User talk:Kudpung/Archive Jul 2015

Vandalism claiming to have hacked an article

Hello. I noticed that you blocked Vitalyzdtv2. So would you mind also blocking 80.72.151.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) who is also very much involved in it? Thomas.W ^talk 12:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Materialscientist blocked them. Thomas.W ^talk 12:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Recruiting members

You may have missed my response in the ever growing thread on my talk page. I have a Watchlist notice request on the talk page asking to put a notice up as a recruitment banner. Nothing has happened yet, but the RfC idea and the watchlist notice idea that you suggested is something I'm willing to take up. Not sure how the RfC would be structured as this would be more to recruit members into xTools. But I welcome your assistance.—^cyberpower_{Chat:Limited Access} 02:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

• I'm truly sorry C678, to be having to go neutral on your RfA (I might even be moving to 'oppose'). Please don't take this too personally because I do appreciate everything you do but clearly pragmatism and understanding priorities are not among your strongest qualities. If I had seen this coming I would have said 'wait!', and the irony is that I might well have been the one to nominate you if you had. Now we will lose another week of your programming skills while you pace up and down the room day and night while your RfA is running (been there, done that). I expect you'll get the bit, but I'm no longer holding my breath for some urgently needed tools and a stable environment to host them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

  This has nothing to do with my RfA and I will be focusing on xTools during RfA. I'm surprisingly calm at the moment, continuing to work on xTools as we speak. But I take no offense from your opinion and understand your reasoning. But back to the recruitment idea... :-)—^cyberpower_{Chat:Limited Access} 02:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kudpung. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Well, C678, I don't see a watchlist advert anywhere yet, and I don't even know how to make one because I never needed one yet. An RfC at this stage would only be able to get a confirming consensus that these tools are all needed and that the issue must be addressed urgently; it might get some people volunteering but the last thing we need is ones like T13 or others who come alog with even better idears of reinventing the wheel. At the limit, it may even request the Foundation to take them over but that is a situation none of us really want because the Foundation devs, and I know most of them personally, are the most obdurate bunch of people I ever came across. They are not interested in Wkipedia, they are only interested in sitting in their cubicles all day staring at lines of code, thinking what good geeks they are, and taking home a nice fat steady salay paid by the donors, and getting free trips to Wikimania. The down side is that motivating 2 million volunteers is like herding cats - they all care about Wikipedia but none of them will accept responsibility if they are not being paid for it. Some do follow the money and you can follow quite easily how their attitudes changed when they swapped their workplace at home for the WMF office in SF. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:49, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you at least provide support for the watchlist notice. The watchlist notice request can be found at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details. You should be able to easily find it. :-)—^cyberpower_{Chat:Limited Access} 02:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

C678, I don't think I can now. Who is actually responsible for accepting or declining watchlist notices on that page? Looks as if you've declined your own reqest. Irt was was wordedall wrong anyway to have any impact. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hey, that watchlist notice pulled in one guy who knows this stuff! Take a look at Wikipedia talk:XTools. Very encouraging. Hope you don't mind my dropping in this time. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058, I was never able to find or see that watchlist notice. If it workd, well done! Unfortunately the actual work to be done is being discussed on so many different venues now. including the mailing list, that I just can't keeo up with it. What I do regret and what is holding up a lot of work is that the page history tool has now been down for at least 30 days and that is inadmissible. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

The notice is still up on my Special:Watchlist (at the top of the page, just below the Wicnic invitation):

• Join and add your city to the Great American Wiknic meetup events in July and August 2015!

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• xTools is in dire need of more maintainers. If you have strong PHP experience and/or experience setting up Linux servers, please make yourself known at Wikipedia talk:XTools or email mail:xtools.

Maybe it's only being shown to American IPs? See MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details for who to thank for putting up the notice. Now I see from MediaWiki:Watchlist-details that the implementation, which expires 7 July 2015, is separate from the Wiknic notice (the latter maybe originates in San Francisco. Something for us to do while they party in Mexico, I guess). Any admin can edit the notice.

So, just to be clear, this is the piece which is your top priority?

• Page History (Source) – Get various statistics and author list of a page.

The page loads, but when I try to look up anything, I always get "No revisions found". Is that what you're seeing too? Wbm1058 (talk) 11:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 137#Impending bot armageddon, any bot or tool which makes "&continue" requests is now broken. Pulling up the history ("revisions") of a page requires these "&continue" requests, which can be fixed by changing the request to &rawcontinue. That is my first guess as to why "No revisions found". Wbm1058 (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058, When I click the 'Revision history statistics' link on the page history page, I get a thing that is not remotely conect with what we used to get. I'm still at loss to understand why we can't get this tool back, or simply port the German one to en.Wiki.That's somthing the devs will have to work out - it's no good discussing code with me - I'm a pre-computer generation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

So there are at least 3 versions of this, and while you would be happy to see any of them running, the version I've been working on is your least favorite. I'd think that fixing that would be easier than porting the German version, but who knows. This third version, which I assume used to run on the German tool server, did it ever get ported over to labs? Can you link to it or where its source code might be? Or is it lost? Give me the link to the German version too.

You're not old enough to be entirely pre-computer generation; while your father was working on radar, Alan Turing was developing the foundations of modern computing. Myself, I learned BASIC at about the same time that Bill Gates did. The same way: by feeding punched paper tape into a Teletype connected by phone modem to a GE time-sharing system. Now, if only I'd been a fellow student at Lakeside School... it would have been great to have known him back then. You're spot-on about developers preferring greenfield development versus bug-fixing. I made a career out of cleaning up others' code and making it bullet proof. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, Wbm1058, that's the problem - all you young lads under 50 can't get their heads round a world without computers and mobile phones. Where I grew up we didn't even have dial phones, when you used a call box there was a girl who asked you what number you wanted then she told you how many pennies to put in it. When we sent mail, it was stuff typed on paper, put in an envelope, a stamp stuck on it, and put in a letter box. I had even left the UK before colour TV arrived there. I don't even understand the greenfields analogy but while I think it's probably best to write a new programme from the ground up rather than spend hours fixing some buggy stuff, I think it's even better to take somebody else's free offer of an up-to-date script and use it. At the end of the day it's all about organisational efficiency. Unfortunately, people working in volunteer environents all believe that their ideas are the best and that time is an endless comodity. They come and go - and usually they go before they've finished what they started. Been there, done that, all over Cambodia and Laos trying to piece together what enthusiastic Piece Corps people made a mess off. Did I say piece corps? Yes, I believe I did. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not under 50, but I'm still under 60... barely. There was a black&white TV in my house growing up; I had to visit a friend's house to see color. When our TV broke (probably vacuum tube(s) burned out), my parents delayed repairing or replacing it for some time because they thought their children were watching too much. I still don't have a smartphone, though I did upgrade my clamshell to a Blackberry-type phone so I could text-message easier. Though I probaly don't text 10% as often as the typical kid does. I don't get why anyone would want to read an encyclopedia on a tiny screen that fit in the palm of one's hand, much less edit on such a device. I was always glad to upgrade to a larger, higher resolution screen. Properly designing and developing complicated robust systems from the ground up is not easy and takes a lot of time. A lot of programmers don't want to take the time to understand and fix other's work, so they start developing a quick prototype from scratch. If several do it, before long you have several "pieces" and none of them work well. I agree that porting a working system is preferable to developing from scratch; my concern is that it may not be as easy to port as you think. But certainly worth a look. So I'm looking now. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2010-09-20/Dispatches § Wikihistory. de:Benutzer:APPER/WikiHistory. Is this the system you like and want to port to English Wikipedia? Now that I see this, I'm thinking it will be easier to port. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, APPER's app is the one. It also has a nice clean skin -better than those clunky things our en.Wiki people come upwith. But of course after living in Germany for 18 yeers I'm obviously biased - probably because tey design a lot of excellent no nonsense stuff that works well. Are you not on Cyber's mailing list? Get yourself on it if you're not. You'll soon see what a chaos it is. I've been a teacher and a lecturer all my life. I love kids, but there comes a moment sometimes when serious work is best left to adults (or at least the organisation and work flow). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:47, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Have you tried downloading and using the desktop version? Looks like that runs English out-of-the-box.

But I guess you're talking about porting this website?

I've been lurking on that mailing list. I prefer discussions online at Wikipedia talk:XTools (where a certain developer can't butt in with their 2¢) Wbm1058 (talk) 15:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058. According to APPER, it doesn't work so well on Mac as a local app. Anyway, where the WMF has a surplus of $34 mio funds, I don't see why I should be using my own computing power to do their job for them. You are aware, I suppose, that after wresting the tools from the Germans under the premise of being better funded, better equipped, and better staffed,, that not only have they not fulfilled their promise, but the tools, and there are quite a lot of them that we depend on, have never functioned so badly. In a normal run of things, such essential software add-ons shouldn't need to be developed and maintained by volunteers at all. The irony is , however, that if you have ever been in a room with a coven of WMF devs togeher, you'll realise that the organisational climate ain't much better than on Cyber's mailing list. Cyber is directly at fault for having been over enthusiastic and bitten of more than he could chew and surrounding himself (at the time) with people who didn't stay the course, but the WMF is the reason why the dozens of other trools are slow to load or don't load at all before the connection times out. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

But https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikihistory/ is on tools.wmflabs.org and is running well? I was concerned that it was still running on some German-based platform. If the German wikihistory is already running well on the WMF's platform, then that gives me optimism about porting. We just need to worry about porting to a different wiki, not to a different platform. Wbm1058 (talk) 16:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Isn't that precisely what ABBS is telling us? If I recall correctly, his German page says just that and all Cyber needs to do is port to en.Wiki. As far as I know, the German involvement in the hosting of the tools ended completely when the Foundation went for grabs. Anyway, it's not just the page history tool - every tool that Cyber took on the responsibility of migrating from the ToolServer to Labs is a mess. We were without the editcounter for months because he was spending too much time trying to design a new skin for it which was absolutely not necessary, and doesn't look very nice now either and can't be used the way the old one was for its most important role at RfA. This is typical of what happens when software is designed by people who aren't actually going to use it themelves. They are more interested in the adrenaline flash they get from writing lines of code than listening to what the users need. Always. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikihistory

Now I take note of User talk:Cyberpower678 § Page histories: Hi. WikiHistory contains of two parts. One is the web page as can be seen at [1]. This is relatively easy to translate and adapt for english wikipedia. I already started translation but had a lack of time to continue this process. The other thing is the calculation of the text share for the different authors. This is relatively time consuming and it would need some more parallel instances calculating these on tool labs. It uses the program described at de:Benutzer:APPER/WikiHistory/Programm (german). Additionally I wrote an article about the general problems of calculating text shares (de:Benutzer:APPER/WikiHistory/Autorenbestimmung, german). So at the moment only my time is the limiting factor. If there are english speaking programmers, who want to support this, I could add them as maintainers to the wikihistory project on tool labs. --APPER (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I see that part one is just setting up the webpage source. I think maybe I can get that just by clicking "More tools" → "View source" in my Chrome browser. Looking at that, I see that it runs wh.php and also authors_start.php and load_history.php – We will need to have the source code for these PHP scripts.

The second piece he gives us is Wikihistory.exe – this is a compiled program, not source code, and it seems to be written / compiled for Windows, so I imagine you may have trouble running in on an Apple Mac. I can successfully run this piece on my computer to get data on an English Wikipedia page.

"The calculation of the text share for the different authors, that is relatively time consuming and needs some more parallel instances calculating these on tool labs" is what I think is the hardest piece of this. I think this is what the PHP code I just mentioned probably does, and that may or may not need to be tweaked for English. Or what he means is that more infrastructure ("parallel instances") will need to be added to handle the new additional load coming from the English users (if that's not done the system could slow down too much from the new load–I think this is what Cyber's team is weakest at handling). Cyber was wanting to port a copy of this to his xTools platform, but it may be easier to just keep it on the Wikihistory platform rather than fork it, and update the Wikihistory platform to do English. Maybe I should ask to be added as a maintainer to the wikihistory project on tool labs. Cyber didn't want to do that as his plate is already too full. And maybe, if adding capacity is too time consuming, APPER can give me guidance on how to learn how to do that myself. Wbm1058 (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058, this is all good stuff but it's not me you should be telling, it's all above my head. It's either Cyberpower678 directly or his development mailing list, or TParis who seems to have a level head and a good grip on things (he's apparently retired from Wikipedia where he is an admin, but he's still working on the Tools project).

What I'm interested in is simply motivating getting working, permanent solutions of all the tools, with clean GUIs, all up and running properly asap; not letting the deficiencies of the WMF's server or their techies being used as an excuse but nevertheless getting the WMF to pull their fingers out and fulfil what they promised when they took the hosting of tools off the Germans a long time ago already. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Plea

Dear Kudpung,

Thank you for your kind support in protecting the articles about Antonia Gerena Rivera and Lucy Hannah. I am writing to you with a plea. The user, who nominated, among others, both these articles for deletion now vandalizes the Lucy Hannah article by deleting cited information from it. His actions are presumably oriented on making the article weaker hence the next nomination for deletion may go through. This user, namely CommanderLinx, is evidently negatively biased towards articles on longevity as he constantly deletes sourced material from them and hence provokes edit wars, in which he takes active part afterwards. Such action is undesirable for the knowledge in this field and English Wikipedia in general.

Here is the unfortunate edit done by this user: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Lucy_Hannah&diff=669417605&oldid=669293003

To explain, Mrs. Lucy Hannah is the oldest African-American person ever, whose age has been positively verified by the Gerontology Research Group, an organization, which is the leading authority in extreme longevity tracking worldwide and cooperates with Guinness World Records in this field. User CommanderLinx deletes this information, though there is a reliable source, which serves here as a proof:

http://www.grg.org/Adams/B.HTM

Rather than let third-party sources determine what is reliable, CommanderLinx has taken it upon himself to determine what is reliable or not. Anyway, his actions are violation of Wiki policy per ORIGINAL RESEARCH AND WIKI:OWN.

The article has been blocked by an admin right now. I am asking, whether you could revert CommanderLinx's edit and bring the sourced information back into the article. Thanks, sincerely, Waenceslaus (talk) 11:58, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Waenceslaus, I have left a message on CommanderLinx's talk page. You are both relatively new on Wikipedia so I'll draw your attention to two noticeboards: WP:DRN (for reporting content disputes) and WP:ANI (for reporting behavioural issues). After you have examined these two venues I'll leave you to decide which one to go to if resonable dialogue on the article's talk page and/or the editor's talk page fail to conclude to everyone's satisfaction. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Motion passed in AE arbitration case granting amnesty and rescinding previous temporary injunction

This message is sent at 12:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC) by Arbitration Clerk User:Penwhale via MassMessage on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. You are receiving this message because your name appears on this list and have not elected to opt-out of being notified of development in the arbitration case.

On 5 July, 2015, the following motion was passed and enacted:

1. Paragraphs (2) and (3) of the Arbitration Committee's motion of 29 June 2015 about the injunction and reporting breaches of it are hereby rescinded.
2. The Arbitration Committee hereby declares an amnesty covering:
   1. the original comment made by Eric Corbett on 25 June 2015 and any subsequent related comments made by him up until the enactment of this current motion; and
   2. the subsequent actions related to that comment taken by Black Kite, GorillaWarfare, Reaper Eternal, Kevin Gorman, GregJackP and RGloucester before this case was opened on 29 June 2015.

About that 6 Month Block you recommended

I've already gotten a warning on my talk page. I've learned my lesson. But why do you want me blocked for 6 months? --LooneyTunerIan (talk) 00:56, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

LooneyTunerIan, how do we know you've learned your lesson? See my comment on the ANI thread. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Loic Bruni

Hello, at the moment that you sent me the message and proposed my article for deletion I was still working on the article and therefore had not put the references in yet. The article now has a reference. Next time please patient as the article had only existed for a few seconds.

Thank you Downhillbro (talk) 13:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. The PROD notice dd exactly what it was intended to do - and it was several minutes not seconds. Wikpedia has a very strict policy about requiring sources for articles about living persons. Next time, you may wish to consider preparing the article in your user space and moving it to main space when it is ready. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Rollback Rights

I had requested permission when I had exactly 199 edits. I now have over 500 edits. May I please be given the privileges?

• (talk page stalker) My take is that if you don't know how to sign, you probably shouldn't be using rollback. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

- and that is precisely the answer I was about to make when I got caught up in a more important discussion below! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Request an RfA nomination

Could you take a look at the latest addition and their talk page? Would like your opinion and/or participation. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

• The page itself really needs a rough guideline on who should or shouldn't add themselves. You would think WP:COMMONSENSE would be sufficient. I'm curious as to how someone learns to wikilawyer in just 153 edits.... Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Dennis, it's obviously totally inappropriate that a very young person with so few edits should be offering to nominate admins. We are hampered however by those anachronistic clichés such as WP being the 'encyclopedia anyone can edit'. The hard nosed right wingers would contend that that slogan extends automatically to meta areas. I don't, as is evident from my recent comments that I don't believe that IP users have any business commenting on RfA, for example, and my WP:ACTRIAL campaign a few years ago. I think a friendly word of the kind I use to wannabe NPPers who only have a couple of hundred edits might do the job. Skill is needed in addressing people of that age group though. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I did leave a message, and it was replied to. And I never had children, and subscribe to W.C. Fields philosophy regarding them. ;) Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They replied at first with Wikilawyering - but then they removed their name from the board. So I guess your message had the intended effect. --MelanieN (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, others jumped in, so I think the net effect was much more than anything I did, but removal was best. It can cause problems with a clueless candidate having a more clueless nom. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

You certainly have to wonder about the judgment of a candidate who would ask someone with 300 edits to be their nominator. Worse than a self nom.--MelanieN (talk) 23:17, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) FWIW, I think only Admins should list themselves on that page. Maybe long-term non-Admin editors in the Top 100 or something. But is being nominated by anyone who's not an Admin or an "old timer" going to do anyone any good in an RfA?!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

If someone can write a persuasive, informative nomination statement that helps explain the qualifications of the candidate, I don't think the commenters will discount the nomination on the basis that the nominator is not in the top 100 editors. isaacl (talk) 23:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that people there should be editors who are probably eligible for adminship in a rough way themselves, ie: 5000 edits, here 3 years, etc. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

If it were really deemed necessary to say something to discourage inexperienced editors from adding themselves to the list (and to be honest, I'm not really sure the list is a good idea in the first place), my suggestion would be to base it on the actual requirements for the job: ask if they are willing to invest time to investigate the candidate's previous edits over some period of time, with some spot checks, analyze the interactions with other editors, summarize the instances where the candidate had to demonstrate judgment in interpreting policies (e.g. in discussions for deleting articles, requested moves, mediating content disputes), and so forth. Then point to some well-thought out, detailed nominations as examples. This should help filter out those who don't have enough experience to do a good vetting job. isaacl (talk) 00:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipdia is rife with very young admin wannabes wasting our time in meta areas. They've been the bane of my 5-year crusade at NPP and a while back I did a 2-year stint at PERM just to confirm my suspicions. Yes, I firmly believe that only admins or editors with admin-level of experience and integrity should be offering their servics on that page. The page has been going for quite a while now and perhaps it's time to examinine it's worth. It was a great initiative when Worm launched it but it may not have been as successful as he thought it might be. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Do we have any evidence that anyone actually uses that (rather obscure) page to try to find a nominator? Until this discussion, the page was getting fewer than ten views a day on average. I can't recall any recent RfA where the nominator seemed incompetent or sounded like they had been picked off this page. The recent, unqualified volunteer took the hint and moved on; maybe that's a good enough solution for the rare occasions when this comes up. --MelanieN (talk) 08:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually there are 227 pages that link to it, including all the major RfA/Adminship pages - I made sure they did at the time. I've had about 20 requests coming from that page but none of them were really candidate material. The nominations I made this year I found myself and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the pillory.

Don't underestimate 10 visits a day - that's 3,650 visits a year from potential admins. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

MelanieN, I get a couple of requests for nomination each month, and that's the only place I publicise that I'm willing to nominate. Worm^TT(talk) 09:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm still of the opinion that having less... useful... people on the list is a good thing. If the candidate cannot show good enough judgement to choose a decent nominator, then they shouldn't be an admin. Worm^TT(talk) 09:05, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Article Clément Duhour

Bonjour, Kudpung, j'ai vu que l'article Clément Duhour (en) était vide avec une recommandation de traduire l'article en français. J'aurais bien voulu, mais je ne suis pas à l'aise du tout dans la langue de Shakespeare... Pourrais traduire l'article, s'il te plaît? J'espère que c'est possible... Merci!!! :)

Références: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%C3%A9ment_Duhour

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Cl%C3%A9ment_Duhour (article vide)

Cinochat (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Salut Cinochat. Normalement, je devrais le faire. Cependant cela a été créé par cet utilisateur qui apparément n'a rien de mieux à faire que de créer des tels très courtes ébauchés en masse. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Unfortunately this article makes no claims of significance or importance, and none that can be substantiated per WP:GNG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Request for userfication

Would you mind restoring Danny Winchell to my user space to get it in better shape please? The Dissident Aggressor 14:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done. You can find it at Draft:Danny Winchell. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Gracias. The Dissident Aggressor 14:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Your comment regarding Cyberpower's RFA

I figured I'd bring the conversation to your talk page, as it's a bit tangential now, and I don't want to hijack Cyber's talk page. I'm a bit confused by your last comment. If the reason you switched from neutral to oppose was because you think Cyber lacks the capacity to be an admin, I don't understand the willingness to co-nom in the future, and I'd be interested to hear your rationale (if not now, then at least at a future RFA for Cyber if there is one), as it could have a bearing on my position in a future RFA. Your opinions at RFAs are typically well thought out (even if I do not always agree with them), and if you have substantive concerns about Cyber's qualifications, I would be interested to hear what those concerns are. Inks.LWC (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

See this, it explains everything. And see the important long thread above at #Recruiting members. I'm actually on the development team as observer and mentor to all. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

OK; I understand now. Thank you for the explanation. Inks.LWC (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to be WLE Thailand 2015 jury

Hi Kudpung, I sent you an email on 7 July 2015 at 16:39 with the subject "การประกวดภาพถ่ายนานาชาติ WLE". The content of the email is in English containing URL/username/password to access the WLE jury tool. Please kindly let me know if you accept the invitation to be a jury or you have any issues with the tool. --Taweetham (talk) 11:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

For some reason I didn't get the mail - please send again. But of course I accept :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I just send it again now. "Fwd: การประกวดภาพถ่ายนานาชาติ WLE" 11 July 2015 at 18:50 --Taweetham (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not getting it.Perhaps you are sending it to an old email address I don't use. Please send it through Wikipedia mail and you'll get my new address or send a text to my phone with your email address. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I just resend it via Wikipedia mail. --Taweetham (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Please let me know if you have any issues with the tool. We wish to have the first-round completed in one week. As you get the access to the jury tool on the 11th, may I ask that you finish the first-round selection by the 18th? Thanks so much. --Taweetham (talk) 01:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your selection using the jury tool. We will proceed to the second round soon. The new set of instruction for the second round will be sent to you via Wikipedia email. --Taweetham (talk) 17:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

We have commenced the final round. An email has been sent to you. --Taweetham (talk) 19:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Golden Bee Transport and Logistics Corp. Speedy Deletion Appeal

Golden Bee is edited by Master Editor II of Wikipedia (Northamerica1000)

The page has citations and references, it does not violate any rules of Wikipedia, it doesn't promote whatsoever related products.

Please read my appeal. Thank you.

Mark Jhomel (talk) 13:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Im so sorry sir for deleting the A7. I hope that you will give me reconsideration. You may want to watch this talk article sir. Thank you..

Mark Jhomel (talk) 14:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Question

Hello Kudpung! At your User:Kudpung/RfA criteria page, one of the criteria is "No unnecessary 'clerking' of admin areas." I was wondering if you could expand your thoughts on that, especially in regards to what you might consider "necessary" vs. "unnecessary clerking". Thanks in advance! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:25, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi IJBall, and thank yoiu for reading my page. It was written long before most of the current voters at RfA even signed up for a Wikipedia account. It means what it says. It relates especially to the non admin comments at PERM where for a couple of years I practically ran the place single handed. Unnecessary clerking is a clear sign of trying to get noticed or being too eager to do meta stuff that is strictly the domain of admins. This also translates to other noticeboards such as for example, ANI where most of the experienced admins have given up because there is so much background noise from the admin wannabes and peanut gallery that we sometimes don't get a word in edgeways before some non admin claps a archive shell round the whole thing. Non admin comments and closures are allowed, but this is interpreted far too loosely and at the end of the day, many admins regard such actions as a pesky nuisance. NAC at AfD on the other hand, is fine as long as they get it right and it doesn't look as if they are doing it to make a good impression for a future run at RfA. All that is needed for RfA is a measurable number of votes that show the candidate is applying policy rather than gut feeling.You may also find another essay of mine interesting: WP:Advice for RfA voters. -Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Kudpung, thank you for the response! I appreciate it. FWIW, I didn't even know there were non-Admins who hung around WP:PERM – I can't say I've ever seen that (not that I hang around there often...). And thanks for the link to WP:Advice for RfA voters – that's one I actually hadn't seen before. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

IJBall, I send that advice page systematically to all RfA voters who make dubious votes or questions of any kind and have less than 1,000 edits and it's their first vote on RfA. The language is targeted at a 10 - 16 age group because tey are generally the culprits. For anyone much older, I generally send the WP:AAAD essay. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:37, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Devilment

Why does the album page not fall into what you think is needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by K1llerFALLOUT (talk • contribs) 17:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Please provide me with a proper link and I'll try to understand what you are talking about. PLease sign yur posts. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Query

Hi there.

A band which I represent recently joined Wikipedia, and created a page with information about their band.

This information was not for advertising purposes or vanity reasons. Is there a way you can advise me on how to keep the page without it being deleted?

The page they created, is 'Allen & Envy'. We currently have 57,000 fans on Facebook, with 2,500 new fans yesterday alone. Last week, one of of posts on Facebook reached 40,000 fans. https://www.facebook.com/allenandenvy

Please advise further - I am happy to listen to your instructions.

Thank you.

Richard Power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickpower83 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Richard. There are a couple of important things to bear in mind: nobody who is conected with them should be creating or editing an article about them (see WP:Conflict of Interest) - if they are truly notable then some unconnected third party will do it. That said, articles are accepted on Wikipedia based on notabiity, which for bands is basically described at WP:BAND, but that alone is not enough however, notability must be asserted by referencing very reliable independent third party sources (W:RS) such as NME, Billboard, and national newspapers, but such information is not provided by any social networking sites such as FaceBook or sites such as YouTube or Itunes. The tone if the article really was promotional and also consisted mainly of rather a lot of name-dropping: see WP:Notability is not inherited. . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.104.73.216 (talk) 13:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree w/ you

User talk:cyberpower678#xtools its incredible that revision history statistics is still not up (and it is important to me for Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa ) thank you for your comments yesterday, --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

articleinfo

Hey Kudpung, I thought I would let you know that I believe I have found the bug. As for fixing it, I'm not sure yet. But finding the bug I believe is/was the biggest problem. Anyways I've tremendous headway today, and finally get a copy of it running on my computer.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 04:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear Cyber. Let me know when all the tools are running on Labs correctly, because I don't belive we should be hosting them locally on our own computers when the WNF has an 8-figure $urplus of funds. When you've done all that, I suppose you are a wizzkid with regex, so I've got a quick, dirty job for you that will help us get more admin candidates. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Please check the xTools mailing list. WikiHistory has been successfully ported to xTools. Please test it to make sure it works before I redirect articleinfo to wikihistory.

Cyber, It works, but unfortunately only in article space. It would be good if it is working across all namespaces tomorrow because a major policy proposal has been waiting for a month on this now. Thanks. (please remember to sign your posts). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll look into tonight.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 20:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Nonato Luiz

Hello Kudpung, recently the brazilian Guitar player Nonato Luiz page was deleted. But the page is a huge source os information. Can you restore the page, so I can fix whatever is wrong with it. I saw in the discussion that other users have the opinion that Nonato is a very relevant page. The artist have a wide international career and several disc release. Thank you for your time. Laioviana (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. It was deleted per a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nonato Luiz. This was its fourth deletion. If you feel that you have new infomation that asserts the notability of the subject and it can be supported by reliable sources, you may be able to convince the editors at WP:DRVPURPOSE to consider restoring the article per #3 Deletion review. However, the article would have to be completely re-written in your own words otherwise it will just be deleted again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

My RfA

Pavlov's RfA reward Thank for !voting at my recent RfA. You voted Support so you get a whopping three cookies, fresh from the oven! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 16 July 2015 (UTC).

Community desysoping rfc

Pls ping me when the Community desysoping rfc officially starts. Tks. • Lingzhi♦(talk) 12:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Lingzhi, according to canvassing policy, you will be pinged if at some time you have already taken part in a similar discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe 4 years ago... no wait... uh... anyhow. [BTW, I used to be Ling.Nut]. Good luck in all things... • Lingzhi♦(talk) 14:17, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

LingzhiYes, I know that. Nearly five actually. I supported your RfA. Could neve figure out why you didn't try again.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I have no need for the tools. In a few weeks (need to brush up on the syntax) I plan to request to be a Template editor, and after that, I have no need for more tools (as far as I know). • Lingzhi♦(talk) 23:09, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Lingzhi, Let me know here directly when you want the Template editor tools. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:34, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Tks! I need to get some practice first, but will get back to you. Good luck with all things. • Lingzhi♦(talk) 23:48, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Community desysoping RfC

Hi. You are invited to comment at RfC for BARC - a community desysoping process. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the friendly notice. - jc37 13:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

RfA Clerks

Hello Kudpung,

What ever happened to the RfA clerks proposal? --ceradon (talk • contribs) 07:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ceradon, it was never launched as an RfC. if you remember, due to persistent trolling and harassment from the anti-admin brigade, after all the hard work we put into WP:RFA2011 we finally gave up. Ironically they were killing the very goose that was laying their egg for them. That's just how short sighted some of the self-professed 'major content providers' are. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• The proposal was developed to completion but it was never pitched to the community. If I remember correctly, it was developed after much said trolling and harassment as a solution so reasonable, moderate and benign that no one could object to it as anything but a positive addition to the existing process. But sure enough, people proceeded to shut the idea down without even reading it. I didn't feel any RfA reform proposal could be achieved without WMF backing, if not outright implementation, and while our project did achieve recognition and modest support from the Foundation, it was made clear that they would not assist in implementing any proposals in any way...even something as simple and beneficial as clerking. We lost any hope in the willingness of the community to introduce any changes even for a trial period. Swarm ^{we ♥ our hive} 08:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  Then I think it's about time to pitch the proposal once again, as I supported the idea back then.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 13:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  Any chance of reviving this proposal? You have my full support.—^cyberpower_{Chat:Limited Access} 15:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Myah Marie

hi, you recently deleted the musician page "Myah Marie" and I'm wondering why?

A Call to Action

Hi, I am wondering if you could send me the deletion decision on A Call to ACTion. I had nothing to do with that page, but am an interested party as I had a different page on the same subject deleted some months ago and I am hoping to try again so I would like to see if the grounds for deletion were different. Any advice would be appreciated. I am not an experienced editor and nor, I think, was the editor of the later page, but this is an organization that has again been much in the news with its own survey for forthcoming second part of the Vatican Synod on the Family recently reported on the BBC, Guardian Comment Online article, the Tablet, Catholic Herald and others, and in my view it does come within the criteria for notability. However, I am not arguing with your decision to delete, but I would be interested to know the grounds as I hoping to try again for the third time. Best wishes 109.153.243.76 (talk) 18:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC) 109.153.243.76 (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

my idea for community desysop

Hey. I put my own desysop idea on the talk page of the current proposal. Yes, I know it's the wrong place, but I can't be bothered with all the administrative stuff. I wouldn't even join the discussion much if it did start a discussion... And yes, I know some wild-eyed wikilawyer would call this msg canvassing, but (see above). That's all. • Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 03:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind

Hi Kudpung, it's been a while since we talked, how are you? I added a short story on my user page in which you're mentioned multiple times, hope you don't mind! Cheers, Jim Carter 18:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)