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Vote for a post-meetup restaurant

I'm charged with making the reservations for us, so let's make it official. We'll do this via voting and everyone including anonymous voters, sockpuppets, and canvassed supporters is enfranchised. Voting irregularities and election fraud are encouraged as that would be really amusing in this instance. Please vote for whichever restaurant you would like to eat at given the information provided above and your own personal prejudices at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC#Let's make it official. The prevailing restaurant will be called first for the reservation. If a reservation cannot be obtained at the winning restaurant, the runner-up restaurant will be called thus making this entire process pointless. Voting ends 24 hours after this timestamp (because I said so). ScienceApologist (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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New mailing list

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You are invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday March 16th, Columbia University area Last: 1/13/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

Well also make preparations for our exciting Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, a free content photography contest for Columbia University students planned for Friday March 28 (about 2 weeks after our meeting).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

You're also invited to subscribe to the public Wikimedia New York City mailing list, which is a great way to receive timely updates.
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Response

No guarantees, but I'll try to take a look. Things have been fairly busy for me here in real life. alphachimp 06:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot activity

I was going over the list of bots and noticed that Danumber1bot (talk · contribs) has not edited in a very long time. Is this bot still active and if not, would you object to it being de-flagged? Please post your comments to Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#Dead_bots since this is a rather widely-posted message. MBisanz ^talk 18:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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IRT Flushing line

Woah, your edits to the Template:IRT Flushing Line look bad. It looks too much like a work in progress, because it is missing so many symbols. Please revert it back to a previous version and save your version in your Sandbox until we have created more symbols.

On another point, perhaps we should use the mileage column to insert an instead of changing the station icon right now. for example...

Let me know what you think of using the ...

Acps110 (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Radiohead redirects

Hello Imdanumber1, how are you? Thing is, I actually put quite a bit of thought while redirecting (I know that Radiohead isn't a singles band), and the fact is, most songs don't satisfy our notability criteria. Per WP:SONGS, "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article". The fact is articles such as "Sit Down. Stand Up." (which you reverted) do not fulfill our criteria; apart from not charting, no reliable sources have even discussed it. What this means is that the current article is just somebody's OR/POV. So there is no need to "slowly but surely revert [my] edits" because there isn't anything reliably writable about these songs anyway. Another thing thing is, in the case of Kid A, all that has been discussed is already included in that (excellent) article, so individual songs do not warrant their own articles at all.

As for your comment that i did not seek consensus, I believe there was no need. WP:SONGS itself, lists a number of AfD discussions where similar cases of redirects have taken place, so I do not believe a band-by-band/song-by-song consensus building is required. Of course if you have sufficient information from reliable sources about these songs (which wouldn't be relevant to the respective album article), then we will reinstate the song's pages. I look forward to you response and thanks for reading. indopug (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting, does a music video make a song notable? SONGS doesn't say so, and I tend to agree. For example, channels like MTV air live performances of individual songs (even non-singles); they could be called music videos, and passed off as notable otherwise right? In our present case, couldn't "Sit Down"'s video be discussed at the Lying Mouth article or in a Hail to the Thief videos section? Doesn't it seem weird to have an entire article only discusses a music video (note that the song itself is not notable and hence cannot be discussed)? As for the "Idioteque" video, it seems to be a live one that is already mentioned in the Kid A article, so why should it have its own article? (Oh and thanks for pointing out that there is a "Sit Down" video, I'm watching it on YouTube :) indopug (talk) 23:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. What about "Life in a Glasshouse"? Everything useful & reliable in that article can go to Amnesiac quite easily. As "Idioteque", again, having a popular video does not entail that the entire song is notable, per the notability guidelines. Besides, I think it is covered in good detail in the Kid A article. The "Sit Down. Stand Up." article seems like one big pile of OR and POV unfortunately; that's the main reason I want to redirect these songs. Having a big pile of uncited stuff seems to encourage IPs to indiscriminately add trivia and their interpretation/half-truths about the songs. Among the five redirects you've reverted, do you agree that "Glasshouse", "You and Whose Army?" and "Sit down" can be redirects? None them indicate notability (or even popularity outside of the core fan-base) significantly; "Glasshouse" and "Army" don't even have videos. indopug (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I knew that; I wasn't going to redirect a song that was well-sourced with RS. (Unless of course all that info was already in the album). "Morning Bell" is still worrying for me, large large swathes of OR. The Guardian source just says the lyrics of the song are indecipherable while the jam.canoe link doesn't even the mention the song! Just the quote that Kid A and Amnesiac were twins separated at birth. Everything in the Wikipedia article about "Morning Bell" being a intentional connecting link between the two records is pure speculation. indopug (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday June 1st, Columbia University area Last: 3/16/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, elect a board of directors, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
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Long Beach Branch line template

Okay, I just found out that my proposed line template for the Long Beach Branch of the LIRR was missing Queenswater Station. Now the only question I've got is, was it located north or south of the former Long Beach Marine Railway spur? ----DanTD (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure, have you tried running a Google Search? You can also ask NE2 as he finds die-hard references to back up any findings. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 20:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure he's willing to talk to me after that spat we had over him deleting a load of my non-free images. ----DanTD (talk) 01:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you had uneasy altercations with NE2, and so have I, but I don't let old issues affect my performance around here today. Its strange that even having such epic arguments, you can learn a lot to make sure you know what and what not to do. But if you really don't want to talk to him, I'll ask him myself. But take my advice and talk to him, just trust me. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 02:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot at some point. I did find that there were images I could've just as easily replaced with sources, and others that I couldn't. ----DanTD (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[1] shows that the Marine Railway was not so much a branch as an extension. [2] might be useful if you write about the Queenswater station. --NE2 02:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This is good to know, but I have a feeling that I'm going to have to subscribe Historic Map Works in order to get a closer look. ----DanTD (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you need a closer look at? The main Long Beach station can be seen, and the Marine Railway continues on. --NE2 18:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't see any of the stations on that map, whether it's Long Beach, Queenswater, Wreck Lead, or even the ones in Island Park. It only zooms in so far for me. I assume you've actually got an account with the website. But yes, I can see the Long Beach Marine Railway too. ----DanTD (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't have an account; I'm assuming that huge box south of the rail line is Long Beach station. For the current purposes, that should be enough, but a better source would be needed to cite in an article. --NE2 00:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks very much. I'm glad to have a little time lately to return to the NYCS articles.

I've been simplifying the lede paragraph in some of the service articles. I don't think it's necessary to list exhaustively, and parenthetically clarify, every place where service bullets are and aren't found. That's especially true in an article's lead paragraph, which is supposed to provide a general introduction for a non-specialist. Marc Shepherd (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I think there's a web page somewhere that shows every service bullet that each kind of rolling stock is physically capable of displaying. Some cars even have provisions for service bullets that have never been used. So yes, you're right that an R68 cannot show a 1 in a circle. I'm merely suggesting that this is a small detail that the general reader, right at the top of the article, would probably not be curious about. Readers tend to be intimidated when, straight off the bat, the article begins with parentheticals and clarifications of relatively minor points.

I would add that a non-railfan probably hasn't heard of the "A Division"; most have probably never even heard of the IRT. So an explanation that uses those two terms likely isn't helping very many people. Sure, they can follow the blue links for an explanation, but it's not a good idea when the second sentence of the article depends, for its comprehension, on fairly specialized terminology.

A lot of WP articles have the problem that they're written largely by fans (people like us). It can be hard to step back and ask what average readers—the folks Wikipedia is supposed to be written for—would care about. Marc Shepherd (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

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As you are probably aware, You Tube has recently come under fire in respect of its use of copyrighted works, because of this a review of You Tube linking from English Wikipedia is under way.

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Your User Page

shouldn't you update it? It is technically already Summer 2008. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll see to that, thanks dude. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 00:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic

Greetings! You are invited to attend the second annual New York picnic on August 24! This year, it will be taking place in the Long Meadow of Prospect Park in Brooklyn. If you plan on coming, please sign up and be sure to bring something! Please be sure to come!
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Wikis Take Manhattan

Wikis Take Manhattan Next: Saturday September 27

WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
• Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:

• Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project

349 W. 12th St. #3

Between Greenwich & Washington Streets

By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

FOR UPDATES

Check out:

• Wikis Take Manhattan main website

This will have a posting if the event is delayed due to weather or other exigency.

Thanks,

Pharos

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
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NYC Meetup: You are invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday November 16th, Columbia University area Last: 6/01/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, finalize and approve bylaws, interact with representatives from the Software Freedom Law Center, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the June meeting's minutes and the September meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikis Take Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wikipedia Loves Art! bonanza, being planned with the Brooklyn Museum for February.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.
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retirement

i think your recent absent from wikipedia shows that you really need to retire, just like how i stopped with the transit filmography. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

rofl, you are editing with an iPhone. yeah, that is really smart of you, do me a favor. get your computer so you can contribute or you might as well just retire because honestly, Wikipedia is not very nice anymore. NOTE: This is The Legendary Ranger. i am in school right now and do not feel like logging in. if you want to respond to this message, do it on my user talk page. 199.219.138.254 (talk) 19:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

yeah, that is why i do not like wikipedia anymore, nobody goes on it and the transportation project has grinded to a halt just like the MTA. i can see why you have not edit wikipedia often, but the fact is I have having the same problems myself which is why I am considering unofficially retiring from this site after the new year because I have more important things to do like searching for a partner and job as well as writing short stories and poems to express my feelings and imaginations. If you want to stay, you need to find a way to regain your contributions. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitehall Street–South Ferry (New York City Subway)

Hi, Please comment on the proposed merger of Whitehall Street (BMT Broadway Line) and South Ferry (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) and subsequent split to South Ferry Loops (New York City Subway) at Talk:Whitehall Street–South Ferry (New York City Subway). I'd appreciate your input. Acps110 (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 02:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)