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Hi Maragm, Thanks for your diligence, I also checked that website and noticed the copying was fairly obvious. Have removed that part from the English version as well. Best - --ClarkSui (talk)

Hi Maragm, I'm not very good at all the coding, just like the topic and am able to speak both languages so I started translating pages. Not sure exactly what code to use to indicate that the page was translated so I will just start writing in the references section that the pages are generally translated from their Spanish equivalents. Please advise if this is not correct. Best, Clark — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkSui (talk • contribs) 08:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the call out, I will look into how to make everything citing the translation. In terms of Pedro Fernández de Fuentencalada, firstly, regardless of the spelling error, I am unsure how to change the name, but there is already a Pedro Fernández de Castro from a different time period >http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Pedro_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_Castro . Do not know his nickname so would not know what to change it to. I originally picked Fuentecalada over Castro for that reason. Best, Clark — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkSui (talk • contribs) 09:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

As you are involved in the Spanish lines and have worked on the Lasso de la Vega family, please note that the page linked to Pedro Lasso de la Vega appears to be a different person according to the dates mentioned. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Laso_de_la_Vega (For your reference). --- He is referred to as the 2nd head of house on the "Casa de la Vega Page" (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_de_la_Vega), he is reffered to as the predecessor of "Garci Lasso de la Vega I" on his page (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garci_Lasso_de_la_Vega_I), and on his own page he is listed as being between Garci Lasso de la Vega I and Diego Gómez de Aza. Refer to the succession boxes.

Hi Maragm, good observation on the three Counts of Alva, better to leave the arms off. In terms of changing her name to Sancha Sanchez of Pamplona, I had thought about it when creating the page but that name already links directly to Fernán González of Castile, one of her husbands.

Sancha González, wife of Fernando Pérez de Traba

I note that our article, apparently citing Barton, names her as daughter of Gonzalo Ansúrez, yet Torres Sevilla has her as daughter of Gonzalo Peláez (and wiki.es shows both). Do you have any insight? Agricolae (talk) 01:07, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Agricolae, They don't seem to agree, but here's what I have:

Secondary sources: Margarita Torres, as you mention, has her as the daughter of Gonzalo Peláez and his wife Mayor Muñoz in page 112 in her book on lineages of León and Castile. Yet in p. 179 she mentions Sancha (not her marriage) as the daughter of Gonzalo Ansúrez and Urraca Vermúdez as confirmed by a charter in 1124 in Corias where Urraca make a donation for the soul of Gonzalo. In pag. 336, she again mentions that Sancha is the daughter of Gonzalo Peláez.

• Canal Sánchez-Pagin, also mentions in p. 77 in his work on the Casa de Traba that Fernando Pérez married twice, firstly, with Sancha González de Lara, daughter of Gonzalo Peláez.
• Thesis on Casa de Lara, Vol. I, p. 70 - Antonio Sánchez Mora says that following Pellicer (Inf. Casa Sarmiento), Salazar y Castro identifies Sancha González, daughter of Gonzalo Núñez de Lara as the wife of count Fernando. Pérez de Traba but that currently, it is known that she was actually the daughter of Gonzalo Ansúrez and Urraca Vermúdez.

Primary sources

• 1134, April 22 (Tumbo de Lorenzana, doc. 44): Countess Sancha and her siblings divide their inheritance, donating part to the monks at Lorenzana. The siblings mentioned are Pedro, Rodrigo, and Cristina Glz.
• 1142, April 24 (Lorenzana, doc. 154): countess Sancha makes a donation to the monastery mentioning her grandfather, Vermudo Ovéquiz.
• 1149, may 1 (Lorenzana doc. 43): Countess Sancha in a private donation mentions her great-grandfather Alfonso and her grandmother Vita Alfonso. (She must have died after 24 July 1161 when she is mentioned as the widow of count Fernando Pérez).

Even though I added in es.wiki that some authors believe that she was the daughter of Gonzalo Peláez, it would seem from the primary sources (particularly the charter in 1142 where she mentions her grandfather Vermudo Ovéquiz) that she was the daughter of Gonzalo Ansúrez and Urraca Vermúdez. On the great-grandfather and grandmother that she mentions in 1149, I would guess that Ansur Díaz's wife, Elo, could have been known by a cognomento (Vita) and that this Elo "Vita" would have been the daughter of an Alfonso. Also, perhaps the fact that she had two brothers, Pedro and Rodrigo Glz (as attested by the charter in 1134), would have been the cause of confusion, identifying them as Pedro and Rodrigo Glz de Lara, who definitely existed. Regards, --Maragm (talk) 06:25, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

pd. It mentions in the article on Fernando Pérez de Traba that Sancha was possibly his second wife….I don’t think so. It also says that the earliest record of the marriage was in 1134, when there is a charter in 1122 in San Martín de Jubia where Fernando and his wife Sancha make a donation. I think Fernando was married to Sancha and did not repudiate her when he took Teresa as his lover, since Fernando and Sancha appear together from the first charter in 1122 up until at least 1153 when Fernando and Sancha together make a donation to Sobrado.

Thanks. The charter naming her grandmother would seem to be definitive. I note that we (wiki.en) are showing Pedro Ansúrez as son Justa Pérez. Torres Sevilla gives him and brother Gonzalo as sons of Ansur's first wife, who she doesn't name. Has anyone made this identification of their mother as Elo Alfonso in print? Agricolae (talk) 18:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Oops...this is confusing. I have Ansur Díaz married to Elo and then to Justa. I have a note from the Monastery of S. Román (not the charters, but the prologue) and it says that Ansur Díaz was the father of Pedro Ansúrez but not with his second wife, Justa, but from his first wife, Elo, and this is taken from "Advertencias, Tome XXXV of España Sagrada". What I have, and yet I must confirm, is that Ansur Díaz & Elo were the parents of Pedro and Gonzalo Ansúrez. With his second wife, Justa, he had Diego "Anaya" Ansúrez. Justa, however, was not Pérez, but Fernández. See "La familia condal de Carrión" by Gonzalo Mtz Díez, Congreso de Palencia, Tomo III, p. 588-589. He says that Justa, wife of Asur Díaz, with her son Diego make a donation to Sahagún (doc. 648) in 1065. On Diego Ansúrez, it quotes "ego Iuxta Fredinandiz una cum filio meo Didaco Assuriz" Gonzalo Mtz Díez goes on to say that Diego Ansúrez had properties in Asturias which he had inherited from his mother Justa, grand-daughter of Ansur Sarracinez "Ego ...Didacus Ansuriz comes....secundum illa uirificauit comite Ansur Sarazinis auius mater mea comitissa Iusta" (Auius used not just for grandfather, but sometimes for great- or great-great-grandfather). Salazar y Acha in his article on the Osorios, p. 154, says that Justa was the second wife of Ansur Díaz and that she was the daughter of Fernando Flaínez and that when she became a widow, she retired to the family's monastery of San Martín de Pereda. Again, in 1076, march 26 in the Cathedral of Oviedo, count Diego Ansúrez makes a donation saying that he had inherited it from his mother Justa's grandfather, called Ansur Sarracínez. Yet, if Justa was the daughter of Fernando Flaínez and Elvira Peláez, I cannot find this Ansur Sarracínez in the family tree, unless he was (and this is because the only "blank" space I have in Justa's family tree) the father of count Rodrigo Gutiérrez's wife, whose name is unknown, parents of Pelayo Rdz, father of Elvira Peláez. On Elo, I don't have more on her, except that, as the charter dated 1149 mentions, Sancha González had a grandmother named Vita (Elo "congomento" Vita???) Alfonso who, would be a different person, of course, from the Elo Alfonso (daughter of count Alfonso Muñoz & Aldonza Glz) who was married to Pedro Ansúrez. Sorry I can't be of more help here. --Maragm (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

That was a slip on my part - I meant to say Justa Fernández. Torres Sevilla agrees that Pedro was by the first wife (whose name she doesn't know) and Diego is by Justa, and by implication, the mother of the other sons remains unknown. As to Ansur Sarracinez being grandfather of Pelayo Rodriguez, I see a charter in which the two witnessed one after the other. He looks to be a contemporary of Pelayo, and not two generations earlier, but as you say, the pedigree is pretty full back to that point. Agricolae (talk) 02:51, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

My library

Hi Maragm! I noticed that you just created the article My library with a list of books and no article content. This isn't the kind of thing we can have in the main article space (see Wikipedia is not a directory) but it looked like it could be useful for you creating articles, so I've moved it to User:Maragm/My library. I hope you don't mind this too much, and let me know if you have any questions. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 09:16, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Díaz de Haro and the Haro Family descended from Diego Lopez V

Hi Maragm,

I know you are very interested in this subject so I wanted to ask you whether it would be correct to assume the son of Fernando Diaz would the successor to this line as head of house even though they lost all their claim to Biscay (I put him as Diego Lopez VI because I dont know why else he would be named in the head of house fashion). Maria Diaz then became the head of house following the accidental death of Diego Lopez IV, transfering power to her son, Juan Yanez de Castilla y Haro, who was killed after a brief stint in power sending the title back to Maria. Would the title then revert back to the line of Diego Lopez V and his family as he was the brother of Lope Diaz III. I found an interesting article that pinpoints the downfall of the Haro's to one incident where Lope Diaz III "allegedly" was assassinated while threatening Sancho IV with a drawn sword [1] (Los ricoshombres y el rey en Castilla: el linaje Haro (1076-1322)). The article chronicles the Haros up until Lope Diaz IV who actually still held title over Orduña, Balmaseda, Belmonte de Miranda and Villalba de Losa, some of which were conceded by Ferdinand IV himself. The before mentioned article claims their line went extinct as he died without descendants, but Lope Diaz IV actually had a brother Ferdinand who inherited those titles upon his death and passed them on to his son, the before mentioned "Diego Lopez VI" I can only assume he was named Diego Lopez because he was meant to be the successor to this line. Further, this page, [2](REGIMEN MUNICIPAL EN VIZCAYA EN LOS SIGLOS XIII y XIV: EL SEÑORÍO DE LA VILLA DE ORDUÑA), chronicling the history of Orduna, fails to bring clarity to this question for lack of record during the time in question... any thoughts? --ClarkSui (talk)

Hi ClarkSui, I'm more familiar with the early Haros, not so much these ones. What I have is that Juana Núñez de Lara (daughter of Juan Núñez de Lara and María de Haro, who married Tello Alfonso (son of Alfonso XI and Leonor de Guzmán) called themselves señores de Vizcaya. Juana was made a prisoner by king Pedro I in 1359 and was executed in Seville in 1359. I have a quote from a charter in the Monastery of Leyre dated 20 december 1353 when Tello and Juana, as señores de Vicaya, made a donation to the monastery. Tello did not have any legitimate issue (plenty of illegitimate children). In his will dated 1370, he left Vizcaya and Valmaseda to his brother Enrique and I have a note that the title of Señor de Vizcaya was then given by king Henry to his son Juan (future Juan I of Castile), so the title was assumed by the crown.. I'm sorry I can't be of much help here, but no, I don't think Fernando Díaz had any claim to the title. I would also suggest you change Juan Yáñez de Castilla y Haro and perhaps eliminate the "Yáñez" since he was better known by the other names. Best regards, --Maragm (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Maragm, I moved the Juan de Haro article as per your suggestion. No worries, thank you for the help. I know that the crown took possession of Biscay, I just dispute the disappearance of that line of the family regardless of the loss of Biscay. I think many of them went on to the colonies, especially in South America.--ClarkSui (talk)

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Álvaro Núñez de Lara

Hi, Maragm. Thank you for the visit and the shout-out, and thank you especially for the creation of the Álvaro page. I've translated articles on three of his foes, and have been hoping that someone would write him up. I feel like I've been circling the man. Cheers, ADAMGARRIGUS talk 21:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool. I'm currently working on Antonio de Herrera y Tordesillas. Once I'm done with that I'll start on Álvaro. ADAMGARRIGUS talk 23:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I've added Villamayor to my list. I just skimmed the article but was impressed by the thoroughness of the citations, something that es.wiki seems not to be great at. I'm 99% finished with Herrera and posted it. There's no hurry on Álvaro. I may soon be too busy to do much here. But I would appreciate your letting me know when Álvaro is finished. I will certainly get to it at some point. Thanks a lot! ADAMGARRIGUS talk 17:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I took a peek at your newly finished article and it looks wonderful. I will read it tonight. Circumstances are such that it may take some time for me to translate it (it may not). It's at the top of my list for sure. I will let you know when it's finished. Thanks again; this is way cool. ADAMGARRIGUS talk 18:25, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I have completed and posted the translation of your article. Please take a look when have a moment & let me know if you have any feedback. I also took the liberty of fixing about five typos on the Spanish original. Last of all, I've got a history question. There is a line in the Spanish article: "todos conformando las arras entregadas previamente por Alfonso VIII a Berenguela con motivo de su matrimonio." Now, my understanding of the arras is that they're given by the groom to the bride. If so, then instead of Alfonso VIII here (Berengaria's father) it should be Alfonso IX (of León, her husband). If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll fix the English. Thanks! ADAMGARRIGUS talk 21:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Lope Díaz de Haro

Hey Maragm, thanks for your insight here. With regard to Lope Díaz de Haro, son of Diego López V de Haro, you are right, I only named him such in the thinking of the family line instead of the actual title holder but understand that there are doubtless others with the same name. In terms of consistency with other English language biographies when this comes up, I think it makes more sense to go with his title after the name. Note that I refer only to the English wiki and believe that the Spanish wiki should follow whatever format is more typical there. Will make your suggested changes.

Just curious, if a fictitious "Pablo Gonzalez de el Sótano" from a different house were to have theoretically assumed this title after Diego Lopez V, would his name then be changed to Pablo Gonzalez VI de Haro? I assumed not and it was for this reason that I named him as Lope Diaz IV. -Clark Sui (talk) 08:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey again, also it looks like the Spanish version of wikipedia still names him as being Lord of Biscay. Best, -Clark Sui (talk) 08:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Also made changes to the page of Fernando Diaz de Haro [3]. Where I had named a Diego Lopez de Haro - "Diego Lopez VI de Haro". Have changed it to "Diego López de Haro (Lord of Orduña and Balmaseda)". Best, -Clark Sui (talk) 08:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks for the heads up! Best, -Clark Sui (talk) 08:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Help on Urraca López de Haro

I included the three tomb images in the commons category bearing her name. I'm not sure how the interwiki factor works, but at least it's a start. Pretty much just back-engineered it. I didn't include the family tree image, because I couldn't tell whether it pertained to her; all you need to do is edit the image page and add [[Category:Urraca López de Haro]]. Hope you enjoyed your trip! ADAMGARRIGUS talk 18:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Spanish translations

Could you help translate Sancha Raimúndez or John of Castile, Lord of Valencia de Campos?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 05:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello (or hola!)! It is me again. If you are from Spain or know Spanish, please answer me:

• Is it good to say "princess" instead of "infanta"?
• I made article "Úrsula Murayama" on Spanish Wiki. I can speak Spanish fluently, but sometimes I make some mistake in orthography. Can you, please check this?

P.S. If you are busy, just ignore this. Be well! (I hope we will be good friends.)--Miha (talk) 12:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

García Fernández de Villamayor

Some months back you alerted me to a new article on es.wiki for Villamayor. I'm just letting you know I just got around to translating it. If you have time, please take a look at it and let me know what you think and if there are any problems. Cheers! ADAMGARRIGUS talk 21:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Saludos

Hola Mara, no me prodigo mucho por aquí, pero si necesitas algo, ya sabes por donde estoy. Un abrazo --Ecemaml (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Por cierto, quizá me decida a volver por aquí. Tenía algunos proyectos olvidados por mis deficiencias con el inglés. No te pediré que me traduzcas artículos, pero ¿podrías corregir mis pobres intentos en algún artículo largo? Hablamos --Ecemaml (talk) 20:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

BTW, I hereby authorize you to track my contributions and correct them whenever needed :-P --Ecemaml (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC) PS: vamos, que si puedes revisar mis contribuciones y ver si he metido demasiado la gamba, te lo agradezco

Supongo que te refieres a la primera acepción de literate ("alfabetizado"). Sí, sé leer y escribir, aunque en inglés lo de escribir me cuesta... por eso necesito revisión. Mira si el título de la imagen que he metido en el artículo del U-77 está bien, please. Un abrazo --Ecemaml (talk) 17:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC) PD: por cierto, sobre las imágenes puedes subirlas cuando quieras. Me avisas y yo las reviso. De hecho, se va a montar una con el rollo de las imágenes y la URAA... Pero we've got plenty of hand to take care of said issue... you see, if I warn anyone, I'm evading my block so... up to them

Weird things can be seen in your talk page... --Ecemaml (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Saludos...

... desde la Wikipedia en español, donde se te echa de menos.--Chamarasca (talk) 08:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... done

Greetings Maragm. Have tagged it with speedy delete (author request). Regards, --Technopat (talk) 09:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Reply

Greetings Maragm. Hope things are fine. Had to make a real effort to make my presence known at the article – even at the risk of overlinking... Re your triple-whammies, there's plenty of scope here, there 'n' everywhere, so hope you can keep the pace up :) Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

El premio real de la Gran Reina

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Greetings and... reply

Greetings Maragm. Many thanks for the pic. Not sure which appeals to me most: the cat itself or the file title... However, before getting down to the res, I'd just like to point out that you are mistaken in thinking that I actually have a heart to soften.

Regarding the template you ask about, the exact equivalent is {{under construction}}: "article is currently in the middle of an expansion or major revamping, but I prefer {{in use}}: "article is undergoing a major edit for a short while". These are standard templates provided by Twinkle, an excellent gadget which I strongly recommentd you adopt. Among the several frustrations I came up against over at es:wiki is that TW no longer works there and, despite my requests, no-one seems interested in solving the problem...

As for autopatrolled, a) you can check your "status" by clicking "Preferences" at top right of your page (next to "Watchlist"). You can see what the available access levels are here, and b) the criteria for "autopatrolled" normally requires "prior creation of 50 valid articles, not including redirects or disambiguation pages". You (or anyone) can request it here, but as you haven't – yet – reached that number, I'm not all that sure you'd get it. On the other hand, the above-mentioned "50 valid articles" is a "suggested standard" and administrators can use their discretion in granting it. So if you like, I could approach an admin and ask if they would be willing to do so in your case. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 22:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I've set your account to autopatrolled (sorry for the delay, I've been away). Enjoy! Andrew Gray (talk) 23:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Vermudo/Bermudo

I'm not sure why you prefer Bermudo over Vermudo, but in the future you don't have to change every link. Just create a redirect from the Vermudo title to the Bermudo one. Srnec (talk) 13:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Un saludo

¿Cómo van sus cosas? Se la echa de menos en Wikipedia. Hace varios días le mandé varios correos electrónicos, ¿los vió?. Un abrazo.--Tiberioclaudio99 (talk) 09:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Comprendo que esté enfadada pero mucha gente tiene conflictos y no abandona. Ya sabe que es un consejo de amigo y que se lo doy con la mejor voluntad. Un abrazo.--Tiberioclaudio99 (talk) 09:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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RE:Many thanks

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Did You Know?

Hi Maragm, I noticed the article about Pedro de Atarés that you recently wrote and I nominated it to appear on the main page in the Did You Know? section. The discussion about the nomination can be found here in case you want to read it or chip in.--Carabinieri (talk) 04:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pedro de Atarés

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Ponce de León

Buenos días. Ponce de León, al descender de Ponce Vélaz, era de origen visigodo, descendiente (supuestamente) de Audecanem, duque de Cantabria (ver Piferrer, genealogía.) Así mismo, Vermudo y Nuño son nombres germánicos. Parece que el nombre Oveco es sinónimo de Ovidio.

Referente al nombre Vela, que viene del visigodo Veila (Vegila), algunos autores han dicho siempre erróneamente que podía tener su origen en el vascuence 'bela' cuervo, que es falso (ver Meñaca y su estudio sobre el linaje de los Velas)- incluso en la propia página de la Real Academia de Lengua Vasca, señalan que Vela (o Bela) procede lógicamente de Beila, "Nombre surgido del visigodo Vigila"

aquí un enlace de la página de la real academia de la lengua vasca: pinchar en buscar nombres de persona, y poner Bela o Beila: [4]

Un SALUDO. Pietje96 (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Pietje96 Salazar y Acha, says otherwise and he is a pretty reputable genealogist and medievalist. Piferrer is not reliable and has been surpassed by modern genealogists and historians. Vermudo, is probably of Suevo origin. Nothing confirmed about Oveco being synomimous with Ovidio, that is just speculation and unsourced. --Maragm (talk) 10:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC) pd..if you want I can ask a couple of contributors here pretty well-versed in these genealogies to chime in and give their opinions. pd...ad as you say above, Ponce Vélaz "supuestamente" descendant of Audecanem. Can you confirm and reference every filiation from Audecanem to Ponce Vélaz?

Menudo estropicio ha causado usted en el artículo del famoso e ilustrísimo explorador, tal y como su referencia incongruente del origen vasco de los nombres Oveco y Vela. Dicho 'medievalista', Salazar, refiere a un supuesto origen del nombre vasco 'Vela', cuando en la propia academia de la lengua vasca, como le acabo de exponer, dicen lo contrario. Ver: Emiliana Ramos Remedios: Aportaciones del análisis antroponímico al área vasco-románica (siglos IX-XII). La documentación de Santa María de Valpuesta. Rev. int. estd. Vascos. 55, 2, 2010. 499-566. Enfatiza: “Todo ello nos lleva a concluir, como ya anticipó Menéndez Pidal, que existe un solo nombre, de origen visigótico, que evoluciona gráficamente a través de nuestra documentación, desde Vigila a Vela, que no parece tener nada que ver con el vasco vela 'cuervo', y que tiene una vida paralela a la de Velasco (<vasc. Berasco), con el que acabará confluyendo.” Revise la etimología de la familia de los Velas (Veila, Beguila, Vigila etc..), más allá del sufijo germánico -ila (que aparece en los reyes visigodos Suintila, Chintila, Agila y hasta en el padre de Don Pelayo, Favila) el Vigila lo encontramos incluso en el monje de la crónica albedense, y en el año 957 en Wigila, que era presbítero, y aparece como actor de la revuelta contra el conde Wilfredo II en el condado de Besalú. ¡No sabía que el nombre Vermudo, germánico, podría ser Suevo! Pietje96 (talk) 11:24, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Además, esta discusión debería de escribirse en el apartado 'ancestry', no en la página principal, pues carece de importancia. Pietje96 (talk) 11:26, 30 December 2014 (UTC)