User talk:LegalKorea

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19:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation. The Teahouse conversation prompted a lot of useful information, including the revelation that I should disclose here that I am an employee of DR&AJU, the firm I am presently creating a Wikipedia page for. After reading about Wikipedia's terms of acceptance for a subject page, I found the firm notable to an English-reading international audience for the reasons identified and sourced on the page. I also strove to write a neutral, non-commercial account of the firm. Needed corrections are welcomed. Since the legal profession in Asia is being opened up to U.S.- and EU-based firms, a great number of which already have English-language Wikipedia pages, it seems that in the interest of fairness and access to knowledge, there ought to be more than the present two Korean firms listed among the English pages (as of February 2016). That is why I began this page. LegalKorea (talk) 06:16, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to User:LegalKorea/sandbox/DR & AJU. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2016 (UTC)**:@JamesBWatson: Dear James, Thank you for the message. I understand and agree with what you are saying. That is why I looked for references that showed the firm's relevance to global issues. I didn't write the article to advertise the company but provide information about what it is and does. Many large rivals, especially western firms, already have Wikipedia pages. In addition to being paid to advertise this firm, I am also a consultant to help it survive market liberalization. I advised a Wikipedia page to make sure foreign press or clients searching for information about the firm have an English source. I never suggested Wikipedia as a good place to advertise. I hope you and other editors who review this site, consider my motivation.[reply]

Dear Wikipedia Editors

First of all thank you for being so helpful and supportive in this process. This page is ready for review, but two items need to be added if the submission is accepted:

1) the DR & AJU logo (cannot be uploaded until the page is accepted, correct?) I can easily assure fair use in this instance by quoting Wikipedia Logos: “The encyclopedic rationale for including a logo is similar to the rationale for including portraits of a famous actor: most users feel that portraits provide valuable information about the person that is difficult to describe solely with text. Logos should be regarded as portraits for a given entity.” I also know for a fact that the partners of the firm agree with this interpretation.
2) One "Notable Member," former Republic of Korea Prime Minister Kim Seok-Su, currently only has Korean <https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EA%B9%80%EC%84%9D%EC%88%98>, Mandarin and Cantonese Wikipedia pages. We would like to add an English page for him to cross-link with in the future.

To further explain the need for this page, please note that potential category link Law firms of South Korea <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Law_firms_of_South_Korea> contains only two firms at present. I have looked at Wikipedia pages for both these firms and about eight western firms. None declare, as I have done, that the original contributor was paid to write the page by the subject. While some of the firms are massive and continually in the news, others are of similar size as DR & AJU with an equal number of high-profile cases. I find it hard to believe that not one of these pages was generated at the relevant firm's behest. If you decline this page on the grounds of the subject being a private firm and its author a paid employee, you will ironically be denying coverage to an honest law firm while allowing less-than-honest firms to benefit from your listing.

DR & AJU is taking on a growing number of internationally relevant cases. I have read everything presently available in English that I could find on the firm and found only neutral or positive coverage. If articles critical are cited by others in the future, I have no intention of deleting them -- for the following reason: Sullivan & Cromwell's page links to Maples v. Thomas, a particularly black mark on the otherwise highly reputable firm's credentials. The inclusion of this material adds credibility to all other content on its page. A well-balanced source where foreign journalists, students, and clients can learn much about the firm quickly in English is mutually desirable.

Listed here and in the contents of the page itself are all of the reasons I believe "DR & AJU" is a notable subject and worthy addition to Wikipedia's pages. Thank you for your consideration. I have enjoyed becoming very familiar with Wikipedia. Wherever I can improve a page with editing in the future, given time and confidence in the accuracy of my contribution, I will gladly do more. I appreciate what you are building, regardless of your final decision.

March 2016

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:DR & AJU, from its old location at User:LegalKorea/sandbox/DR & AJU. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. /wiae /tlk 12:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Wiae: for moving the page to the more appropriate "draft" designation.

Your submission at Articles for creation: DR & AJU (March 26)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment they left was:

Also, not sure whether they pass notability criteria.

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:24, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Onel5969,
Thank you for reviewing the page I wrote for DR & AJU. I can appreciate how busy you are, so I will go straight to your grounds for dismissal and not restate information already provided in the Talk section on the draft page <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:LegalKorea/sandbox/DR_%26_AJU>
Your stated objections:

read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia
encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view

Since I am employed by this firm, it is logical to assume the intent of the page is advertising. However, the intent was (and is) to provide a vital, neutral point of view where non-Korean reporters and students can find quick background and source material about the firm in English. I openly stated that I was an employee, so readers would know there could be a conflict of interest. I am confident that if you or they recheck the sources cited, you will find, I conveyed the contents accurately. I actually looked for negative reports about the firm to avoid charges of bias. I found nothing negative. Please tell me precisely what reads like advertising, and I will change it if I cannot convince you it is third-party reference material.

should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources
not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed.

12 Reliable published sources cited in References: Newspaper, magazine articles: Korea-based, Korean-language (3), Korea-based, English-language (2), global publications, English-language (4) Books: Korea-based, Korean-language (2) Korean government English-language website (1)
The only information taken from firm publications was the date of incorporation, the number of attorneys, the chief partners and notable members, i.e. the Information Box and Notable Members sections. On other Wikipedia law firm pages this information comes from firm publications. No news agency or author could possess more reliable, up-to-date information than this. I am aware of no other content, taken from the firm's publications. Please let me know what specifically you find questionable, and I will remove it and/or add a third-party source.

the questionable notability of the subject

This is a valid concern, and another reason I spent several hours researching to make sure the firm complied with Wikipedia's clear and reasonable specifications before making the page. DR & AJU is currently around the 9th largest firm in Korea. It "has a reputation for punching above its weight” (Korea Times article, citation #7). As that and citation 8 prove, the firm has taken on Korea’s largest banks and the U.S. government on behalf of clients with far less clout. Currently DR & AJU has an arbitration case against FIFA on behalf of a player (who happens to have a Wikipedia page). The firm is also in partnership with Taylor Wessing. Once DR & AJU has a page, it will not be difficult to cross-link with other Wikipedia pages and further prove notability. If the firm has a page, it will be as easy for students or reporters covering high-profile cases to get the same quick access to information about DR & AJU that they can find on the other parties and firms involved. And so we come back to the reason I feel the company needs a Wikipedia page. It handles numerous high-profile cases that generate press in English as well as Korean.
Thank you again for your consideration and any further advice you can give to expedite acceptance. Sincerely, LegalKorea (talk) 03:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: DR & AJU (April 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Tvx1 was:

The issues have been barely adressed.

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T v x1 19:05, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Chrisw80:, @Onel5969:, @Tvx1: and all other past and future reviewers of Draft:DR & AJU, I would like to resubmit the page at 9:00 am Greenwich Mean Time, May 4. If you could point out anything still requiring change before then, it would be greatly appreciated. Reporters and students can access English-language Wikipedia pages for rival firms and that is why DR & AJU decided it should have a page as well. Advertising to attract clients was never a consideration. IN May, an arbitration board is scheduled to release its decision in a case where DR & AJU represented a Korean soccer player against FIFA. As with Korean Air Flight 801, this case will likely generate considerable interest for years to come and further prove notability. Thank you again for your time and consideration LegalKorea (talk) 08:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: DR & AJU (May 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Delta13C was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

No reason can be derived from the sources that this subject passes notability requirements.

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Delta13C (talk) 11:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Delta13C: Thank you for taking the time to review this draft. I agree that at this time the firm's notability is questionable. If the firm were not expanding its international practice, I would never have made the page. In addition to the high-profile cases mentioned already, I know what is coming down the pipeline. On May 20 we expect a decision in a major case. Also, I recently discovered one of DR & AJU's partners, Kwon Yong Suk <http://www.draju.com/new_eng/viewlawyer.php?lawNum=166>, is the founder of a retreat for first-time offenders and those suffering from game/Internet-addiction. The firm has supported this retreat, Happitory <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPh78_DJRuU>, since its creation. I will add these and other details next week and resubmit the page. Could you please offer an example of bad referencing, so I can correct that as well? If this firm's competitors did not already have an English Wikipedia page, I would completely agree that there is no need for the page and stop trying. As noted, DR&AJU is known for representing underdogs against large corporations or governments. It has been and will be involved in cases that attract international attention. I think it is reasonable to want to provide English-speaking researchers of those cases, quick access to information about this firm in the same way they can access information about rival firms in such cases. If the suggested updates are insufficient, please let me know what type of reference would convince you. I appreciate your effort to improve Wikipedia and this draft. Sincerely LegalKorea (talk) 05:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:DR & AJU

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 (talk) 05:09, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]