temple, but one that contains a Fox Hall.Markfi (talk) 01:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC) I challenge you to find one like this. Do the research yourself.[reply]

Oh, and here's a copy of the email I received from the insurance agent I recommended to Alex...tell me where to forward it to you:

Tony Boynton 9:16 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me Back several yrs ago Alex had Sotheby’s come out. The problem he has with the insurance is nothing is appraised which is an inherent risk since most everything is so unique that even Sotheby’s said there were only some items they could grasp and appraise accurately. I also had a great company we have used for yrs called The Appraisers Registry send their top person for oriental antiques and we ran into the same problem.

I’ve never had a situation like his in my 30 plus yrs but most is so rare and one of a kind items.

Tony Boynton Boynton Insurance Agency, Inc. 72 River Park Street Needham, MA 02492 781-449-6786, 781-449-4269 (fax) www.boyntonins.com 55 .

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Markfi (talk) 02:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)Sotheby's mean's nothing? So people have spent BILLIONS of dollars there over the last THREE hundred years based on.....? http://www.sothebys.com/en/news-video/blogs/all-blogs/sothebys/2017/03/sothebys-history.html O.K. Their experts mean nothing. The Appraisers Registry means nothing. And who are you? An expert in Taoism? An expert in Taoist temples? An expert in Taoist artifacts? You of course been to China and visited the temples there, right? How about the ones in Taiwan? Singapore? You understood, by looking at the picture of the entrance to the Fox Hall that those "tapestries" on the sides were Yao ceremonial tapestries from south east Asia of which there are only THREE existing, complete, sets in the world. You of course know the two original Taoist families? Of course, you know the origins of Taoism. You know what Bon is? Do your research. All you are doing is depriving those who use Wikipedia of true knowledge while proliferating the belief that the key in the Inari fox's mouth is to a grainery! OMFG http://tao.org/HarvardPluaralismProject.jpg http://tao.org/TempleHonored.jpg As I said before, you have pictures of the outside of the "other" claimed temples. Here you have an actual view inside. Yet, that means nothing. I guess 7 pictures of the outside of buildings is much more authentic then views from the inside.[reply]

Markfi (talk) 02:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)So, does the Harvard Pluralism Project Count? http://tao.org/HarvardPluaralismProject.jpg And in case you think Sotheby's is so inconsequential here's the Wiki page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Sotheby's Markfi (talk) 02:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Temple of Original Simplicity (Massachusetts) (April 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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There are still no references in the article. Did you read about [reliable sources]? It isn't for other editors to have to research the topic - it is down to the author to prove notability through citing other sources.

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Markfi (talk) 18:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)More from the Harvard Pluralism Project: http://pluralism.org/profile/center-of-traditional-taoist-studies/ "http://pluralism.org/profile/center-of-traditional-taoist-studies/" Markfi (talk) 18:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Markfi (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)does the Harvard Pluralism Project Count? http://tao.org/HarvardPluaralismProject.jpg Markfi (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Markfi (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)Yeah, I understand. You don't understand what you don't understand, yet you are a gate keeper. I showed you the email, which I would be glad to forward, from the insurance agent who had SOTHEBYS come in. I understand, from your point of view, they don't know what they're talking about. As I said nobody there can possibly know, yet you are able to judge what is true and not true. Very Cartesian of you....Markfi (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Markfi, a breathtaking picture, or an email from an antiques insurance expert doesn't help establish notability. Has the temple been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself? Are there reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, television documentaries, or websites, that you can refer the reader to, which clearly demonstrate the notability of the temple? Wikipedia does not accept articles based primarily on what the subject or the article's creators say about themselves. See WP:WHYN Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Markfi (talk) 03:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)::http://tao.org/temple.html Guess what's on here means nothing. SOTHEBY's means nothing (some of the greatest experts in the world). http://www.sothebys.com/en.html They have been in business since 1744! The people who have spent Billions over the years based on their reputation of authenticity means nothing. Of course you've been to the temples in China, and the ones in Taiwan and Singapore. I guess these have no value: http://tao.org/Globe_Old_Philosophy.pdf http://tao.org/TempleHonored.jpg http://tao.org/HarvardPluaralismProject.jpg http://tao.org/temple.html. And of course you are an expert in Taoism? You have been to those 6 or 7 temples of which you only have pictures from the outside? You recognized that picture of the Fox Hall where those tapestries on the edges are Yao ceremonial painitings, of which there are only THREE complete sets in the WORLD. So basically, Wikipedia sits behind their computer as gatekeepers to....what? The problem is you don't even know what you're seeing right before your very eyes.Markfi (talk) 03:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC) Markfi[reply]

Markfi (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)(talk) 18:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)So, does the Harvard Pluralism Project Count? http://tao.org/HarvardPluaralismProject.jpg And in case you think Sotheby's is so inconsequential here's the Wiki page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Sotheby's Markfi (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Markfi (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The new user tutorial can help you avoid future problems. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of Center of Traditional Taoist Studies

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I realize there aren't many, but the Center is noted in both the Harvard Pluralism project and in the JSTOR index under Louis Kamjathy's catalog under its previous name, "The New England Center of Tao." https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Center+of+Traditional+Taoist+Studies%22

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