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September 2012

Hello, I'm Grammarxxx. I noticed that you made a change to an article, List of Young Justice episodes, but you didn't provide a reliable source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Grammarxxx (talk) 04:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit-warring - please stop

I am addressing several of your edits within the List of Young Justice Episodes and List of Green Lantern: The Animated Series episodes articles. In those articles you explicitly copy over material from the references you cite and paste them into the article. We have specific rules against plagiarism of this sort, under the link, WP:COPYVIO. This behavior has seen administrators permanently banned from editing Wikipedia. I think you are not sure as to how our policies work, and I would urge you to find an administrator friendly to you to explain these matters to you. I apologize for the harshly-worded edit summary when I reverted you for the second time, but it was your responsibility - once reverted the first time - to get on over to the article talk page and seek a resolution. Speaking frankly, there is no way in hell you are going to convince anyone by edit-warring…unless you are trying to convince people you want to be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
I hope you heed my advice and use the article discussion pages in both articles to make your point. If you revert again, I will be forced to escalate matters to the appropriate administrator noticeboard. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Concerning plagiarism, I'm not entirely certain what you're talking about. For one, edits such as these have been standard procedure not only on the two pages you listed but also for the same lists for Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and perhaps on other similar pages since I'm not the only one who makes them, and they've been that way since I've started editing (at least in a serious manner). Secondly, these are not taken from copyrighted material but from a press release made by Cartoon Network. If re-posting that material is plagiarism, then I apologize for my ignorance, but then again I've only been following the precedent set well before I started editing. In addition, I also see that you've labeled that source as unreliable, when it has been the source not only for similar edits in the past but is still used as a source on the page.
• Furthermore, you'll see that the same style is used on the Young Justice wiki, and if you'd like you can speak to one of their admins Tupka217, who is also an admin and highest-rated user on the DC wiki. I believe he can speak to my integrity as a Wikia editor who would not vandalize a page. Furthermore, you could also talk to Spencerz, who was recently promoted to admin on the Marvel wiki, specifically about an incident involving one user named Lordofninjas1 and the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy film. I'm certain he'll understand the reference.
• Finally, I don't see how it was my responsibility to go over to the talk page to seek a resolution to something I believed resolved. Grammarxxx tells me I need a source, so I provide a source, albeit I provided it in the wrong fashion. At that point, wouldn't you or any member of the Wikipedia community including myself have equal responsibility to make sure that the page was kept orderly? Instead of making the second reversion to my edit, why not properly add in the source yourself and then leave a message on my talk page about how to properly cite a source? Rather, you chose to revert my edit and leave the harshly-worded remark, which is undeniably the beginning of an edit war. Furthermore, the only reason I undid that was so I didn't have to type up everything over again (for what it's worth I didn't copy-paste the material but write it in myself so I could add in the links for the characters but that's beyond the point). Then, you went on to provoke Edit Wars again on the page for the Young Justice episodes as well as on the GL:TAS episode page, followed by this harassing message you left on my talk page I'm currently responding to. I am asking you to stop these provocations or else I will bring this to an administrator noticeboard. I will also remind you that you are breaking Wikipedia's "staying cool" essay.

I hope we have reached an understanding, and that we do not encounter each other again as you are quite unpleasant. LoveWaffle (talk) 07:38, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll address your issues singly. To begin with, just because this sort of copyediting is present elsewhere doesn't make it appropriate or allowable. When we are supposed to add a plot summary in the area and we life - word for word - material from another source, it is by definition plagiarism. Even if we cite it, we are supposed to paraphrase in such a way so as to not infringe on the wording of the press release. Rather than argue that its okay to break the rules since everyone else is doing it, why not set the example and do it correctly? If you were unsure, you could have asked.

Secondly, we don't use material from other wikis, as they are rife with speculative fancruft and make leaps in logic that are not supported by citations. Wikipedia isn't some crap fan page dedicated to all things superhero; it is an encyclopedia; as such, the contents need to conform in a very specific way. There is not supposed to be a single uncited observation or conclusion, with very singular exceptions. If you see them, you should correct them.

Lastly, when you are reverted, that should serve as a good indicator that your preferred editorial version is meeting with resistance, and the proper next step would be to discuss the matter with the person disagreeing with you. That would be far more logical than continuing to edit-war and hope that you are going to be able to tucker out the other person. It almost never happens, and usually draws precisely the wrong sort of attention to yourself and your edits. You think people are paying too much attention to your edits now? Build up a rep as an edit-warrior, and you'll be in for some major-league proctology involving an electron microscope.

You are relatively new here, so you should be asking a lot more questions than you are. You see my refutation of your edits as "unpleasant"; I assure you, there are far more unpleasant editors in Wikipedia, and I have been surpassingly kind in my evaluation of your edits.So our understanding is this: I came here to advise you of some problematic behavior on your part, so as to not embarrass you in an open article discussion page. You were wrong, and anyone you ask here is going to tell you pretty much the same thing. If you think I am unpleasant because I call you on that, you are entitled to. If you don't wish to encounter me again, you are entitled to do that as well, but I'll advise you that the article in question is on my watchlist, and has been for some time. I am not going anywhere. This is part of growing up: learn to interact positively with people you don't necessarily want to party with. Your wiki experience will be all the more fruitful for it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• I will reiterate that I did not know the edits were considered plagiarism as this rule has never been enforced on edits of that sort on the List of Young Justice Episodes page or any other similar since I've started editing, and the only reason I bring up the Young Justice wiki is to further emphasize my point of precedent. In fact, to date you are the only editor I've seen on this or any other wiki revert these edits on the basis of plagiarism. Not to say that other editors wouldn't do the same, but I'm only speaking to what I've experienced. I have had no reason in the past to be unsure that was the accepted style of this site.
• Furthermore, I'd like to ask why you simply didn't fix the edits yourself if you recognized that my edits were against the accepted style of the site? When Grammarxxx asked me to provide a source to back up my edit, I provided that source, albeit in the incorrect fashion. But at that point, you had my source and you had my edit. Would it not have been easier to simply fix my edit as opposed to undoing it and provoking an edit war?
• Finally, I do not find you "unpleasant" because you refute my edits. I've had many edits on this wiki and elsewhere reverted in the past yet I can remain on at least amicable terms with the editor who made the reversion. I find you "unpleasant" because you have been rude and abrasive towards not only myself but various other users, registered and unregistered, over the past few days. I recognize that there are more unpleasant editors out there - like that Lordofninjas1 person I mentioned earlier - but that doesn't make it any less abrasive.
• But I think we can both agree that we have better things to do than continue to debate over this. I hope I can work positively with you in the future. But, until then, I'll make those updates to the Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated Series episode lists, fully cited and with a different wording. The source has been considered reliable in the past. And if it makes you feel any better, I'll leave a message on your talk page when I make those. If you see problem with either of them, please simply fix my edit before things get blown out of proportion. LoveWaffle (talk) 01:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Unacceptable

This sort of post is going to garner you the worst sort of response from me, LW. If I suggest you cowboy up and do a little work, then consider doing it. Edit-warring with me is only going to end with you on the wrong side of a trout-slap and block. Please be more thoughtful in the future, please, and we can avoid any further unpleasantness. Thank yiou for your time and consideration. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me try that again, prefaced by an apology. I'm sorry; it's too easy to presume the worst in editors whose face you never see, and I was guilty of that here. Let's find a way to work together and have a positive back-and-forth. Sound good? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Apology accepted. If Bat-mite's edit was not properly sourced, I would understand reverting it. I've done that myself quite a few times on this page. But since it was sourced, you should have assumed good faith and re-worded the edit yourself as opposed to simply deleting it. Doing otherwise is guaranteed to end you up in an edit war.

You also seem really trigger happy when it comes to these entries on calling copyright violations, as I can see from your edit time-stamped at 01:58 on January 1st. You don't appear to check the source being listed before calling it a copyright violation, and if you had, you would have realized neither of the episode synopses you deleted were taken directly from the press release (although I did tweak one a bit more just to avoid confusion).

TL;DR - We need to re-word the potential copy-vio outselves, and check the source to make sure it actually is one.

LoveWaffle (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

You are copying the source material, word for word. Please stop reverting. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

If you actually checked the source, you would see they are not word-for-word. The brief synopsis provided for the episode "Cornered" is "The Team is trapped inside the Hall of Justice for a cage match against a brutal alien gladiator!" What I provide is, "An alien warrior traps the Team inside the Hall of Justice." Two different sentences with two different subjects. And, for the record, "the Team" is the in-universe name for the organization called "Young Justice" in the comics, so it is a proper noun. The brief synopsis provided for the episode "Fix" is "Black Manta seeks vengeance against Miss Martian." What I provide is, "Miss Martian becomes the target of a vengeful Black Manta." Again, two sentences with different subjects. In that sense, what you provide is more of a copyright violation than what I provide.

Your rash over-zealousness in claiming copyright violations is not doing the page any favors. I will ask you to actually check the source provided for any brief episode synopses from here on out, or else I will have to consider your consistent reversions of legitimate edits vandalism.

LoveWaffle (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

You should probably assume good faith a wee bit more. Let me ask you, point blank: was my edit wrong, or were you just preferring your own? Coz, I know my edit was perfectly fine, and if its the latter, you might want to check yourself. OWNership is not a good quality in an editor, and i have zero problem with escalating the problem if you continue to exhibit it. Btw, you are at your 3RR limit. The only reason you were not reported by me is not only because I don't want to cause you trouble but that you escape 4RR by less than three minutes. I'm not going to even point out that you seem to have made some sport over reverting my edits (six in less than four days), though I could easily call you onto the carpet for it.

Game the system again, and I'm fairly certain an admin will see the matter differently, because I'll complain to one about your editing behavior. In the meantime, use the talk page, Waffle - it's there for a reason. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Your edit was wrong. For one, "the Team" is a proper noun, so replacing the "T" with a lower-case "t" is in error. If you want to add "members of the..." back into the synopsis, be my guest. But don't claim that the synopsis is a copyright violation when you do so. Second, the brief synopsis you provide for "Fix" is closer to a word-for-word reproduction of what's provided in the source, so it needs to be tweaked further to avoid any confusion. (I find it odd that, of all the edits you have claimed to be a copyright violation, the one you defend the most, yours, is the closest to being one, so I have to question why you bring up the question of "OWNership" in the first place.) But most importantly, your edit is wrong because your stated reason for making it is that you removing a "BLATANT" copyright violation, which doesn't actually exist. Since none of what you claim to be a copyright violation is actually a copyright violation, reverting your edit it the second best way to show you your error. The best way is actually to leave a reference that you can check yourself, but you don't seem all that interested in doing that.

I find it humorous you ask me to assume good faith, since I see you doing very little of that. Rather than checking a source to make sure the information is valid, you immediately assume it is a copyright violation. And even if it is a copyright violation, like the edit Bat-mite made, you revert it and leave a hostile, threatening description in the edit summary as opposed to assuming good faith and simply re-wording the edit.
Also, I have no idea what 3RR or 4RR is. I don't know what system I'm gaming but I'm open to having that explained to me.
LoveWaffle (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Not that I intend participate in this discussion (I just glanced at it before composing my message below), but WP:3RR and WP:GAME would answer your questions. In general, placing WP: in front of a search term in the search engine is often useful for finding a page in the namespace relating to some policy, guideline, manual of style, consensus, or other resource. Nightscream (talk) 00:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Ultimate Spider-Man episodes

Hi, LoveWaffle. A somewhat belated welcome to Wikipedia, and a thank you for your work in removing unsourced material from articles, a thankless job that not enough editors on WP take seriously. I want to thank you for monitoring the quality of the List of Ultimate Spider-Man episodes in the face of so many non-constructive edits by so many different IP editors, something that I've had to put up with myself over the years. I just have one point that must be made regarding your reverts: While this edit was clearly disruptive enough to be called vandalism, the others you reverted were not. While those edits did involve the apparently arbitrary replacement of valid TV Guide citations with ToonZone citations (adding Toonzone would've been fine, since that source is reliable enough to be cited in the Ultimate Spider-Man parent article, but that obviously did not justify removal of the TV Guide ones), the reformatting of dates via the removal of the date templates, and the addition of ordinal suffixes in the dates (which Wikipedia does not use), those IP editors were presumably newbies, and may have not known this. Vandalism is defined on Wikipedia as the intentional disruption of Wikipedia articles, which is distinct from good-faith errors or non-constructive edits derived from new editors' ignorance of policy, proper content guidelines, etc. While those edits were non-constructive, they were not vandalism, and should not be referred to as such in your edit summaries, since this could be construed as incivility. Remember, don't bite the newbies! :-)

I have changed the protection level of the article to semi-protection, in order to prevent only new and unregistered editors from editing for now, as I do not believe the recent conflict constitutes an edit war. I have also left messages on the talk pages of those IPs, appropriate to each of their edits.

If you ever have any other questions about editing, or need help, just let me know by leaving a message for me in a new section at the bottom of my talk page. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 00:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

My main issues concerning vandalism are thus:

1. The phrase <!---TVGuide Vs Marvel Toonzone - Marvel Toonzone Wins Smartass ;)---> being inserted into the text of the article (albeit one that can only be seen if you edit)
2. I don't think information from ToonZone/Marvel Animation Age can be considered a valid source anymore. The people behind the site (which, as the unregistered IPs did not seem to understand, is a fan site, not one run by Marvel) issued a statement saying they were going to stop updating the site. So what was being sourced wasn't a press release, like this, but an episode guide that will be consistently updated by...who knows? I tried to bring this point up on the talk page, but to no avail.

I also tried to reach a compromise with those editors by including the Animation Age episode guide as a source along with the TV Guide, and by including some of the information on that page, but the unregistered IPs would only undo those edits. Reeks of WP:OWN, if nothing else.

So, sorry for the mess. I'll try to make my objections a bit clearer if this ever arise in the future (and it will).

And, of course, to use the V-word with a bit more restraint.

LoveWaffle (talk) 01:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

1. Okay, sorry, I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Yeah, that's definitely disruptive.

2. I was never under the impression that Marvel ran that site, but I didn't know it was a fan site. I admit it's hard to discern sometimes whether a site is considered "reliable"; while indications that a site is a wiki or user-generated (such as the presence of an "edit" button or "contribute" link) usually are a red flag for me, and the exercising of editorial control are an indication that it's not a wiki, I admit that it's hard to tell sometimes if it's a fan site, or what, which is why I often ask at WP:RSN. Looking through this about page, it says that it's a news and information website founded, owned and run by a three fans--Brian Cruz, Eileen Delgadillo and Colin Feder, but also that they are aided by an "army of volunteers". I just looked at RSN, and found this brief discussion affirming that it's just a fan site with user-generated content, so it looks like you're right.

I'll keep the article on my watchlist, as least for now, to help you out. Having to often up with newbies and trolls adding unsourced trivia and cruft to the South Park articles, I can sympathize with you. Nightscream (talk) 05:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

RE: Code fix

Fixed! Not sure what happened there - a twinkle error. Thanks for the note. Rjd0060 (talk) 05:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit war on Guardians of the Galaxy (film)

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May 2013

Your recent editing history at Iron Man 3 shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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I have not reverted three edits.

LoveWaffle (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You actually made five reverts, and have been reported for edit warring. - SudoGhost 03:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I have only reverted twice.

LoveWaffle (talk) 03:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect. You have removed the content a total of five times, four within the past 24 hours which is likely to lead to you being blocked to prevent further edit warring. See WP:3RR for the definition of a revert because under Wikipedia's definition of edit warring you made five reverts to the article, and have been reported for such at WP:AN3. - SudoGhost 03:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Iron Man 3

As a past participant, you're invited to join the discussion at Talk:Iron Man 3. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

ANEW

I have reviewed the report at WP:ANEW filed against you for edit warring at Iron Man 3. I am going to close the report as "warned" and not sanction you because you appear to misunderstand WP:3RR and have apologized for your "ignorance". That said, your last revert on the article came after SudoGhost's warning to you. At that point, you should have read the policy more carefully and not reverted as you did. However, although you have had an account since 2010, you have made very few edits and I'm willing to cut you some slack this time. I strongly urge you to leave the article alone for a while (you can continue to discuss issues on the talk page if you wish). Any arguable revert in the near future may result in a block.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Understood

LoveWaffle (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

X-Men: Days of Future Past film Pietro source thing.

Hey, I'm not the one who added the initial note about not using Pietro. I was just moving it to make it more apparent to NOT explicitly use Quicksilver's given name until it's confirmed. Though, that THR thing seems to stem from here, or rather, the tweet noted at the bottom of that page. I don't think it's really a reliable source, but for future note, that's where it came from. || Tako (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, here's the problem:

1. That's an article from IGN, not THR.
2. The note says "an article from 'The Hollywood Report'[SIC]", which isn't true, because its from a Tweet from an writer that works at THR cited in an article from IGN, not an article at THR.
3. Borys Kit's Tweet only says "heard". I know THR is recognized as a credible source, but can the same be said for the Twitter account of everyone who works there?

I think Singer's Tweet only saying "Quicksilver" is a good enough reason to leave out "Pietro Maximoff" without getting into a tricky source issue.

LoveWaffle (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Suicide Squad article

Has Suicide Squad yet entered production, or satisfy WP:NFF? If it did both of them, I would support it having a separate article. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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LoveWaffle (talk) 05:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Double redirects

The page as I left it, i.e. this version, does not have a double redirect. The link as I left it is 3rd Duke of Buckingham - try it: it goes to the page about the third duke. It does say "(Redirected from Richard Plantagenet Campbell Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville, 3rd Duke of Buckingham and Chandos)" at the top, but that indicates a single redirect, not a double redirect. There is more information at WP:NOTBROKEN. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

My first edit - the one you undid - fixed a double redirect and replaced it with a link to the correct page. I do not understand why you would undo that only to link to a redirect.
LoveWaffle (talk) 04:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Fixing a double redirect means that you go to the redirect page itself, and fix that. Only one edit is necessary, the articles that link to that redirect shouldn't (and normally won't) need amending as well. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Right. Only one edit was necessary. One edit fixed a double redirect. That's why I don't understand your second edit to undo the fix and replace it with a fix of your own. It seems pointless and, at worst, smells of WP:OWN.
LoveWaffle (talk) 17:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

My point is that your edit was both unnecessary and contrary to the guidelines at Wikipedia:Redirect: it did nothing for all the other articles which have exactly the same link. As for WP:OWN, I have exactly ten edits to that article, which has had over 250 edits since it was created. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

How is fixing a double redirect unnecessary and contrary to those guidelines? Links should direct readers to the correct page, and the guidelines say they should be fixed (with ongoing discussion over whether they should be allowed in certain cases).
LoveWaffle (talk) 21:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

When double redirects are fixed, this is done on the redirect and not on the page that links to that redir. The process is summarised at WP:2R#How to fix a double redirect. One edit is all that is needed. This fixes all pages that link to it. Any other edits are therefore unnecessary. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

And one edit was all it took to fix the problem there. You chose to make a second edit and undo it. I don't know the status of that redirect; do any other pages link to it? Why does it exist in the first place? I didn't feel it was my place to say, so I chose to make a simple edit to one article. Didn't want a link on the front page to direct readers to the wrong place. I do not understand why you would choose to complicate matters further.
LoveWaffle (talk) 04:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, ten other articles link to it (there are plenty more in other namespaces). Your edit left those ten articles still in a broken state; my edit fixed all of them at once. All eleven articles could have been fixed simultaneously by yourself, if you had fixed the redirect. It is not complicated. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Those ten links were already in a broken state. I chose to fix one of the eleven. Rather than launch an investigation into why a double redirect existed I chose to make a quick edit to a link that appeared on Wikipedia's front page. What's the big deal if an article uses one link over another redirect. Again, it smells of WP:OWN.
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You're probably not aware but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. The article Jonathan Banks about the person you added to January 31 did not have any source that I could add to this page to back up your addition so this change has been reverted. Please do not restore it without providing a direct reliable source. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Toddst1: Where I'm confused here is that none of the other entries on the page have a source attached to them. Why is this one particular entry different from the rest? That being said, here is a reference that lists his birthday as January 31. I've seen that resource used as a source for other actors' birthdays, so if that isn't good enough I don't know what you're looking for. Clearly the page treats sources differently from other Wikipedia articles, so I have no idea how to add this myself.
Furthermore, that doesn't explain why you would revert the inclusion of the basketball player under "Deaths" and the simple clean-up. Surely you don't need me to provide a source that says "M" comes before "R" alphabetically? - LoveWaffle (talk) 03:52, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

As I said above, the requirement is relatively new. There is a lot of unsourced stuff already there and a lot of folks adding new stuff don't know about the change. We're trying to start with the new additions to ensure we don't make things worse and there are folks patrolling the stuff that's already there. Toddst1 (talk) 04:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Toddst1: You can see where a problem would arise when newer edits are subjected to an entirely different standard than virtually everything else in the article and that is not at all communicated to editors. And you still haven't addressed why you reverted the clean-up. If Banks' inclusion is the edits' only problematic part, why was that not singularly dealt with? Isn't this what the {{citation needed}} tag exists for? - LoveWaffle (talk) 05:12, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

At all? Did you bother to read what I suggested you see for details? WP:V is not new - it's a core policy. Toddst1 (talk) 07:33, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Toddst1: It's a core policy that - as you said earlier - Days of the Year pages were exempt from, and they have not yet been brought up to date regarding this change. Meanwhile, there is a disclaimer at the top of the page whenever you edit it that says editors should follow the consensus format; a format that, as of writing this, does not include sources. Nor is there anything to tell editors these pages are currently undergoing an overhaul and their edits will be held to that new standard.
So when you revert my and the other user's edits, I don't know what is wrong with them when they follow the example set by the rest of the article. Do you not see how that can be confusing for editors? Should you really need to be in a position where you need to revert edits and contact editors directly just to make them aware the rules have changed?
And you still haven't addressed why you reverted the clean-up. Could you please tell me what was wrong with that half of my edit? - LoveWaffle (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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