User talk:Lewisskinner/Archive Jan 2007

Stations in general

Hi Lewis!

Regarding the Wilkinson Street AFD. I am not really sure what to make of tram stations, my redirect !vote on the said AFD was mostly a way of dodging the entire problem by saying something about the article's quality instead of the subject. For instance, I do think that stations on the LACMTA Blue Line (light rail) are just as notable as the stations on LACMTA Red Line (heavy rail), even though the former arguably qualifies as "tram stops" while the latter are "subway stations". Then again, a number of the tram stops on Oslotrikken are little more than a sign and bench on the sidewalk, and hardly any more notable than your average bus stop. But on that same tram system there are some lines (the Ekeberg and Lilleaker lines) which run on a separate track and which do have fuller stations.

I don't know for sure what your position is on subway stations, although I think you like to keep those! If you look at my list of new articles, the majority of them right now are about stations on the Oslo T-bane, indeed the most recent one is about the smallest station on the entire network, and incredibly, is one where there were comparatively many interesting factoids.

Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Priestfield tram stop

I see you have nominated Priestfield tram stop for deletion. I created this page about three months ago whilst I was trying to sort out the disambiguation page, Priestfield. I can't add anything more to the article - but almost all the other stops on the Midland Metro Line 1 have articles, and there seem to be a lot of editors keen to contribute to train and tram articles. CarolGray 20:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that most tram stops are merely raised platforms, and hence no (or at least little) different from bus stops. I prod-ed it, but another editor has since AfD. Obviously some people do not agree with you. Since I see very little room for expansion, I though delete was the best option.

I recently prod-ed all the NET stop articles, and all but two were deleted, one now under AfD and looking like being deleted. Sadly, I feel this is how these will go.

I had the same idea with Supertram, and was in the process of creating articles, but was told that these were more appropriate on wikitravel.

L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 21:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I nominated the Priestfield tram stop article for deletion on the basis of St Paul's tram stop having been listed for deletion before, and as part of the relevant Midland Metro stops for deletion. Tinlinkin 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, an article about a station is not in itself a directory nor an indiscriminiate collection of information. You were probably thinking about the collection of articles, which need to be considered together, and a prod seems to consider one article only. But the single-sentenced articles (in most of these cases) would likely be a better criteria for deletion. And since there was a previous discussion on deletion, a prod would probably be contested, anyway. Tinlinkin 21:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your explanation. I see what you're saying. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 21:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Ring Road

Is anything likely to link to it? It seemed like an unneeded disambiguation page since Sheffield (disambiguation) exists already. Angela. 00:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll undelete it then, but you might want to consider merging the two into the same page rather than making a disambiguation page. Angela. 01:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

L.J.Skinner

Please ask your bot not to mess with my userpage. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 04:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude, calm down please. All bots make mistakes. I'm sorry, and will make sure that bug is fixed. —Mets501 (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I was joking dude! Sorry, I'm aware my sense of humour isn't the best! L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 13:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Great! You never know, userboxes is a very heated topic of debate. —Mets501 (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other editors

I would have let this edit pass without comment, but that your subsequent edits suggest that you seem unaware that what you wrote is not an acceptable part of the courteous discussion that is required during disputes at Wikipedia. As such, please familiarise yourself with the content of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Thanks, —JeremyA 18:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You are partially correct. It is not so much that I am unaware, more that I disagree. Having read WP:NPA, I would not say that my comments were an example of this, although unacceptable under WP:CIV. I was asking the editor to take a more balanced look at the world around him/her and the information sources I'd tried to provide.

The arguement was essentially about whether or not a square was part of a city centre gateway. I provided lots of evidence that it would, s/he countered only with (paraphrasing) "that evidence doesn't count", but providing no reasons why, nor evidence to the contrary.

Furthermore, following the offending comment from myself, I tried to continue the discussion about the article, whereas s/he tried to continue discussing the alleged personal attack - violating WP:NPA#Initial optons, which states: Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all.

Lastly, I note that WP:CIV#examples states Judgmental tone in edit summaries ("fixed sloppy spelling", "snipped rambling crap") are unacceptable. I allowed his/her comment (earlier in the discussion) The Gateway is to the side of Sheaf Square and not part of it. the Gateway is between the station and Sheaf Square but part of neither. You've taken the blurry night picture, you should know. to go unpunished. Indeed, I totally ignored it per WP:NPA#Initial optons. Why is s/he unable to do likewise and feels a need to go running to admins screaming "Please take action". Does this not come under WP:CIV#examples - Calling for bans or blocks? Does s/he get preferential treatment to me due to his/her longevi as an editor? L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 19:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I would say that telling someone that they have their head up their arse is a pretty good example of commenting on the user and not the content. However you are correct that I treated you and Captain scarlet differently because I know you both—had any other editor left that message on anyone else's user talk page I would have reverted the edit and sent a {{Npa2}} warning. However, although I saw your edit pretty much at the time that you made it, I chose to ignore it because my past experience of the two of you made me think that you would work things out without intervention.

You will notice from my talk page that when Captain scarlet left his first message there I refused his request to intervene and suggested instead that he try to compromise with you. Note also that Captain scarlet did not call for me to block you, and I did not block you (however, the segments that you quote from WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL do not mean that you should expect to be able to make personal attacks and have them ignored). I would actually have sent you the message that I left earlier today regardless of anything that Captain scarlet did—that message was not inspired by the personal attack, or Captain scarlet's message, but rather because in your subsequent edits you denied being un-civil, which you clearly were.

Moving more on-topic I actually think that you are both right, and therefore both wrong in the wording being used on the Sheaf Square article. It looks to me that it should be fairly easy to find a compromise wording if you were to work with each other rather than against each other. It might be worth you both realising that—as you both seem to be at Wikipedia to stay, and you are interested in the same subject areas—finding a way to work collaboratively rather than fighting would be the best way to achieve the common goal of making the Sheffield-related Wikipedia articles as good as they can be. —JeremyA 23:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What was true one month ago is still true, please refrain from using colourful language or If your behaviour does not change I'll have to report you to see this end. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Kelham Island article

Just been cleaning up this site and adding bits to it. The spelling was atrocious. Can I suggest you run a quick spell check before saving a page. The most up to date version of Mozilla Firefox has a spell check function as part of the browser that you may find useful. Bradleyspencer1983 21:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)