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Juho Tolppola

My Finnish is not fantastic so I thought maybe you may be able to assist with adding additional references to this article I created. --Donniediamond (talk) 17:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

If you find adding them fun then who am I to stand in the way of your joy. --Donniediamond (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I have just had a chance to read over the article again. Excellent work on improving the article Mac Dreamstate. It looks so much better now. Thank you.--Donniediamond (talk) 12:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

WP:BOXING

Howdy. Usage of Welsh flags instead of British flags, was the spark that caused the dispute at Joe Calzaghe, which led to the Rfc at WP:BOXING. Which flags to use, sovereign state or non-sovereign state, will be an issue. Particularly concerning the United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 14:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

It's too bad that the Rfc at WP:BOXING didn't result in no flags :( GoodDay (talk) 19:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

user:Matthiasberoli

You may be interested in knowing what this user, who received a barnstar from you, lately did... --Ali1610 (talk) 14:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Please don't revert it without checking everything. Many of his edits were good, he created many articles with a good quality, but also added different questionable or fake sources. Can you please list these articles alongside with his first edits he made to them? I will have a look at them and check whether the sources he provided in these cases are reliable or not. --Ali1610 (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, this was a very revealing removal. So I have found even some more fake links that have to be excluded. As you can see, only four of the articles were not compromitted by his work... --Ali1610 (talk) 20:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

He used (faked) images as sources, so I simply removed all images given as sources, because they in general are not reliable and can be faked easily. This included links to http://equipboard.com/ and some images uploaded on de:Directupload, and some from https://www.everythingcollectible.com/ on which you cannot see anything because they are too small. Plus, I removed all references to offline books he added after checking if the particular book really exists (which was not the case in any of the ones he added, sadly). Also I removed all links to the blog http://recordsales.2xik.com/ (defunct since mid-2015) because the there-given sales numbers had no source either. These were the ones given in your particular articles. In other ones, he used even more different "sources"... --Ali1610 (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, it all started with self-published sources on de-WP, which we at first tolerated. When questioning his work he simply moved to en-WP, where he appearingly thought to be able to deliberately insert data without being checked much. It saddens me too, as I like Eric Clapton, too, and because I was impressed by the user’s enthusiasm about his favourite subject. But yeah, this is an enciclopedia, so we have to work properly. And for the future we shall have a close look at any such edits in Clapton-related articles! Regards, XanonymusX (talk) 22:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

The user has been blocked indefinitely at German Wikipedia, too. I will check some of his edited pages here every day until every article is clean. This article has the fate of losing most bytes (13kB!) until now... --Ali1610 (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Professor Satchafunkilus and the Musterion of Rock

Hi,

I've seen that you're actively undoing / reverting many changes. But specifically speaking, about the Vaysel - Veysel change, while admitting that you're being confused about what to do as the publisher wrote the name wrong and Satch has corrected it, I think the same reaction is a bit narrow, and lacking in the name of article accuracy. I agree with you that on the track listing it should be left as is. However I also disagree with you about leaving only the album information (which is clearly wrong) and disregarding the official website information. I think that both of the information should be there in some form / explanation, as Satriani has apologized in his podcast [1] for the mistake made by the publisher and showed that he'd written the name correctly in his notes. Xalron (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Lomachenko

The Ramirez fight was a TKO. Watch the fight, it's on youtube. BoxRec is incorrect here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asifwhale (talk • contribs) 03:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Boxing style/stance

Thanks for the correction on Mike Tyson. I didn't notice it at the time, but the entry field in the infobox is "style", but it displays as "stance" in the article. Perhaps it has been discussed within the boxing project before, but would it be beneficial if both style and stance appeared in the infobox? If it is not appropriate to have both, I think it would be easier to avoid it happening again if the field was changed to "stance". I'm sure this sort of change is made by novice editors on a fairly regular basis. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I don't often edit boxing article, but will keep it in mind if I come across it again. Cheers, AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Boxing MOS

I think the silence you are getting is mostly like the reason for mine. No argument. Might mention that there will be a point where you have to let it lie. Until you do it is open to argument and change - we need some time for it to gain some history.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Let lie the whole MOS, or just the flags thing? From the flags contributors, of which there were thirteen altogether (including yourself, User:GoodDay, and me), only User:Fallengrademan went on to offer any opposing feedback regarding the rest of the MOS. I've since accepted quite a few of his suggestions, and happily so, but nobody else who had a strong opinion on flags has piped in—they've had more than a chance, so indeed it does sound like "no argument". I'm thinking maybe we should wait until June, which will make it exactly a year since I first appealed for standardisation. If the occasional IP—[2], [3]—comes along to object only via boxers' bios in the meantime, I don't see any reason to give them the time of day if they don't pitch in at the Project discussion. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I meant the whole MOS thing. It may be just me but every time something gets added it runs the risk of comments from left field. I am just suggesting that it has reached the point where you should leave it be and let it settle. With respect to the flags - that argument will not reach consensus at this time. As you say maybe try again in June.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Ah true. Yes, I'm pretty much done with it now—the elements that I added/changed today were on the cards for a while, after User:Fallengrademan suggested them, and I wanted to make clear to anyone watching the Project as to what had been done. The rest is all set in stone (barring the occasional layout tweaks that I make on the provisional MOS page), so I doubt I'll feel the need to announce much else until we make another push in June. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Cheers.Peter Rehse (talk) 18:54, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Request

There are empty tables needs to be fulfilled between 2005-2009 ski jumping world cup seasons. When you have time. No hurry. Thanks. Sportomanokin (talk) 12:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Saul Alvarez

Canelo's format is the same for Mayweather's Amir Khan and Ricky Hatton. If nobody changed theirs then there is no reason to change Canelo's and the way it was before you changed the format looks better I tried replying but couldn't get through. --96.254.36.116 (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Well then take the time to fix everybody else's page as well. I do not know all of the rules for Wikipedia as I only edit from time to time. I was basing the discussion by the other pages I mentioned. Thanks for the input. --96.254.36.116 (talk) 02:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

adding content

Hi, I had ot remove one of your changes because I could not find a support for it, please try to add links to support your changes, check out wp:verifiability and wp:rs thanks Govindaharihari (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I think the unlinked was the ip addie previous to yours, this one https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Sa%C3%BAl_%C3%81lvarez&diff=704041374&oldid=703810671 I thought that was you also and it did change the detail without a link, anyways, those articles are pretty messy, lots of unverified content and such, no worries Govindaharihari (talk) 07:33, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Daulis Prescott

To explain further about the "timewarped ref" edit, the accessdate was set in the future (i.e. 13 days from now) which seemed to be a typo, so it was checked and reset to today. Also {{cite news}} is not a style but a template which improves the consistency of citations. In this case, the citation as displayed after the "timewarp" edit was identical, except for the futuristic accessdate:

(before)

Walker, Howard (10 December 2012). "Walters knocks out Prescott to claim WBA Featherweight crown". The Jamaica Observer. Retrieved 23 February 2016.

(after)

Walker, Howard (10 December 2012). "Walters knocks out Prescott to claim WBA Featherweight crown". The Jamaica Observer. Retrieved 10 February 2016.

Note the earliest versions by the earliest contributors e.g. at creation, or at least with his correct name. Colombian subjects don't have a designated variant so should follow WP:RETAIN. Looking at those originals, a case could also be made that the accessdate part should go back to appearing like "2016-02-10". Hope this is a better explanation of the recent edits. Dl2000 (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Timothy Bradley

England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland are not sovereign states. Therefore, UK should be added. Just like we add US & Canada to Nevada or Quebec. PS - We're likely going to need an Rfc at WP:BOXING, to settle this. GoodDay (talk) 18:46, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Recommend you open up an Rfc, on this matter. Note: myself & Daicaregos are already in disagreement at the Bradley article. GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

BTW: If it had been entirely up to me? I would've removed all flags & locations from all the professional boxing bout records. IMHO, we should be showing only the opponents, date of bout, result of bout. In otherwords only boxing info. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Update - I've removed the states/provinces, sovereign states from the location column. To match with you removal of England, UK. If you were to make a proposal at WP:BOXING, to go with this style for all professional boxing records? it'll pass. GoodDay (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Ski jumping junior championships in infobox?

I have a question for you? Does lower competitive ski jumping championships like: Winter Youth Olympics, European Youth Olympic Festival, FIS Nordic Junior World Ski Championships and national championships medalists belong into infobox? In my opinion not. Some user just added bunch of those results to various ski jumpers. Sportomanokin (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Questions

Hi Mac Dreamstate!, I have a few questions to ask you about the Mos Guidelines you wrote.

• 1) In the section Weight class and sanctioning body formatting it is implied that "The sanctioning body and weight class should be linked separately; e.g., IBF flyweight." My question is why did you revert my edits in the notes column of Kell Brook and changed it to "IBF welterweight title", shouldn't it be "IBF welterweight title"?

• 2) There has been some controversy regarding the notes column beign too detailed, so instead of using the full venue/city/state/country (e.g., Brandberge Arena, Halle, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany) or venue/city/province/country (e.g., Club Social y Deportivo Mar de Ajó, Mar de Ajó, Buenos Aires, Argentina), why don't we just simply go for venue/state/country (e.g., Brandberge Arena, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany) or venue/province/country (e.g., Club Social y Deportivo Mar de Ajó, Buenos Aires, Argentina)? what do you think?--Fallengrademan (talk) 00:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ski flying

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ski flying you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MPJ-DK -- MPJ-DK (talk) 04:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ski flying

The article Ski flying you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ski flying for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MPJ-DK -- MPJ-DK (talk) 14:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Notability Criteria for boxers

Following discussion with you have been engaged in, I have put forward an amendment to the Notability Criteria for boxers which is up for discussion Here. Your in put would be greatly welcomed. --Donniediamond (talk) 09:32, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Professional Boxing Records

Anytime flags get re introduced to a boxers record we should leave it my friend dont you think? Most of the boxers pages have them so why not all? Once upon a time they all did, who's stupid idea was it to remove them anyway? Lorenzo9378 (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

RTD and TKO

Mac my fellow boxing enthusiast, got something to discuss. I noticed you made some changes to the RTD page which I'd edited, no problem with that except I think they may be a mistake, by at least one of us. See the thing is I thought the same as you, that TKO can only be the result if its a mid round stoppage by the ref. But it was infact you that made me change my own edit on there because I noticed you undid an edit that someone changed Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko result to a RTD, you changed it back to TKO becuase "his corner didnt pull him out, the ref did" which is correct but the stoppage came between rounds while the clock was stopped. So it appears TKO can be at any time (mid round or between) but has to be a referee stoppage, and RTD can only be during the minute rest period between rounds while the clock is stopped, but has to be the corner or fighters decision?

Pretty confusing I know and one other thing, the result of Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier 3 (aka The Thrilla in Manilla) was RTD and Boxrec states so, which is correct because it was clearly a corner stoppage between rounds. However, on Ali's page the result is stated as TKO which I have tried to change but some serious editor (but casual boxing fan by look of it), kept saying it was TKO because "mainstream media reports say so and they are most reliable sources". He couldn't seem to grasp that RTD is still a technical knockout/stoppage and they would have called it that in the media because its far easier than explaining RTD. Just wondered if you could back me up or does the page of a legend have to continue to be incorrect. Cheers Lorenzo9378 (talk) 03:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Religious Bias against Ali Raymi

I am asking you politely not to be biased towards Ali Raymi, there is no religion better than other, or any GOD better than other. Ali Raymi self-proclaimed GOD status is well documented. Why does it bother you? The IBI & UBO are fringe Championship belts, that is fine, why are you removing GOD? Rmwaisted (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Antonio Brancalion

Strange the What links here link shows nothing. But then again wikipedia just did an upgrade so maybe database issues. Should check again tomorrow.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Klara Svensson

Awesome work on the Klara Svensson article! DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 23:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Impersonation account or alternate account?

I ran across Mac Dreamstates. I suspect this was an impersonation account instead of an alternate account for you. If this was an alternate account, I can unblock it for you. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Canelo

I see you have changed Saúl to Canelo on Saúl Álvarez vs. Amir Khan. I would advise you to move the page to Canelo Álvarez vs. Amir Khan for consistency and also change Saúl Álvarez vs. Matthew Hatton, Saúl Álvarez vs. Ryan Rhodes, Saúl Álvarez vs. Alfonso Gómez, Saúl Álvarez vs. Kermit Cintron, Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Saúl Álvarez, Miguel Cotto vs. Saúl Álvarez and on all his opponents professional boxing record tables. Thanks. 80.235.147.186 (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Ali Raymi World Record? or Young Otto World Record

Seriously we can't just wipe out world records that survived over a hundred years, just because a modern boxer broke it. Restore it, its not Ali Raymi record, its how we remember Arthur Susskind, if it was easy the record would have been broken more often & fightnews will not write a feature article about it Q&A with record-breaking KO Artist Ali Raymi. We can deny our own bias, but lets not burn history books, that is what ignorant people do VanTaweel (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Lineal rd 3

You mean, your own created boxing/mos guidelines? Good luck! Seems like Floyd Mayweather Jr. page is immune to your edits. You should start there. User:Pacphobia (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:57, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

FAC: The Ecstatic

Hi. Would you be interested in reviewing my nomination of The Ecstatic for featured status? Dan56 (talk) 00:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

Please refrain from making test edits in Wikipedia pages, such as those you made to Lauri Dalla Valle, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you. GiantSnowman 07:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, I'll restore. GiantSnowman 07:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Tony Bellew

Hi, I noticed you updateing a lot of articles on the titles in boxing section. Came across Bellew's which needs doing as well, unless it's already on your to do list, apologies. cheers--Ruthless-paki (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Cover resolution

Hey Mac, can you lower the resolution to 300x300 on the two covers from United World Rebellion? Thanks and all the best.--Retrohead (talk) 11:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Brands and TV shows

I undid some of your edits to Anonymous Raw General Manager. Raw is a WWE brand (see WWE Brand Extension), it's also a tv show. When referencing the TV show the title must be italicized but we don't italicize the brand. An example of this would be: "On the August 12 episode of Raw, AJ Styles was drafted to the Raw brand".LM2000 (talk) 22:23, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Boxing

It works for MMA boxes it can work for boxing boxes no reason why it should be considered incorrect I haven't finished editing all the fights that's why half are done and half aren't due to the fact you keep reverting my edits JMichael22 (talk) 23:01, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The tables for boxing and MMA are exactly the same how are they different JMichael22 (talk) 23:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The smallness would help the cramped space and gives it a more presentable look JMichael22 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Good example JMichael22 (talk) 23:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Michael Spinks

Greetings, and thanks for the work on the article. You seem like a boxing fan. I'm not, but know a little bit about it and M Spinks. Google searches turn up no record of a published legal settlement for his suit against the Butch Lewis estate. I did read that a judge denied spinks the level of restriction against expenditures by the esate that his attorney requested. Given this info, I suspect that there was a quiet out-of-court-settlement. Have you heard anything like this? Tapered (talk) 03:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Template question

after making any addition or modification to the Muhammad Ali template, are you using a bot to upgrade all the WP pages containing this template? I've been using null edits manually, but there has got to be an automated way to do this. Soham321 (talk) 17:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

So, you hate citation templates?

I was reading through your userpage trying to figure out how you ended up with a pending change in the pending changes queue when I saw how much you hate using citation templates. I may have a solution to your problem: ProveIt is a Wikipedia plugin that is used to insert citation templates into the edit form. All you have to do is fill in the information it asks for, which is usually just the title, URL, and access date (for {{cite web}}, anyway). You can turn it on in your preferences. — Gestrid (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Golovkin-Brook PPV

In this edit you said Golovkin-Brook was not PPV but it was in the UK. It even states this in the article. The previous user was wrong in that they added regular HBO and stated the viewership. Several sources including Eddie Hearn and The Times says the fight generated 500,000 PPV buys in the UK.[4][5] 80.235.147.186 (talk) 20:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Boxing #2

I'm not introducing another format I'm just adding the full Month title instead of DEC 18, 2016 I write out the whole Month title December 18, 2016 that's not adding a different format JMichael22 (talk) 03:07, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Changing a format would be changing the entire look of the table not just changing a date JMichael22 (talk) 03:10, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Check this out Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months and years JMichael22 (talk) 03:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Per MOS:DATEFORMAT it says no where that placing the full date is unacceptable so if you really have a problem against you should discuss it in the talk section of the article JMichael22 (talk) 03:15, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

What are you not getting it says its helpful but doesn't say you can't place the full name of the Month no where does it say it can't be done it just recommends that the three letters would work for the template JMichael22 (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Your argument is going no where yes people agreed on a format but that doesn't mean that writing in a full date would change anything at all Three letters vs. Full date I honestly can not believe you are making a bigger deal of it then it should be their is no where stating that it HAS TO BE three letters no where does it say that no where JMichael22 (talk) 03:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

"The only one making a big deal of it is you" that is what you just said to me... okay how am I making a big deal of it when you were the one messaging me complaining about? I didn't bring it to your attention you brought it to mine you made a big deal of it don't try and blame me for this argument when you were the that started it okay thanks I will talk to who ever I need to to express my thoughts on the matter it doesn't seem to be you so I'll take it where it needs to go JMichael22 (talk) 03:34, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

I got to talk pages of the articles, I don't go to people straight up just to get into another argument I rather see more then one persons thoughts and opinions. JMichael22 (talk) 03:43, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Question

After the entire argument we had you I decide to take my thoughts to the talk page and once again you follow and you comment only you lay out how you want it to be so the question I have is why is it necessary for you to continue to follow and harass my thoughts and views third time you've done it I get how you feel about the table believe me I get it I know how you feel I wanted to see if I could get other peoples opinion but yet again its you I have to hear from your the only person who has told me my thoughts and opinions were wrong so next time please just let me hear from others JMichael22 (talk) 15:09, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Then leave me and my edits alone okay don't leave anymore thoughts feeling or opinions on my talk page okay for no reason again should you need to write me thank you JMichael22 (talk) 15:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

White Zombie albums

Hello, www.discogs.com says March 31, 1992 (La Sexorcisto) and November 14, 1995 (Astro-Creep: 2000). You can control. --PATATONE (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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George Foreman

Greetings. I fail to understand this edit. Per {{infobox boxer}} and many other infoboxes, the field autoconverts the first figures (imperials), so there is no need to tack on the bracketed metrics; likewise the manually inserted ½ symbols actually appear smaller than +1/2, which produces the same symbol but in a normal size. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. Reason I changed inches display is that with +, it shows the inches in real small text along with the fraction. The normal way of displaying feet and inches in English is with the feet and inches in full-size font and the fraction numbers in half-size font so they take the same height of the whole inches. The only way I can make this work is the way I have done. regards, Rod (who remembers the great days of Ali, Frazier and Foreman). Rcbutcher (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, then we might be seeing something different display-wise. It could be a simple font difference. Here's what both revisions of the article look like on my end: yours / mine. As you can see, only the ½ symbol becomes really small when I view it; not the text. I think we need a quick third opinion from a technical noticeboard to see what's going on here. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, my understanding is that fractions should display the same height as the full number e.g. 3ft 6½ inches. Incidentally, when I first looked at this, the inches and fractions on the George Foreman website both displayed small. When I test the fraction now, the full inches display correct size but the fraction displays larger. ?? regards, Rod Rcbutcher (talk) 04:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Heh, so it's playing up for both of us now. OK, what I'll do is get onto WP:VPT and ask if they could look at it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

There seem to be two issues : the Wikipedia standard for displaying fractions of inches (i.e. size) : we need to use a common display standard (hopefully there is one, if not we need one); and whether this conversion utility (the + thing) works correctly. regards, Rod Rcbutcher (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali

In reference to Ali being recognized as lineal champion from 1964 to 1971. The lineal champion is the man who beat the man. When Joe Frazier defeated Ali in 1971, he became the lineal champion. And in response to 1978 to 1980, Larry Holmes defeat of Ali made him the lineal champion. Sir, you are confusing The Ring magazine championship with the lineal championship. Lineal titles can only change hands in the ring. Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 04:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Ali was WBA champion 4 times. He was initially stripped of the WBA title for granting a rematch to Sonny Liston in 1964. He regained it by defeating Terrell in 1967 and was again stripped after refusing induction. He then regained the unified WBA/WBC titles against Foreman, then regained only the WBA title in the rematch with Spinks. Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 04:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The WBA Was Formerly The National Boxing Association, it changed its name to the World Boxing Association in 1962. Sonny Liston was the first WBA heavyweight champion (as Well as WBC when it formed in 1963 and Ring Magazine). Ali did win the WBA, WBC, Ring Magazine and lineal titles when he defeated Liston. The article clearly says so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmacmusicmagician (talk • contribs) 05:18, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

From Ernie Terrrell's page on Boxrec.com: Terrell defeated Eddie Machen by a fifteen-round unanimous decision to win the vacant WBA Heavyweight Championship onMarch 3, 1965. The WBA had stripped Muhammad Ali of the title for signing to fight Sonny Liston in a rematch, which took place on May 25, 1965 Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 08:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

From Muhammad Ali's page on Boxrec.com: On September 14, 1964, Ali was stripped of the World Boxing Association title for signing to fight Sonny Liston in a rematch. The contract for their first fight included a return clause, which the WBA did not allow. Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 08:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature-articles/20025-the-myth-of-qwhats-my-nameq-rip-ernie-terrell. An article proving that Ali was stripped of the WBA title before Terrell won it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmacmusicmagician (talk • contribs) 16:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=NN4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=sonny+liston+wba+heavyweight+champion&source=bl&ots=HvzAMIKSdk&sig=C41zZ5KG9_e-N1pmhTnLRJHqaM8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuwpH67trQAhUFxWMKHYULDJI4FBDoAQgcMAE#v=onepage&q=sonny%20liston%20wba%20heavyweight%20champion&f=false Another article from Ebony magazine proving that Ali was stripped of the WBA title. Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 16:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

December 2016

		The Special Barnstar
		For your efforts at the Muhammad Ali page in fighting vandalism and disruptive edits as well as for your constructive editing on this page. May you continue to keep an eye on this page always. Soham321 (talk) 17:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Soham321 (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

twinkle issue

My revert on Muhammad Ali was a good faith revert because that page has been subject to vandalism by IP editors in the past and that particular IP had not left any edit summary when making a change to the number of times Ali was called 'Fighter of the Year' by Ring magazine. I have no objection to you reverting me, both because you are a trusted editor and also because you gave a relevant link in your edit summary, but as I understand twinkle should only be used in reverting vandalism edits, not good faith edits. Soham321 (talk) 20:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

did some more investigation. it seems you can use twinkle to revert even good faith edits providing you specify in your edit summary that the edit you are reverting was a good faith edit. You might want to ask a more senior editor or an Admin about this. Soham321 (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Feedback request

could I get some tentative feedback about whether this material deserves inclusion in the main Ali article or if i should create a new article for this or if i should stop bothering with this content altogether. Soham321 (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Tyson Fury

Hi. FYI: That photo caption is about the Inter-Continental belt. Hughie never held the International title. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 19:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Just wanted to wish you a very merry Christmas and a very happy New Year. Soham321 (talk) 21:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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