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World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened
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Evidence presented by Lembit Staan
[edit]Disclosure: my previous user name was user:Staszek Lem. I renamed myself after a polite hint from the son of Stanislaw Lem. Lembit Staan (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
I was thoroughly surprized to find me listed among the main Polish Holocaust revisionists on wikipedia :-(. In fact I have close to none contribution on the discussed subject. The only notable altercation I can remember is about the bio of Jan Żaryn. From this disproportionality I may guess who were the main "inside jobs" for the article of GK in question.
Baseless accusation of me being a Holocaust revisionist
[edit]The article of GK says "After still more back and forth in July, including a five-part Request for Comment by François Robere,Footnote233 Lembit Staan and GizzyCatBella overhauled the entire article, simply removing the overwhelming majority of the journalists’ and scholars’ observations on Żaryn’s extremism" - the "simply removing" statement is false. The fact is that the mentioned "still more back and forth in July" was a thorough criticism of the additions by François Robere. On my part I analyzed the cited sources in detail and my major objections per WP:BLP were: (a) mistranslations, (b) too liberal interpretations of sources by wikipedians to the disfavor of the subject of the article, i.e., Jan Żaryn, and (c) what is more fascinating, the provably poor scholarhip of the sources cited which criticized Żaryn, making these sources unreliable. My arguments may be found in Talk:Jan_Żaryn#RfC:_Jan_Żaryn. If requested I can provide specific examples and more explanations. Lembit Staan (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
False /misleading statements about Żaryn's bio
[edit]The article of GK says now readers opening Jan Żaryn’s page have access to his claims (for example, that Jews were to blame for the Kielce pogrom), without being told of their baselessness.
-- In fact, the bio says: Żaryn <...> has stated that "a significant proportion of Jewish individuals... supported the communist authorities or... joined their ranks"; he blames those individuals for being part of Communist censorship and propaganda organs, who were "deceitfully ... silent about Soviet massacres." This, he believes, "intensified anti-Semitic attitudes" that resulted in the Kielce pogrom.
-- I fail to see the logic in the transformation from: "some Jews were bad (provably true); this intensified [pre-existing] antiSemitism (provably true), hence pogrom (opinion)" - to: "Jews were to blame for Kielce Pogrom". In fact, Żaryn reasonably attributed pogrom to the rise of antiSemitism and he explained some reasons of this rise.
I do agree with GK that the views (and the quality of scholarship, and his engagement withn the "party line") of Żaryn are described poorly. But the phrasing "without being told of their baselessness" is a preconception indicative of poor scholarshipo of GK. For example, the bio says "Żaryn argues that the tensions between Jews and other nations in interwar Poland were mostly due to economic reasons" - I have no idea what Zaryn actually wrote (and how the sources cited interpreted this), but here is a book by Michael C. Steinlauf which basically says the same; -- so much about "baselessness". Lembit Staan (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]@Lembit Staan Requesting your inputs @ WP:RSN#Anirudh Devgan to review notability @ Talk:Anirudh Devgan#Adding awards.
This request is made to you since previously you seem to have since previously you seem to have updated the article the article Phil Kaufman Award. Also the article Phil Kaufman Award itself also seem to have been tagged, recently, for notability and may be you have any inputs to share on t/p thereof. Bookku (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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"rm promo"
[edit]This edit. Valve Corporation is by far (and I mean, by far) the subject visitors are looking for. Just because it is a corporation doesn't mean including a link to its article to make the life of visitors easier, and Wikipedia more user-friendly, 'engaging in promotion'. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:9749:A195:AD35:C8D7 (talk) 05:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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