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Good work with editing the song titles in compliance with the official song list published by the EBU. However, you didn't need to list the same reference in all 14 songs, as it is redundant. Next time, if you want to list the same reference in every line of a column, place it in the header. Cheers, Kosm1fentWon't you talk to me?17:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have noticed constant reverts by yourself on edits made by Madlen T. I'm not sure if you are aware, but the list that is published on JuniorEurovision.tv, has been purposely published using the English translation for each song (with exception to the Belgian entry for some unknown reason). It is a known fact that all songs in JESC are performed in the native language, and should therefore be shown in the main article list as that of the native language, with English translation shown next to it (in the column provided). A list of song titles are also shown via here if this helps. Thanks - Wesley Mouse (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Negative. The official song list is the one published by the EBU: [1] It features the versions of the winning songs that each broadcaster sent, and apparently most broadcasters have changed their song's title to one with a bit more "mass appeal". They are not translated in English. Kosm1fentWon't you talk to me?17:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) Sorry to say, but incorrect. The official rules for Junior Eurovision, which are also stipulated on the JESC article on Wikipedia, states strictly, that all songs must be written and sung in the national language (or one of the national languages) of the country being represented. Therefore, the list on each contest would include the song titles in both native language, as well as English translation. The EBU list for previous contest have always shown native language, But for whatever reason, they have decided to publish the list for 2011, using the English translations. Consistency should be kept throughout, year after year. Notability is vital. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The EBU lists the songs exactly how the broadcasters send them, just like every year. The language rule has nothing to do with that. The website does not mention any "English translation" (and the "translated" titles are far from being accurate translations), so it would be best if we sticked to that. Unless you want to argue with a primary source...-Kosm1fentWon't you talk to me?17:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is a known fact, as in previous years of JESC, that ALL songs MUST be performed in the native language (or one of the national languages) at the contest finals. There has never been the case of each nation changing their song title into English translation for the sake of the final for JESC. In the main Eurovision, there is no language rule - however in JESC there is. I'm not sure why the EBU have decided to publish the full list using English translations only - but when you read each subsequent article on the EBU site, you will see that each song being sent to Armenia is being performed in the native language of the representing nation. I'm not arguing the fact that EBU is a primary source - but even a primary source is known to publish "typo" errors from time to time. Nobody is perfect. But the rules - set by the EBU are the ones that stand really. And if the EBU strictly state that songs MUST be performed in a native language, then the list should also show that. There is nothing wrong in showing both native and English versions in the article, using the sourcing from EBU and ESCDaily in the respective columns. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have you checked the song titles on the ESCDaily site? I don't think that Armenia's national language is English, but their song is called "Welcome to Armenia". Same with Moldova and "No no". Same with Georgia and "Candy Music". So that kind of defeats your argument. Besides, the language rule is applicable to songs, not song titles. The point is that five broadcasters decided to change their song titles, for whatever reason, and they are fully entitled to do that. Kosm1fentWon't you talk to me?17:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide sources for each respective broadcaster, that shows they have decided to change the song titles into English. Until then, then the official JESC rules about native language remains. There are no sources (apart from the English translation list from EBU) that shows song titles being changed. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You never asked a question technically, only a questionable comment, in which you followed on by answering it yourself (which I found a little bizarre in all honesty). As for providing a source that states the EBU have published an English translation only. You only need to view the history of previous contests to see that native languages are always used - not to forget the official rules, which are very much covered by WP:N. Unless there is something that shows the rules have been changed, then we are not to assume they have just by viewing a list, which could easily be published into English translation for the sake of the majority of readers. Like I said previously, who are we to question the reasons as to why the EBU have chosen to publish in a different way than in previous years. facts are fact at the end of the day, and sticking to WP:N is by far more important, than to provide semi-incorrect details in an article. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So you say that after eight years of the EBU posting the "correct" song titles, this year they suddenly decided to translate them "for the sake of the majority of readers"? And not all of them, but just five songs? - leaving "untranslated" songs like Belgium (which yourself noted as strange), Ukraine, FYR Macedonia, Belarus and Sweden? - leaving Lithuania with the translated title in brackets (?!?!) - poorly translating the Dutch song as "Teenager" ("Ik been en teenager" means "I am a teenager") and the Russian song as "Romeo and Juliet" (instead of "Like Romeo and Juliet") - while never mentioning a single thing about translating the song titles in English? This goes beyond the usual "typo" error, i'm afraid.
I have to agree with Kosm1fent; as he has stated, only 5 countries song titles have been translated. Why would EBU choose to produce a list with only a certain selection of song titles translated to English? We have a source there which shows that some song titles have been translated to English, do you have any source to say that this is a typo by the EBU? Yes, songs must be performed in their native language, but there is no rule which states that the title of the song must also be in the native language. I say that since the EBU have published this list themselves, it should be one of the most appropriate sources for the song titles. Lukex115 (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't that "yet another discussion is going nowhere" Kosm1fent... it may be a case of miscommunication or even misunderstandings between us, which makes it appear like we are chasing each other in circles. On inspection of the official rules however, it does state the native language must be used, although the EBU and host broadcasters must refer to the song titles in English (as from 2006 onwards). I do find it strange that 5 songs haven't been translated though. Are the EBU taking drugs and confusing themselves (as well as others) with rules stating one thing, while they go about things in a completely different way. Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:30, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The EBU and host broadcasters must refer to the song titles in English? That definitely is not true, look at last year's song list. It contains many songs in a national language, as well as songs in English. E.g. Sweden's "Allt Jag Vill Ha", and Ukraine's "Mii Litak". Lukex115 (talk) 18:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm merely going off what I read, so please don't be uncivil by being patronising. Most ungracious of you. What I find strange though, is the EBU list itself shows majority English song titles, yet each article for the winning songs from their NFs (also published by the EBU) show the titles in native language. This list of native song titles is also published by ESCKaz.com (and they show their source as EBU), also ESCDaily.com show the same list of native titles. Would it be causing too much harm to show the list using both native and English, so that we don't offend people from each respective country? Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Uncivil? Patronising? I'm sorry but I don't understand where you've gotten that from whatsoever. Those articles are from a previous date, is it not possible that the song titles have been changed since then? Lukex115 (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've got to agree on that last bit. The official song list wasn't published until last week (I would post the link to that article, but my browser is reporting Oikotimes as infected. Lovely) Kosm1fentWon't you talk to me?18:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In reply to Lukex, I do agree that it could be possible the song titles have changed, as things are constantly evolving every second of the day. So in hindsight, yes the EBU may have got a list of "new English translated" song titles. BUt like I mentioned to Kosm1fent earlier and also on his talk page (and please allow me to quote myself). "Working on articles isn't a war to prove who is better than the other. Editors are a unit, a team; and should try hard to work together, even if it means making compromises that we may or may not agree with. We must think for the majority of people who don't edit - the biggest part of readers who would rather read what we publish, rather than contribute. Remaining as neutral as possible is very vital when it comes to publishing any article to a high standard. Think about the wider audience, and not just the small team of editors on a project. For it is better to cover all angles, than to skip vital ones all together."Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I agree with that quote, I'm not disputing that at all, I simply believe that we should trust the most reliable sources, and of course EBU is the most reliable when it comes to Eurovision. Perhaps it would be better to change the "Song" and "English translation" columns into "Song name in native language" and "Song name in English" or something similar? Lukex115 (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now I like the sound of that idea Lukex, very plausible indeed. Worthy of a bright idea award, me thinks. (I'll see if I can find one, and gift it to you in due course). Having the columns labelled in that way is covering all angles, which in turn may allow both columns to remain constant and without further alterations, as we'd be covering all aspects from the start. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nooo now I have that Bucks Fizz song stuck in my head, after reading "make their mind up". Oh dear, my feet are tapping in time to the song - help! I fear I may have to spring into dance mode LOL. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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So far 35 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Malmö. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article.
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Andorra, Czech Republic, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, and Morocco confirm they will not be present in Malmö.
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. 12 countries have confirmed their participation with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début.
4 countries have already selected either a song, artists, or both. With 6 national selections taking place these next few weeks.
Azerbaijan, Israel, and Moldova have yet to announce their national selection plans.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - Fifteen entries will perform in the first ABU Radio Song Festival on 11 October 2012. Please check for information on this contest as it happens and update the article accordingly.
ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Eleven countries have confirmed participation in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012. Please check for information on this contest as it happens and update the article accordingly.
Mongolia who had already selected their representative, withdrew from the contest on 14 September.
We could do with members working on creating Country pages for each participant. Please make sure to use reliable source when citing content. And for those unfamiliar on how to create a new article, contact someone on the project talk page or use a sandbox.
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
We are almost at the end of another great Eurovision year, with preparations now well under way for the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest. Individual entry articles are slowly appearing at Template:Eurovision Song Contest 2013, although as happens every year, there is tendency to create these article prematurely. Please don't create them without a good two paragraphs of information to post, and with at least two reliable sources of information cited - remember every article has to pass the Wikipedia:Notability guideline independently.
There is a lot going on at WT:EURO at the moment too, and every project member should have this talk page on their watchlist. The current RfC on country article layout is suffering from a lack of participation - myself and others may not agree with every suggestion made, but we won't bite people's heads off, so please feel free to comment! If you feel like you'll be out of your depth over there, you should know that it was a suggestion by a newbie that resulted in a complete re-structuring of all Eurovion templates, so you don't have to be an "old timer" to bring new ideas to the table! On the same page is a proposal to re-license Eurovision logos uploaded locally, and since this will have a big impact on how we handle logos, some further feedback would be appreciated.
As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
If you would like something to appear in the next edition of Eurovision Monthly, then please inform us at the Project Newsdesk.
If there is an article you think we should have? Request it here.
And finally... a massive thank you to all members of the project for your constant hard work on collaborating and contributing to Eurovision related articles. Keep up the good work team!
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion!
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Twelve countries have confirmed their participation with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début.
As the contest will be starting in the next few weeks, then the article may become subjected to vandalism from random IP accounts. Please be vigilant and revert any vandalism that you find. Thank you.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - On 11 October 2012 the first ABU Radio Song Festival took place in the Korean capital of Seoul. South Korea won the Grand Prix award with the song "For a Rest" performed by boy band Billy Acoustie. Danielle Blakey representing Australia won the gold award with the song "Fearless", Brunei received the silver award with the song "The sweetest memory" performed by Maria Aires, with Sammy Ray Jones also representing Australia receiving the bronze award with his song "Rinet". K-Town Clan representing Malaysia received the special jury award with their song "Party Animal" and thus finished in fifth place.
ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Eleven countries performed in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012. The contest was non-competitive and thus no winners.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
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With the festive season a matter of days away and 2012 rapidly drawing to a close, I'd like to take the time to reflect on the last 12 months as a project community, and look ahead to 2013. 2012 witnessed the period when Azerbaijan got to showcase their capital city Baku to the rest of Europe. Preparations for the contest were not the smoothest ever seen, but come the day of the contest everything seemed to have knitted together OK. Concerns over the longevity of the Junior Contest were also raised when the lowest participation ever recorded. Fans worried that the contest would be brought to an abrupt end, however, with 3 new countries debuting the contest went ahead as planned.
The project also seen the start of two new contests, ABU Radio Song Festival and ABU TV Song Festival, which were both staged in the Korean capital of Seoul. The host nation won the first edition of the festival. And so we look ahead to 2013, with Sweden hosting the Eurovision Song Contest for a fifth time, and for the second time in the city of Malmö. Vietnam is expected to host the 2013 ABU TV Song Festival, with the Radio Festival having a year break, which won't be hosted again until 2014 in Australia. Details about the 2013 Junior Eurovision Song Contest are still unknown. As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
And so I would like to take this opportunity to wish all our project members a Very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion!
Ukraine won the tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, in Amsterdam, Netherlands, with the song "Nebo" performed by Anastasia Petryk. Twelve countries participated with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
A Very Happy New Year to all members of Project Eurovision. I hope you've all had a fabulous festive season, whatever it consisted of. As you will be well aware the 2013 Eurovision season is already in full-swing with some countries already having selected their representatives and/or song. The national selection season will get busier over the next coming weeks, so be on the look out for reliable sources so that we keep the article as up-to-date as possible. Avoid edit warring too, by keeping in regular communication with fellow members of this project, as well as remembering to provide a brief detail of your contributions via the edit summary. Please also remember to check the project article clean-up list below, and help to improve the articles that are a part of our project.
As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
Here's to a prosperous 2013, and I look forward to working with you all in the coming months. Happy editing!
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion!
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
The Eurovision season is in full-swing, with many national selections taking place. Be on the look out for reliable sources and news content that may be used to keep the 2013 article as up to date as possible. There are also a couple of project discussions taking place at WT:ESC, it would be helpful if as many of the project members participated in them. Afterall it is your contributions that helps to keep this project alive. You have a voice, use it. Please could we also help to improve the articles listed below, they vary from stub articles that require expansion, to general tidy-up and additional sources required.
As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
And finally the ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 article has been awarded GA Class making it the project's second annual article to have been awarded this accolade. Congratulations to all those who helped to contribute to the article. Happy editing!
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion!
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
Eurovision-fever is vast upon us with all songs and artists having already been selected, and the contest itself is just around the corner. So we as a collective need to be as vigilant as possible when it comes to content being updated to respective articles connected to Malmö 2013. Please remember to use citations to reliable sources on everything. If in doubt, then use the article talk page and/or the project talk page for open discussion.
The project has yet again gained another accolade on an annual article with the ABU TV Song Festival 2012 receiving GA classification. That is now 3 within a year, with the first being Eurovision Song Contest 2012 back in July last year, and ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 being the second last month. Congratulations once again to everyone who has helped to contribute to those respective articles. Now that we're gaining high accolades, let's see if we can maintain that by continuing to work as a team.
Please could we also help to improve the articles listed below, they vary from stub articles that require expansion, to general tidy-up and additional sources required. As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
The eleventh edition of Junior Eurovision is scheduled to take place in Kyiv, Ukraine on 30 November 2013.
Please can we remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the article talk or Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
With less than a month to go until we find out who is the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, the article itself is already looking impressive and is written with such broad scope and covering almost every piece of news in an encyclopaedic style of course. The show hasn't even started and the article is looking very much like a GA-class article. Well done everyone for helping to maintain the high standards of editing on articles as well as engaging in open discussion via the talk pages. Hopefully this should be helping to increase team moral with the project - keep up the good work folks! The ABU have announced the host city for the ABU TV Song Festival 2013 which is due to take place on 26 October 2013. Please could everyone keep a look out across the worldwide web for any news on the festival itself and update the article accordingly.
On a different note, if anyone is feeling a little bit bored and looking for things to do, then why not help to improve the articles listed below, they vary from stub articles that require expansion, to general tidy-up and additional sources required. It is your contributions that help to improve Wikipedia's sustainability and legacy of being one of the largest reference websites. As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
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This article is coming along very nicely. Very impressed that members are adhering to the layout style and working cooperatively and peacefully as a team. Already the article is looking like a promising GA classification similar to Eurovision Song Contest 2012, and the contest hasn't even begun. Continue with the good work.
The contest itself begins next month, so please keep an eye out for any latest news that may be relevant for inclusion to the article. If in doubt, then open up a new discussion thread either at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2013 or the Project talk page, as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team.
The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
The article is already up and running. Your help to improve the article is gratefully appreciated. Keep a look out for news articles regarding participations etc. So far only the host nation Vietnam are confirmed.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
Well we have a winner of the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, and the 2014 article is already up and running. However, the work on the 2013 edition is still not complete. Over the next few weeks many editors will be doing the final clean-up operation on the article, and we hope to achieve yet another GA classification on the article in the coming months. We will of course keep you all updated of the progress via the newsletter.
But if you are already starting to get Eurovision withdrawal symptoms, then don't panic. We have the ABU TV Song Festival in Vietnam to look forward to, as well as the Junior Eurovision Song Contest in Kiev. Your contributions to both of these articles are gratefully appreciated. Remember it is teamwork collaborations that help to make this project a success.
As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts:
Bonnie Tyler failed to achieve GA status on 8 May 2013, see here for the rejection reasons. If anyone can help to improve the article based on the reasons, then feel free to do so.
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Just in case you've been sleeping under a rock recently, "Only Teardrops", by Danish singer Emmelie de Forest won the 58th Eurovision Song Contest with a score of 281 points.
In what is becoming a regularity with new Eurovision articles, they are potential subjects to vandalism, so be on guard and revert any vandalistic edits.
Also make sure you only add verified content to the article, including countries that have confirmed.
Avoid using the term "possible debut", "possible return", and "possible withdrawal". The term possible makes us sound speculative and is prohibited per Crystal Ball guidelines. Any such information should be added to the "Other countries" section, with a citation for verifiability.
The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
The article is already up and running. Your help to improve the article is gratefully appreciated. Keep a look out for news articles regarding participations etc. So far only Vietnam and Indonesia are confirmed.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - The Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) have confirmed that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Colombo, Sri Lanka hosted by national broadcaster MBC Networks. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
Another month has gone by and with plenty of ups and downs within this project. An RfC has been rebooted on the project talk page (see Project Alerts below for more details). The OGAE articles are undergoing a complete rewrite to make these articles look more presentable and give more encyclopaedic value to them. They were in a disastrous and neglected state previously, so it is about time they got some well needed TLC treatment given to them all. Eurovision Song Contest 2013 is looking near completed, and in preparation for a GA-class submission. A huge thank you to all those who have contributed on that article in the last 12 months - some WikiLove to everyone for your continuous teamwork.
For those of you who have got Eurovision withdrawal symptoms, then don't panic. We have the ABU TV Song Festival 2013 in Vietnam to look forward to, as well as the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2013 in Kiev. Your contributions to both of these articles are gratefully appreciated. Remember it is teamwork collaborations that help to make this project a success. And as always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
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There is a RFC taking place on the project talk page which could do with as many members contributing to it. Your say will help to achieve consensus on how '[Country]' in the Eurovision Song Contest articles should be stylised and written more encyclopaedically for the general audience and not just for the average ESC-fan. Please KEEP IT CIVIL!!!
Eurovision Song Contest 2013 will shortly be going through the annual process of a post-Contest tidy-up, in preparation for a GA-class submission. We will keep you posted of that process in due course.
OGAE and other articles relating to the organisation are going through an extensive rewriting exercise. Some of the article were in a very poor state, with the lead section of OGAE being an exact word-for-word copy of the "about us" section of OGAE's Facebook page. This was a violation of WP:COPYVIO, and has now been averted thanks to Wesley's hard work fixing the articles.
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A semi-protection has been placed onto the article to prevent further disruptive and unsourced editing from IPs. The protection expires in September 2013.
Remember to use reliable sources at all times. Anything unsourced and/or is using an unreliable source will be removed. A list of some reliable sources can be found by clicking here.
Avoid using the term "possible debut", "possible return", and "possible withdrawal". The term possible makes us sound speculative and is prohibited per Crystal Ball guidelines. Any such information should be added to the "Other countries" section, with a citation for verifiability.
Also make sure that you regularly communicate with fellow project members via article talk pages. Communication is a natural human skill, and we should be trying our best to discuss things with each other, so that we all know what is going on. None of us are mind-readers.
The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi in the Opera House. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
The article is already up and running. Your help to improve the article is gratefully appreciated. Keep a look out for news articles regarding participations etc. So far only Vietnam and Indonesia are confirmed.
The Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) have confirmed that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Colombo, Sri Lanka hosted by national broadcaster MBC Networks. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
And finally, the newsdesk are looking to recruit a couple of project volunteers to assist in compiling the monthly newsletters, as one of the co-ordinators has taken an indefinite period of time away from Wikipedia due to personal reasons. For more details see here.
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At the time of publication the project statistics were as follows
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Brief headlines Repeated policy breaking and several other issues are causing great concerns within the project. A few active debates taking place across the project that require urgent attention and participation from many members.
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There is a serious discussion been created at the WikiProject Eurovision talk page that requires utmost attention from all, or as many members as possible, as this could bear a huge impact on the project as a whole. Please click here to read the discussion, and participate peacefully. Thank you. This message was delivered at 04:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC) by MediaWiki message delivery (talk), on behalf of Project Eurovision Newsdesk
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